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Ben Myers typed on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:37:57 -0400: Boris wrote: Hi, Yes, set it up just like you described. No luck. F12 gets me nothing. F8 gets me the Troubleshooting and Advanced Startup screen with Start Up options, as it should, such as Safe Mode, Enable Boot Logging, Debugging Mode, etc. F10 is weird. It gets me the BIOS screen, with the a message as if I've just made changes to the BIOS settings, "Do you want to save changes and exit?" F1 gets me the BIOS setup screen, as it should. By the way, when the machine boots up, it never shows "Hit F8 for Boot Options", or "Hit F1 for Setup" in the upper right hand corner, even if I have it set to go through the long POST, where it shows everything it finds as it boots up. The long boot does show that it found the CD-ROM when set to boot from CD-ROM. I think the book is closed on trying to get this to boot from CD-ROM. Maybe the CD-ROM drive is bad? The Intel D850 motherboards are new enough that they should allow booting from CD-ROM. Most any P4 system can, and even some P3 systems... Ben Did you try pressing the ESC key as soon as the screen lites up? As on my Gateways and Asus netbooks, this pops up the BIOS boot menu. And it shows all devices that the BIOS can see and allows which one you want to boot from. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2 |
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: Boris wrote: Ben Myers wrote in : Boris wrote: Ben Myers wrote in : Boris wrote: Justin Thompson wrote in : On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:06:08 +0000 (UTC), Boris wrote: I've got P4, E4600, 1.6MHz desktop. The BIOS is version GB85010A.15A.0044.P12. I'm looking for an update, but all I can find is the P13 version here. http://support.gateway.com/support/d...e.asp?id=16167 &dscr=Pentium%204%20BIOS%20update%20GB85010A%20P13 &uid=223985369 Anyone know where I can find the P12 version? Thanks. Silly question - im sure - but you say you looking for an update - you have found an update... but then say you dont want it??? im confused I cant see any release notes from the link - so not sure what changed in v13, but in general - you should expect a later version to be better, more stable, recognise more CPUs etc. so why you not want it? Cheers Hi, I'm not aware that the P13 version is an update of the P12. I've always seen updates called out at v.1, v.2, etc. But maybe you're right. I'm not familiar with how Gateway numbers updates. Are you sure? Thanks. With the Intel motherboards used in Gateway systems, Gateway follows the same conventions as Intel does. P13 IS the latest, last and only update for your Intel D850 motherboard. Note also that the BIOS is slightly customized, but only with a Gateway identifier. You CANNOT use a GENERIC BIOS update from the Intel web site for this board... Ben Myers Nice to see you, Ben. I went into the BIOS and read the event log. There was one listing that said CMOS battery failure, but just one. There were a lot keyboard failure listings. I don't know why, because the keyboard always came up fine on the POST screen, and operated properly all the time when in Windows. But, since the CMOS battery was probably the original battery from circa 2001, I replaced it, thinking that that might cure my inability to boot from CD. Nope. Curiosity got to me, and I decided to clear the BIOS. I did, by removing the motherboard BIOS jumper, but still no boot from CD. Finally, I downloaded the BIOS update on the Gateway site. I was running with version P12, and the newest version was P13, dated August 2001. I had to put it on a FAT floppy (not NT), and the instructions said to boot from this floppy. When I tried, I got invalid BOOT diskette, insert proper diskette in A. Oh, no. I used the Win98SE floppy to boot up the machine into DOS, and then removed the Win98SE floppy, and inserted the BIOS 'boot' disk. I logged on to it, and clicked on the autoexec.bat on the floppy. The BIOS update program came up, and I installed the update successfully. When the update was completed, the instructions on screen were to remove the floppy and press enter, and the machine was supposed to reboot. I'm not sure how this was supposed to happen, since the machine was set to boot from floppy, and there would be no floppy in the machine. But I removed the boot floppy, and pressed enter. The screen said no operating system found on C (normally it would say invalid BOOT diskette if there's no floppy in A, and set to boot from floppy). I had to press the power button off, and restart into the BIOS (keeping my fingers crossed the BIOS upgrade worked -- it did report BIOS versin P13), and set to boot from the hard drive. I did, and it booted up just fine. I then restarted and set to boot from CD, but it still wouldn't boot from the XP CD. Oh, well. I tried. I'm calling it quits trying to solve this. It may be a hardware problem that I just can't diagnose, and it's not all the important. The only time I'd need to start from CD is if I was going to do a clean install. Maybe I'll just make an image of the system before I gunk it up too much. Oh, wonder if I have to be able to boot from CD to install an image. By the way, I just installed a Linksys WMP54G wireless adapter card in the machine. I didn't use the Linksys install CD, but instead let Windows install it's native drivers and networking interface. It works just fine, with excellent signal strength. Previously, I had it connected to a D-link wireless router, but sitting right next to the router connected with an ethernet cable. I was going to run ethernet into the garage, which is the final destination for this machine, but I thought I'd try a wireless card. I hope the signal is still good when I move it into the gargage, about 30' away. We'll see. If not, I'll run ethernet. (I don't mind running the cable, I just hate putting the connectors on. My eyes aren't what they used to be g.) Here are the items that the update addressed, per the readme.txt file within the update folder: Reason for Update Option to enable or disable the ISA Enable Bit on PCI bridges. Adds D-stepping core support for latest generation processors. Adds WFM 2.0 Remote Lockout support. Adds support for the Security Freeze Lock command on resume from S3 to IDE devices that support the Security feature set. Adds workaround for Windows 98 SE issue where ATAPI devices are not reprogrammed on resume from Suspend-to-RAM (S3). Implements Force Network Boot feature that allows users to force the computer to start to network by pressing a hot key. Fixes issue where the computer was always reporting 80-conductor IDE cable type (regardless of actual cable type) when certain ATAPI devices were connected as the slave device on an IDE channel. Adds support for PCI IDE Bus Mastering (DMA) for BIOS INT 13h hard disk reads and writes on IDE devices that support IDE Bus Mastering. Adds Mode 5 (UDMA/100) option to the IDE UDMA Mode. Corrects functionality of IDE PIO Mode. Fixes issue where BIOS was incorrectly reporting UDMA modes on IDE devices that do not support UDMA. Sets ISA ENABLE bits on PCI bridges that do not have VGA behind them. Adds support for doing 32-bit IDE PIO mode data transfers inside BIOS INT 13h. Fixes issue where ATAPI Removable Devices that support UDMA modes were not getting programmed for UDMA mode. Updates the display of the processor BIOS update information to account for the new naming convention. Adds the display of UDMA mode for ARMD. Sets Wake on Modem Ring default to Power On. Fixes an issue where the Fault Tolerant Boot Block Test would fail and not be able to boot if ECC was enabled during the test. Fixes the incorrect display of hard disk drive capacity for larger hard disk drives. Boris Did you change the boot order priority in the last screen of the BIOS CMOS setup to boot first from CD, then from floppy, and then from hard disk? If so, the computer should boot from CD. If not, pressing F12 with a modern BIOS gets it to present a choice of boot devices, from which you select one... Ben Myers Hi, Yes, set it up just like you described. No luck. F12 gets me nothing. F8 gets me the Troubleshooting and Advanced Startup screen with Start Up options, as it should, such as Safe Mode, Enable Boot Logging, Debugging Mode, etc. F10 is weird. It gets me the BIOS screen, with the a message as if I've just made changes to the BIOS settings, "Do you want to save changes and exit?" F1 gets me the BIOS setup screen, as it should. By the way, when the machine boots up, it never shows "Hit F8 for Boot Options", or "Hit F1 for Setup" in the upper right hand corner, even if I have it set to go through the long POST, where it shows everything it finds as it boots up. The long boot does show that it found the CD-ROM when set to boot from CD-ROM. I think the book is closed on trying to get this to boot from CD-ROM. Maybe the CD-ROM drive is bad? The Intel D850 motherboards are new enough that they should allow booting from CD-ROM. Most any P4 system can, and even some P3 systems... Ben Hi, One of the first things I did after discovering that I couldn't boot from CD-ROM in this P4 was to install a known good CD-ROM from another my Dim4550, that did boot properly in the Dim4550. But, it wouldn't boot while in the P4. |
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"BillW50" wrote in
: In , Ben Myers typed on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:37:57 -0400: Boris wrote: Hi, Yes, set it up just like you described. No luck. F12 gets me nothing. F8 gets me the Troubleshooting and Advanced Startup screen with Start Up options, as it should, such as Safe Mode, Enable Boot Logging, Debugging Mode, etc. F10 is weird. It gets me the BIOS screen, with the a message as if I've just made changes to the BIOS settings, "Do you want to save changes and exit?" F1 gets me the BIOS setup screen, as it should. By the way, when the machine boots up, it never shows "Hit F8 for Boot Options", or "Hit F1 for Setup" in the upper right hand corner, even if I have it set to go through the long POST, where it shows everything it finds as it boots up. The long boot does show that it found the CD-ROM when set to boot from CD-ROM. I think the book is closed on trying to get this to boot from CD-ROM. Maybe the CD-ROM drive is bad? The Intel D850 motherboards are new enough that they should allow booting from CD-ROM. Most any P4 system can, and even some P3 systems... Ben Did you try pressing the ESC key as soon as the screen lites up? As on my Gateways and Asus netbooks, this pops up the BIOS boot menu. And it shows all devices that the BIOS can see and allows which one you want to boot from. I just tried that. Seems that it ignores the ESC key (probably supposed to), and just boots normally to Windows. |
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Boris typed on Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC): I just tried that. Seems that it ignores the ESC key (probably supposed to), and just boots normally to Windows. Well before you give up, the rest of the function keys that you haven't tried yet. Also worth trying is holding down one of the following: DEL, Insert, Tab, Shift, or CTRL right after the screen lites up are also sometimes used to get to other menus like the BIOS boot menu. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2 |
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Boris typed on Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC): I just tried that. Seems that it ignores the ESC key (probably supposed to), and just boots normally to Windows. Well before you give up, the rest of the function keys that you haven't tried yet. Also worth trying is holding down one of the following: DEL, Insert, Tab, Shift, or CTRL right after the screen lites up are also sometimes used to get to other menus like the BIOS boot menu. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2 |
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september.org: In . 213, Boris typed on Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC): I just tried that. Seems that it ignores the ESC key (probably supposed to), and just boots normally to Windows. Well before you give up, the rest of the function keys that you haven't tried yet. Also worth trying is holding down one of the following: DEL, Insert, Tab, Shift, or CTRL right after the screen lites up are also sometimes used to get to other menus like the BIOS boot menu. I tried them all: F1, BIOS Setup Utility F2, boots to Windows normally F3, boots to Windows normally F4, boots to Windows normally F5, give Windows Advanced Menu Setup (Safe Boot, etc.) F6, boots to Windows normally F7, boots to Windows normally F8, boots to Windows normally F9, boots to Windows normally F10, BIOS Setup Utility F11, boots to Windows normally F12, boots to Windows normally Del, BIOS Setup Utility ESC, boots to Windows normally Del, boots to Windows normally ALT, boots to Windows normally Shift, boots to Windows normally Pause/Break, nothing ever comes up, not even cursor against all black screen, held for a minute, when released, still nothing |
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"BillW50" wrote in - september.org: In . 213, Boris typed on Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC): I just tried that. Seems that it ignores the ESC key (probably supposed to), and just boots normally to Windows. Well before you give up, the rest of the function keys that you haven't tried yet. Also worth trying is holding down one of the following: DEL, Insert, Tab, Shift, or CTRL right after the screen lites up are also sometimes used to get to other menus like the BIOS boot menu. I tried them all: F1, BIOS Setup Utility F2, boots to Windows normally F3, boots to Windows normally F4, boots to Windows normally F5, give Windows Advanced Menu Setup (Safe Boot, etc.) F6, boots to Windows normally F7, boots to Windows normally F8, boots to Windows normally F9, boots to Windows normally F10, BIOS Setup Utility F11, boots to Windows normally F12, boots to Windows normally Del, BIOS Setup Utility ESC, boots to Windows normally Del, boots to Windows normally ALT, boots to Windows normally Shift, boots to Windows normally Pause/Break, nothing ever comes up, not even cursor against all black screen, held for a minute, when released, still nothing This is the way the BIOS setup works on Intel D850-series motherboards (and many other Intel D845 and D865 boards). I worked on a Gateway board like yours some time ago, and I am nearly 100% certain that Gateway did not screw around with the Intel BIOS code. I know of no instance when a Gateway BIOS setup behaved differently from a generic Intel one. Gateway never had the software engineering expertise to modify BIOS code. Okay. So press F1 to enter the BIOS Setup Utility, then use the right arrow key to highlight the Boot menu. When the word Boot is highlighted, press Enter. The Boot submenu will allow you to choose the order in which the BIOS tries to boot from devices. The default is to try to boot from floppy, then CD-ROM, then hard drive, then network adapter. You can find the technical manual for your motherboard on the Intel web site in the category of archived (e.g. older) motherboards. It is worth reading, even if it tells you more than you need to know. In summary, your board is capable of booting from a CD-ROM. You just have not figured out how to get it to happen. Perhaps the above will help... Ben Myers |
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: Boris wrote: "BillW50" wrote in - september.org: In . 213, Boris typed on Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC): I just tried that. Seems that it ignores the ESC key (probably supposed to), and just boots normally to Windows. Well before you give up, the rest of the function keys that you haven't tried yet. Also worth trying is holding down one of the following: DEL, Insert, Tab, Shift, or CTRL right after the screen lites up are also sometimes used to get to other menus like the BIOS boot menu. I tried them all: F1, BIOS Setup Utility F2, boots to Windows normally F3, boots to Windows normally F4, boots to Windows normally F5, give Windows Advanced Menu Setup (Safe Boot, etc.) F6, boots to Windows normally F7, boots to Windows normally F8, boots to Windows normally F9, boots to Windows normally F10, BIOS Setup Utility F11, boots to Windows normally F12, boots to Windows normally Del, BIOS Setup Utility ESC, boots to Windows normally Del, boots to Windows normally ALT, boots to Windows normally Shift, boots to Windows normally Pause/Break, nothing ever comes up, not even cursor against all black screen, held for a minute, when released, still nothing This is the way the BIOS setup works on Intel D850-series motherboards (and many other Intel D845 and D865 boards). I worked on a Gateway board like yours some time ago, and I am nearly 100% certain that Gateway did not screw around with the Intel BIOS code. I know of no instance when a Gateway BIOS setup behaved differently from a generic Intel one. Gateway never had the software engineering expertise to modify BIOS code. Okay. So press F1 to enter the BIOS Setup Utility, then use the right arrow key to highlight the Boot menu. When the word Boot is highlighted, press Enter. The Boot submenu will allow you to choose the order in which the BIOS tries to boot from devices. The default is to try to boot from floppy, then CD-ROM, then hard drive, then network adapter. You can find the technical manual for your motherboard on the Intel web site in the category of archived (e.g. older) motherboards. It is worth reading, even if it tells you more than you need to know. In summary, your board is capable of booting from a CD-ROM. You just have not figured out how to get it to happen. Perhaps the above will help... Ben Myers Hi, Ben, I went he http://www.intel.com/support/motherb.../CS-012681.htm and ran the tool. I got: "No Intel® Desktop Board was detected in this system." The instructions say, "If you get the message that an Intel desktop board was not detected, you likely have an OEM desktop board." I do have the Gateway E4600 System Manual, and it has very little information about the BIOS screens. All it says is to press F1 to enter the BIOS Setup Utility. I've done this many times, and set it as you've suggested, with no luck. I have BIOS version GB85010A.15A.0011P13. I updated from P12 a few days ago.The Gateway System Manual says I have an Intel 850 chipset and an Intel Pentium 4 fc-pga Socket 423 processor with a 400 MHz system. The GB850 motherboards listed by Intel are : D850EMD2 D850EMV2 D850GB D850MD D850MV I checked all the manuals for the above boards, and they all say to press F2 to enter the BIOS Setup Utility. My Gateway System Manual says to press F1. I'm at my wits end with this, because it should be as simple as going into the BIOS Setup Utility, to the BOOT menu, and setting to boot from ATAPI-CD. I've done this with many, many machines, including older Gateways (PII). This should be a no brainer. I do appreciate all the feed back. Boris |
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Ben Myers wrote in : Boris wrote: "BillW50" wrote in - september.org: In . 213, Boris typed on Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC): I just tried that. Seems that it ignores the ESC key (probably supposed to), and just boots normally to Windows. Well before you give up, the rest of the function keys that you haven't tried yet. Also worth trying is holding down one of the following: DEL, Insert, Tab, Shift, or CTRL right after the screen lites up are also sometimes used to get to other menus like the BIOS boot menu. I tried them all: F1, BIOS Setup Utility F2, boots to Windows normally F3, boots to Windows normally F4, boots to Windows normally F5, give Windows Advanced Menu Setup (Safe Boot, etc.) F6, boots to Windows normally F7, boots to Windows normally F8, boots to Windows normally F9, boots to Windows normally F10, BIOS Setup Utility F11, boots to Windows normally F12, boots to Windows normally Del, BIOS Setup Utility ESC, boots to Windows normally Del, boots to Windows normally ALT, boots to Windows normally Shift, boots to Windows normally Pause/Break, nothing ever comes up, not even cursor against all black screen, held for a minute, when released, still nothing This is the way the BIOS setup works on Intel D850-series motherboards (and many other Intel D845 and D865 boards). I worked on a Gateway board like yours some time ago, and I am nearly 100% certain that Gateway did not screw around with the Intel BIOS code. I know of no instance when a Gateway BIOS setup behaved differently from a generic Intel one. Gateway never had the software engineering expertise to modify BIOS code. Okay. So press F1 to enter the BIOS Setup Utility, then use the right arrow key to highlight the Boot menu. When the word Boot is highlighted, press Enter. The Boot submenu will allow you to choose the order in which the BIOS tries to boot from devices. The default is to try to boot from floppy, then CD-ROM, then hard drive, then network adapter. You can find the technical manual for your motherboard on the Intel web site in the category of archived (e.g. older) motherboards. It is worth reading, even if it tells you more than you need to know. In summary, your board is capable of booting from a CD-ROM. You just have not figured out how to get it to happen. Perhaps the above will help... Ben Myers Hi, Ben, I went he http://www.intel.com/support/motherb.../CS-012681.htm and ran the tool. I got: "No Intel® Desktop Board was detected in this system." The instructions say, "If you get the message that an Intel desktop board was not detected, you likely have an OEM desktop board." I do have the Gateway E4600 System Manual, and it has very little information about the BIOS screens. All it says is to press F1 to enter the BIOS Setup Utility. I've done this many times, and set it as you've suggested, with no luck. I have BIOS version GB85010A.15A.0011P13. I updated from P12 a few days ago.The Gateway System Manual says I have an Intel 850 chipset and an Intel Pentium 4 fc-pga Socket 423 processor with a 400 MHz system. The GB850 motherboards listed by Intel are : D850EMD2 D850EMV2 D850GB D850MD D850MV I checked all the manuals for the above boards, and they all say to press F2 to enter the BIOS Setup Utility. My Gateway System Manual says to press F1. I'm at my wits end with this, because it should be as simple as going into the BIOS Setup Utility, to the BOOT menu, and setting to boot from ATAPI-CD. I've done this with many, many machines, including older Gateways (PII). This should be a no brainer. I do appreciate all the feed back. Boris Boris, From the BIOS code, the E4600 board is a D850GB. Last ditch try. Unplug from wall. Remove the CR2032 battery. Let system sit there for a half hour. Put battery back in. You will surely be prompted to enter the BIOS setup because the CMOS settings have become corrupted due to loss of battery power to keep them OK. Even before the last ditch try, power up the system and quickly hold down several keys on the keyboard at once. This should cause a keyboard error with the chance to enter the BIOS CMOS setup... Ben Myers |
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Boris typed on Wed, 7 Oct 2009 04:04:05 +0000 (UTC): "BillW50" wrote in - september.org: In . 213, Boris typed on Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC): I just tried that. Seems that it ignores the ESC key (probably supposed to), and just boots normally to Windows. Well before you give up, the rest of the function keys that you haven't tried yet. Also worth trying is holding down one of the following: DEL, Insert, Tab, Shift, or CTRL right after the screen lites up are also sometimes used to get to other menus like the BIOS boot menu. I tried them all: F1, BIOS Setup Utility F2, boots to Windows normally F3, boots to Windows normally F4, boots to Windows normally F5, give Windows Advanced Menu Setup (Safe Boot, etc.) F6, boots to Windows normally F7, boots to Windows normally F8, boots to Windows normally F9, boots to Windows normally F10, BIOS Setup Utility F11, boots to Windows normally F12, boots to Windows normally Del, BIOS Setup Utility ESC, boots to Windows normally Del, boots to Windows normally ALT, boots to Windows normally Shift, boots to Windows normally Pause/Break, nothing ever comes up, not even cursor against all black screen, held for a minute, when released, still nothing Both F8 or the CTRL key should show the Windows start menu. Holding down the shift key while Windows boots should stop all programs from auto-running. The Pause/Break key should freeze the screen output. And it will set there until another key is pressed. It only works in the BIOS and DOS though, maybe at the Command Prompt too under Windows. The old way to do the very same is CTRL-Q to freeze and CTRL-S to continue. These keys should still work today. Back in the early days, graphic cards were so slow that you could see a list scrolling on the screen. Usually too fast to read, but slow enough that you can pause and continue the list. Not too handy nowadays, as you have to be really quick before the screen starts to scroll off and you missed a lot of what you wanted to read. Although they put a switch later on for most of those commands anyway to help in these cases. Like "dir /p" for example. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Windows XP SP2 |
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