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  #171  
Old July 1st 06, 02:56 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,uk.comp.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware
Warra
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Default Economics of SATA hard drive

On 24 Jun 2006, Rod wrote:

I don't use either,


Your problem.

and for good reason.


Nope, mindless paranoia, actually.

You can get scammed with online transactions too.

Those of us with a clue use a credit card so that if the worst does
come to the worst, the credit card issuer gets to wear the problem.



You may be in the right and you may eventually get your money but who
needs the hassle?
  #172  
Old July 1st 06, 03:01 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,uk.comp.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware
Warra
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On 22 Jun 2006, wrote:

In other words, your board is among the
worst to use a PCI SATA controller on.


Oh bull****.


Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset?
I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did
recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI
controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets.
Google for the info if you don't believe,

If you Google,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ATA+benchmarks

look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A...
http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/...70/index3.html

... and this is even BEFORE one tries to use the PCI bus for
other concurrent things like audio or whatever.

In computing most things are typical, but occasionally some
things stand out as very good or bad. Via chipsets PCI
performance in that era were very bad.



I clicked your Google link and saw this at
http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339072&rl=1

----------------------------- QUOTE
Performance Driven Design - More than Just a Slogan

VIA Technologies replaced the unimpressive memory controller in the
KT266's North Bridge (the VT8366) with a greatly improved design in
the new North Bridge chip (VT8366A). The new memory controller is
referred to by VIA's block diagram (available at VIA's web site) as
"Performance Driven Design". Technically speaking, this name sums up
a lot of changes, including:

double the burst rate for memory transfers
deeper read-write internal memory buffers (also called data queues)
faster memory timings

This improvement in the memory controller (Tom's Hardware calls it
the "industry's fastest DDR memory controller") is the major change
in the KT266A over the KT266, and takes care of the major weakness in
the original design
----------------------------- UNQUOTE

Seems that the KT266A chipset is not as affected as the KT266.
Presumably (?) this also applied to PCI cards?
  #173  
Old July 1st 06, 05:58 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,uk.comp.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware
kony
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On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:01:31 +0100, Warra
wrote:

On 22 Jun 2006, wrote:

In other words, your board is among the
worst to use a PCI SATA controller on.

Oh bull****.


Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset?
I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did
recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI
controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets.
Google for the info if you don't believe,

If you Google,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ATA+benchmarks

look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A...
http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/...70/index3.html

... and this is even BEFORE one tries to use the PCI bus for
other concurrent things like audio or whatever.

In computing most things are typical, but occasionally some
things stand out as very good or bad. Via chipsets PCI
performance in that era were very bad.



I clicked your Google link and saw this at
http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=339072&rl=1

----------------------------- QUOTE
Performance Driven Design - More than Just a Slogan

VIA Technologies replaced the unimpressive memory controller in the
KT266's North Bridge (the VT8366) with a greatly improved design in
the new North Bridge chip (VT8366A). The new memory controller is
referred to by VIA's block diagram (available at VIA's web site) as
"Performance Driven Design". Technically speaking, this name sums up
a lot of changes, including:

double the burst rate for memory transfers
deeper read-write internal memory buffers (also called data queues)
faster memory timings

This improvement in the memory controller (Tom's Hardware calls it
the "industry's fastest DDR memory controller") is the major change
in the KT266A over the KT266, and takes care of the major weakness in
the original design
----------------------------- UNQUOTE

Seems that the KT266A chipset is not as affected as the KT266.
Presumably (?) this also applied to PCI cards?



Yes I think I was mistaken about the bus speed issue, that
was going from KT133 to KT133A. I now wonder how many
boards actually surfaced with the KT266 (non-A) chip though
as it stirs up another memory that boards may have been
designed for KT266 but that many ended up shipping with
KT266A (which is pin-compatible, IIRC) instead.
  #174  
Old July 1st 06, 06:58 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,uk.comp.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware
Rod Speed
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Warra wrote
Rod wrote


I don't use either,


Your problem.


and for good reason.


Nope, mindless paranoia, actually.


You can get scammed with online transactions too.


Those of us with a clue use a credit card so that if the worst does
come to the worst, the credit card issuer gets to wear the problem.


You may be in the right and you may eventually
get your money but who needs the hassle?


You're assuming that there is any hassle.

And you can get hassles with bricks and mortar stores too.


  #175  
Old July 1st 06, 07:03 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,uk.comp.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware
Rod Speed
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Warra wrote
Rod wrote


Find a cheaper PCI SATA adaptor on ebay.


ebay? No thank you. I find it goes like this on ebay:


œ1 for the PCI SATA card.
œ5 postage.
œ5 to œ10 for the time to complete a transaction and swap emails
and check credentials and confirm goods against description.
œ10 to chase spotty-faced ****** selling the item about delays.
œ10 for angst, grief and general wot-****ing-mess-this-is.


You clearly havent actually got a clue about using ebay.


There are plenty of commercial retail operations
that sell stuff on ebay and it isnt hard to work out
which ones those are using the feedback rating.


And if you cant find that card in a bricks and mortar operation
in that soggy little island of yours for a decent price,
http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?...&btnG=Search+F
roogle&scoring=p you could get real radical and order it from somewhere
outside your country from a bricks and mortar operation that has decent
prices. Postage doesnt cost much on something like that.


And even then you find the card prolly does not work (whatever
price is asked). "I'll give you your œ1 back then mate and pay
the postage - you can't say fairer than that." **** off sonny,
after all the hassle I just want a working card.


Have you the remotest concept of how silly you look in the
eyes of those of us that have bought plenty of stuff like that
off ebay and havent got anything like the result you got ?


You are right that lots of people use eBay happily.


Yep, they wouldnt have the volume they do get if most got dudded.

But that has not been my experience.


Then you should get a clue and work out which of the
ebay sellers are retail operations that choose to use
ebay. Not a shred of rocket science required at all.

You say I look silly here. I also look damn silly too to
the vendors who have cost me money and have not
given me the goods as described! They love silly people.


Then you should get a clue and work out which of the
ebay sellers are retail operations that choose to use
ebay. Not a shred of rocket science required at all.

Better to look silly to you than to look silly
and lose money to an dodgy eBay vendor.


There aint just those two alternatives.

Also, if I factor in the costs of time and effort in managing
an ebay purchase then I feel I could save that hassle for
the cost of spending an extra bit of cash at a local store.


You were the one whining about how much they
want for that particular card you wanted to buy.

At least I get my goods and, thoeretically,
I have somewhere to go if they are defective.


Pity that you are the one whining about how much
they want for that particular card you wanted to buy.


  #176  
Old July 1st 06, 08:01 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,uk.comp.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware
Ed Light
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"Warra" wrote

Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset?
I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did
recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI
controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets.
Google for the info if you don't believe,

If you Google,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ATA+benchmarks

look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A...
http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/...70/index3.html


62 megs a second should be enough for a temporary setup. Let's say you
actually manage 35 in real life. Still ok.

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  #177  
Old July 1st 06, 08:04 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,uk.comp.homebuilt,alt.comp.hardware
Ed Light
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"Ed Light" wrote in message
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"Warra" wrote

Have you ever actually TRIED a PCI card on that chipset?
I have... benched it too. Don't recall the scores but did
recall the very significant difference in use of a PCI
controller on that and prior, next gen Via chipsets.
Google for the info if you don't believe,

If you Google,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ATA+benchmarks

look at the very first hit, it happens to be KT266A...
http://www.tecchannel.de/ueberblick/...70/index3.html


62 megs a second should be enough for a temporary setup. Let's say you
actually manage 35 in real life. Still ok.


Though not if your soundcard sputters when your hd is loaded up.


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