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Corrupt NTFS filesystem
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:57:15 GMT, VWWall
wrote: What is the maximum file size with FAT32? 4GB minus two bytes. Uh oh. -- "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." --Calvin Coolidge |
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Corrupt NTFS filesystem
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:15:28 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: However, even with FAT 32, I still get two device drivers per partition THERE ARE NO SEPARATE DEVICE DRIVERS. Then why am I seeing two entries per partition n NT Defrag and Perfect Disk, but not My computer or Disk Management? in NT Defrag and Perfect Disk. If you load NT Defrag, how many devices do you see per partition? Cant readily try that, I run XP on everything. I meant the degragger for XP. With the Disk Defragmenter in XP I have just one entry per partition. Then there is obviously something really weird going on with my installation, whether the filesystem is NTFS or FAT32. I asked my son to check his XP intallation, but he is too busy making money. I have to catch him sitting in front of his machine. You should chain him to the machine. Then he would not make as much money as he does. He is an independent residential mortgage broker and every time he puts his phone to his ear, he makes money. -- "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." --Calvin Coolidge |
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Corrupt NTFS filesystem
Citizen Bob wrote:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:57:15 GMT, VWWall wrote: What is the maximum file size with FAT32? 4GB minus two bytes. Uh oh. Uh yes--unless you want to argue about one byte! http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463 quote You cannot create a file larger than (2^32)-1 bytes (this is one byte less than 4 GB) on a FAT32 partition. /quote Other Microsoft sources say "4 GB minus 2 bytes". Take your pick! "...Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." Applies particularly to Microsoft articles! :-) -- Virg Wall |
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Citizen Bob wrote
Rod Speed wrote However, even with FAT 32, I still get two device drivers per partition THERE ARE NO SEPARATE DEVICE DRIVERS. Then why am I seeing two entries per partition n NT Defrag and Perfect Disk, but not My computer or Disk Management? They are getting confused by something. It isnt currently clear by what. in NT Defrag and Perfect Disk. If you load NT Defrag, how many devices do you see per partition? Cant readily try that, I run XP on everything. I meant the degragger for XP. With the Disk Defragmenter in XP I have just one entry per partition. Then there is obviously something really weird going on with my installation, whether the filesystem is NTFS or FAT32. Yes, but since you that showed up after the stupid raid system was installed, its almost certainly been done by that. I asked my son to check his XP intallation, but he is too busy making money. I have to catch him sitting in front of his machine. You should chain him to the machine. Then he would not make as much money as he does. True. There are always some downsides. He is an independent residential mortgage broker and every time he puts his phone to his ear, he makes money. Just get him a cordless phone so he can still do that even when chained to the PC. |
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VWWall wrote Citizen Bob wrote wrote FAT32 has some strange issues What is the maximum file size with FAT32? 4GB minus two bytes. FAT32 max partition size is 30G, Nope. XP wont create one bigger than that but it works fine if you use something else to create it. which is its biggest limitation. Nope, the biggest limitation is actually the 4G file size limit. NTFS is a much more secure and reliable fs Thats arguable when NT/2K/XP claims that its unformatted when its still usable in something else like knoppix etc. as well as being more fully featured. Yes, lots more secure and much more flexible with encryption etc. Eg FAT has 2 copies of the FAT, and when an error ocurs, as they do, scandisk just picks one at random and overwrites the other. It isnt done at random. 50% of the time tis works... and 50% of the time you lose data. Its much more complicated than that. NTFS has 3 copies, so this problem doesnt happen. Nice theory. Pity about the reality that NT/2K/XP can just decide that the partition is unformatted when other stuff can read it fine. FAT has no password security system, ntfs does, so fat is 100% accessible to viri and any user. Maybe you dont need the features of ntfs and fat32's limitations arent a problem. FAT32 does give more OS options than ntfs, handy if dual booting, running dos apps, or swapping discs with winDOS systems. And much more viable if you want to be able to write to that partition from both Win and Linux etc. |
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Corrupt NTFS filesystem
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:47:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: They are getting confused by something. It isnt currently clear by what. If I change the drive letter, it takes effect immediately for one of the device drivers (the one with the label) but not the other. I have to reboot to get it to take effect on the other one. There is something going on with what Windows calls a "generic device". I see it in the Install/Remove Hardware utility. Sometimes when I add a partition in Disk Management, it attempts to assign the next drive letter in the alphabetic sequence, but can't because "that letter is already in use" or somesuch. But there is no such device to be found. If I then remove the generic device with the Add/Remove Hardware, it frees up the hidden letter and I can use it. Also, in the Registry there is key that shows Mounted Devices. It has an entry for the hidden drive letter that can't be used. If I clear out that key, it becomes available. Yes, but since you that showed up after the stupid raid system was installed, its almost certainly been done by that. When I built this machine and did an IPU to install Win2K, I ran it very briefly without that RAID contraption. But I did not use the defragger so I do not know if there were two device drivers per partition. I then installed the RAID unit and kept it for about 6 months. The corrupt NTFS partition problem showed up immediately. I contacted the Product Line Manager in Taiwan and she was eager to work with me to find the source of the problem. But after a short period she turned cold - I suspect she discovered that there was something radically wrong with her product. I contacted my vendor and he contacted the US importer and they decided that the product was not functioning properly, so I was given a full cash refund. That's when I began making clones for backup. He is an independent residential mortgage broker and every time he puts his phone to his ear, he makes money. Just get him a cordless phone so he can still do that even when chained to the PC. He has a cordless phone, and it is constantly in use. -- "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." --Calvin Coolidge |
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Corrupt NTFS filesystem
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:05:05 GMT, VWWall
wrote: 4GB minus two bytes. Uh oh. Uh yes When I learned this, I immediately converted back to NTFS. It will take a couple days to see if swapping back and forth has cured the problem, as Rod suggested it might. I sure as Hell hope so. -- "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." --Calvin Coolidge |
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Corrupt NTFS filesystem
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:38:05 -0400, kony wrote:
I'm not suggesting FAT32 is better than NTFS, but practically speaking everyone repeats the marketing blurb you did, too, without really considering the application, whether it'll matter. The 4GB limitation on file size is a killer for me. I do a lot of video work and a 4GB file is not unheard of. -- "Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." --Calvin Coolidge |
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