state of PowerVR Series 5

You will have to excuse the fact that this is off-topic for the ati,
nvidia groups, however I would argue that competition in the high end
PC graphics arena from PowerVR should impact the quality of sucessive
GPUs/VPUs from Nvidia and ATI.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12637

quote:
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We've been following the progress of PowerVR'5 Series 5 graphics
technology for some time, often wondering if it will actually reach
the market and if so how – given PowerVR's reluctance to do anything
along the fab-less semiconductor business model, instead stick purely
to an IP model. With no semiconductor licensee's it appeared that
Series 5 would stall, however last time we saw news of Series 5 it
was. We presume, for an announced deal with SEGA's arcade division.

More recently Imagination Technologies, the parent company of PowerVR,
has put out a new financial statement and within that a few references
have been made to the progress of state of Series 5. Here are a few
elements of the statement that may be pertienent:
" We are close to delivering our very high-end next generation
graphics technology that targets arcade, PC and console. We have
already licensed this technology to SEGA for use in arcade systems and
intend to explore relevant partnerships for other markets."

"Developments with Renesas/Sammy, and the latest SEGA partnership are
expected to lead to volume shipments in the amusement machine market
starting from the second half of this year and early next year
respectively."

"5 partner devices in or close to production (compared with only one
in production at the beginning of FY03/04) and 2 in prototype
silicon;"
So, it would seem that in the second half of the year, which begins
fairly soon, PowerVR will be ready to show of Series 5 in an arcade
guise at least, however given their business model this still leaves
some questions as to how, if at all, this will be brought to the PC
market without any semiconductor licensees – if PowerVR are reluctant
to go to a fables semiconductor it may be a tall order to ask a board
vendor to become one by effectively paying for the production
themselves and giving royalties back to PowerVR. Hopefully, though,
this will still prove to be an interesting solution and something can
be worked out.
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Glad to hear PowerVr are still alive.
I really loved my Kyro2 64mb card back then. It cost halv of what Gf2 was
going for and still had decent performance.
I loved those 16bit depth quality tough.. just as good as 32bit. So many old
games using 16bit max looked better with that card.

Now if only they put on TnL unit, DX8 features and DDR2 ram to that
interface, it would still outperform any Radeon9200se/Fx5200/Ti4200 cards at
hopefully much less price.

As for next gen, I'd love to see Kyro4 with 128mb GDDR2, 4x2 pipeline,
ShaderModel 3 support. With TBR interface (TileBaseRendering), that card
will be real threat to 9800/5900 series of cards. May even challenge x800
and 6800 cards if it gets a faster pipelines (hopefully 8x2 .

"R420" wrote in message
om...
You will have to excuse the fact that this is off-topic for the ati,
nvidia groups, however I would argue that competition in the high end
PC graphics arena from PowerVR should impact the quality of sucessive
GPUs/VPUs from Nvidia and ATI.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12637

quote:

__________________________________________________ __________________________
___
We've been following the progress of PowerVR'5 Series 5 graphics
technology for some time, often wondering if it will actually reach
the market and if so how - given PowerVR's reluctance to do anything
along the fab-less semiconductor business model, instead stick purely
to an IP model. With no semiconductor licensee's it appeared that
Series 5 would stall, however last time we saw news of Series 5 it
was. We presume, for an announced deal with SEGA's arcade division.

More recently Imagination Technologies, the parent company of PowerVR,
has put out a new financial statement and within that a few references
have been made to the progress of state of Series 5. Here are a few
elements of the statement that may be pertienent:
" We are close to delivering our very high-end next generation
graphics technology that targets arcade, PC and console. We have
already licensed this technology to SEGA for use in arcade systems and
intend to explore relevant partnerships for other markets."

"Developments with Renesas/Sammy, and the latest SEGA partnership are
expected to lead to volume shipments in the amusement machine market
starting from the second half of this year and early next year
respectively."

"5 partner devices in or close to production (compared with only one
in production at the beginning of FY03/04) and 2 in prototype
silicon;"
So, it would seem that in the second half of the year, which begins
fairly soon, PowerVR will be ready to show of Series 5 in an arcade
guise at least, however given their business model this still leaves
some questions as to how, if at all, this will be brought to the PC
market without any semiconductor licensees - if PowerVR are reluctant
to go to a fables semiconductor it may be a tall order to ask a board
vendor to become one by effectively paying for the production
themselves and giving royalties back to PowerVR. Hopefully, though,
this will still prove to be an interesting solution and something can
be worked out.

__________________________________________________ __________________________
___

I also hope that S3 also makes a decent card and driver set. We need some
competition. Im not holding my breath waiting for these two though. S3
cards should be out soon I have read.

"Asestar" a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o wrote in message
...
Glad to hear PowerVr are still alive.
I really loved my Kyro2 64mb card back then. It cost halv of what Gf2 was
going for and still had decent performance.
I loved those 16bit depth quality tough.. just as good as 32bit. So many
old
games using 16bit max looked better with that card.

Now if only they put on TnL unit, DX8 features and DDR2 ram to that
interface, it would still outperform any Radeon9200se/Fx5200/Ti4200 cards
at
hopefully much less price.

As for next gen, I'd love to see Kyro4 with 128mb GDDR2, 4x2 pipeline,
ShaderModel 3 support. With TBR interface (TileBaseRendering), that card
will be real threat to 9800/5900 series of cards. May even challenge x800
and 6800 cards if it gets a faster pipelines (hopefully 8x2 .

"R420" wrote in message
om...
You will have to excuse the fact that this is off-topic for the ati,
nvidia groups, however I would argue that competition in the high end
PC graphics arena from PowerVR should impact the quality of sucessive
GPUs/VPUs from Nvidia and ATI.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12637

quote:


__________________________________________________ __________________________
___
We've been following the progress of PowerVR'5 Series 5 graphics
technology for some time, often wondering if it will actually reach
the market and if so how - given PowerVR's reluctance to do anything
along the fab-less semiconductor business model, instead stick purely
to an IP model. With no semiconductor licensee's it appeared that
Series 5 would stall, however last time we saw news of Series 5 it
was. We presume, for an announced deal with SEGA's arcade division.

More recently Imagination Technologies, the parent company of PowerVR,
has put out a new financial statement and within that a few references
have been made to the progress of state of Series 5. Here are a few
elements of the statement that may be pertienent:
" We are close to delivering our very high-end next generation
graphics technology that targets arcade, PC and console. We have
already licensed this technology to SEGA for use in arcade systems and
intend to explore relevant partnerships for other markets."

"Developments with Renesas/Sammy, and the latest SEGA partnership are
expected to lead to volume shipments in the amusement machine market
starting from the second half of this year and early next year
respectively."

"5 partner devices in or close to production (compared with only one
in production at the beginning of FY03/04) and 2 in prototype
silicon;"
So, it would seem that in the second half of the year, which begins
fairly soon, PowerVR will be ready to show of Series 5 in an arcade
guise at least, however given their business model this still leaves
some questions as to how, if at all, this will be brought to the PC
market without any semiconductor licensees - if PowerVR are reluctant
to go to a fables semiconductor it may be a tall order to ask a board
vendor to become one by effectively paying for the production
themselves and giving royalties back to PowerVR. Hopefully, though,
this will still prove to be an interesting solution and something can
be worked out.


__________________________________________________ __________________________
___

I thought my card with the kyro chip was great too. Excelent picture
quality, better than both the nvidia cards I've had since then. I wish then
good luck.

"Gonzo" wrote in message
...
I also hope that S3 also makes a decent card and driver set. We need some
competition. Im not holding my breath waiting for these two though. S3
cards should be out soon I have read.

"Asestar" a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o wrote in message
...
Glad to hear PowerVr are still alive.
I really loved my Kyro2 64mb card back then. It cost halv of what Gf2
was
going for and still had decent performance.
I loved those 16bit depth quality tough.. just as good as 32bit. So many
old
games using 16bit max looked better with that card.

Now if only they put on TnL unit, DX8 features and DDR2 ram to that
interface, it would still outperform any Radeon9200se/Fx5200/Ti4200
cards
at
hopefully much less price.

As for next gen, I'd love to see Kyro4 with 128mb GDDR2, 4x2 pipeline,
ShaderModel 3 support. With TBR interface (TileBaseRendering), that card
will be real threat to 9800/5900 series of cards. May even challenge
x800
and 6800 cards if it gets a faster pipelines (hopefully 8x2 .

"R420" wrote in message
om...
You will have to excuse the fact that this is off-topic for the ati,
nvidia groups, however I would argue that competition in the high end
PC graphics arena from PowerVR should impact the quality of sucessive
GPUs/VPUs from Nvidia and ATI.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12637

quote:



__________________________________________________ __________________________
___
We've been following the progress of PowerVR'5 Series 5 graphics
technology for some time, often wondering if it will actually reach
the market and if so how - given PowerVR's reluctance to do anything
along the fab-less semiconductor business model, instead stick purely
to an IP model. With no semiconductor licensee's it appeared that
Series 5 would stall, however last time we saw news of Series 5 it
was. We presume, for an announced deal with SEGA's arcade division.

More recently Imagination Technologies, the parent company of PowerVR,
has put out a new financial statement and within that a few references
have been made to the progress of state of Series 5. Here are a few
elements of the statement that may be pertienent:
" We are close to delivering our very high-end next generation
graphics technology that targets arcade, PC and console. We have
already licensed this technology to SEGA for use in arcade systems and
intend to explore relevant partnerships for other markets."

"Developments with Renesas/Sammy, and the latest SEGA partnership are
expected to lead to volume shipments in the amusement machine market
starting from the second half of this year and early next year
respectively."

"5 partner devices in or close to production (compared with only one
in production at the beginning of FY03/04) and 2 in prototype
silicon;"
So, it would seem that in the second half of the year, which begins
fairly soon, PowerVR will be ready to show of Series 5 in an arcade
guise at least, however given their business model this still leaves
some questions as to how, if at all, this will be brought to the PC
market without any semiconductor licensees - if PowerVR are reluctant
to go to a fables semiconductor it may be a tall order to ask a board
vendor to become one by effectively paying for the production
themselves and giving royalties back to PowerVR. Hopefully, though,
this will still prove to be an interesting solution and something can
be worked out.



__________________________________________________ __________________________
___

"Gonzo" wrote in message ...
I also hope that S3 also makes a decent card and driver set. We need some
competition. Im not holding my breath waiting for these two though. S3
cards should be out soon I have read.


don't forget XGI, with their super powerfull Dual GPU card, they are
also a contender :-p

"Dark Avenger" wrote in message
om...
"Gonzo" wrote in message
...
I also hope that S3 also makes a decent card and driver set. We need
some
competition. Im not holding my breath waiting for these two though. S3
cards should be out soon I have read.


don't forget XGI, with their super powerfull Dual GPU card, they are
also a contender :-p

Their drivers were very buggy, last time i checked. also they cost a fair
bit more than competetion, that kills sales for new cards.

"Asestar" a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o wrote in message
...

"Dark Avenger" wrote in message
om...
"Gonzo" wrote in message
...
I also hope that S3 also makes a decent card and driver set. We need
some
competition. Im not holding my breath waiting for these two though.
S3
cards should be out soon I have read.


don't forget XGI, with their super powerfull Dual GPU card, they are
also a contender :-p

Their drivers were very buggy, last time i checked. also they cost a fair
bit more than competetion, that kills sales for new cards.

I predict that XGI and S3 will go down in flames because of their driver
quality. Even this late in the game S3's pre production drivers absolutely
stink. Not a good sign.

PowerVR I have more hope for. This is the first that I have heard of them
coming back though.

What's next?....Rendition maybe?

3Dfx was pretty much killed by Nvidia and the corps cut up and most of it
thrown away. Too bad. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and is still
the primary reason I have banned myself from buying Nvidia products.

Rant over.

"Asestar" a s e s t a r @ s t a r t . n o wrote in message ...
"Dark Avenger" wrote in message
om...
"Gonzo" wrote in message
...
I also hope that S3 also makes a decent card and driver set. We need
some
competition. Im not holding my breath waiting for these two though. S3
cards should be out soon I have read.


don't forget XGI, with their super powerfull Dual GPU card, they are
also a contender :-p

Their drivers were very buggy, last time i checked. also they cost a fair
bit more than competetion, that kills sales for new cards.

Not to forget that the output wasn't correct in most of the times,
turbo-texturing is used and Farcry?...you get a black screen!

Nice card....

On 25 May 2004 07:29:16 -0700, (Dark Avenger)
wrote:

"Gonzo" wrote in message ...
I also hope that S3 also makes a decent card and driver set. We need some
competition. Im not holding my breath waiting for these two though. S3
cards should be out soon I have read.


don't forget XGI, with their super powerfull Dual GPU card, they are
also a contender :-p

Bwahahah that's funny! Pay $400+ (About the same as a 9800XT or 5950
or the new X800/6800 cards) yet when the drivers are set CORRECTLY
(ie: rendering full detail) its performance is on par with the GF5600
Ultra.

But yes... we could use some more competition.


- - - - -
Remember: In the USA - it is dangeroud to draw or write about Heir Bush in a negative way. The police or SS are called, people threaten to kill you. (What country is this again?)

- 15yr old boy in Washington was disciplined for drawing such images.
- White House blows cover of an undercover agent because her husband said there were no WMD (before the USA started the war) - her job was finding terrorist. (This makes sense?)
God bless the land of the free. Where you can burn the Constitution... Ashcroft does it every day.

Bwahahah that's funny! Pay $400+ (About the same as a 9800XT or 5950
or the new X800/6800 cards) yet when the drivers are set CORRECTLY
(ie: rendering full detail) its performance is on par with the GF5600
Ultra.

But yes... we could use some more competition.


-

Well darty, XGI has humour! I mean making such a joke of a card and
then trying to sell it for more then 450 dollar. And ..some suckers
bought it!

Another joke is the parphelia, I mean I can hear it like yesterday
"512-bits...wow" ... en oh wat een performance... op game gebied!

Yup, "just follow the red arrows and open the door..it's totally
safe..." ( suckers )