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Old December 29th 04, 05:42 AM
Mason A. Clark
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Default "Audio CD" = "CD" ?

What's the difference between "Audio CD" and
just plain "CD" blanks? Is it only a marketing ploy?

Mason C

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Old December 29th 04, 08:25 AM
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Mason A. Clark wrote:
What's the difference between "Audio CD" and
just plain "CD" blanks? Is it only a marketing ploy?


It seems that marketing doesn't like "Digital Audio" so they may call
the discs with that in the logo (the only place where it matters) 'Audio
CD'. If so, it means that it will record in a standalone machine and
that it's more expensive because it pays a royalty for copyright.

The only difference between a Digital Audio disc and a regular one is
that Digital Audio must record at 1x, so is optimized for a lower speed
than typical blanks without that marking.

Mike
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Old December 29th 04, 11:26 AM
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"Mason A. Clark" wrote:

What's the difference between "Audio CD" and
just plain "CD" blanks? Is it only a marketing ploy?


4.8. "Audio Only" media
http://users.forthnet.gr/ath/axatis/...edia/audio.htm

[7-17] What's the difference between "data" and "music" blanks?
http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq07.html#S7-17

[5-12] What's the story with stand-alone audio CD recorders?
http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq05.html#S5-12


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Old December 29th 04, 12:12 PM
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Mike Richter wrote in message
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Mason A. Clark wrote:
What's the difference between "Audio CD" and
just plain "CD" blanks? Is it only a marketing ploy?


It seems that marketing doesn't like "Digital Audio" so they may call
the discs with that in the logo (the only place where it matters) 'Audio
CD'. If so, it means that it will record in a standalone machine and
that it's more expensive because it pays a royalty for copyright.

The only difference between a Digital Audio disc and a regular one is
that Digital Audio must record at 1x, so is optimized for a lower speed
than typical blanks without that marking.



The old Philips stand alone CD recorders used A special Audio CD that could
not be used in computer CD writers.They were a different format than
CDR.These were true audio CDs.The problem was cost.So other companies made
stand alone units that used the CDR and CDRW formats.This drove the audio
only CD format pretty much out of business (real fast).You can still buy the
Audio CDs but they are expensive and can be hard to find.So if you see audio
CD written on CDs in stores make sure it is not this type of CD (probably
won't be) or it will not work in your computer burner.If they are CDR audio
CDs avoid them as they are the same thing as regular CDRs with an extra
royaly cost on them (as you stated).Stick with good media and there will be
no problems.



Mike
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Old December 31st 04, 02:02 AM
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:25:50 -0800, Mike Richter wrote:
Mason A. Clark wrote:
What's the difference between "Audio CD" and
just plain "CD" blanks? Is it only a marketing ploy?


It seems that marketing doesn't like "Digital Audio" so they may call
the discs with that in the logo (the only place where it matters) 'Audio
CD'. If so, it means that it will record in a standalone machine and
that it's more expensive because it pays a royalty for copyright.

The only difference between a Digital Audio disc and a regular one is
that Digital Audio must record at 1x, so is optimized for a lower speed
than typical blanks without that marking.


Just a minor nit, but the royalty on the disks is either 2 or 3 per cent
of the wholesale price which makes it just about negligible. The
cost difference is probably more due to smaller manufacturing runs
and administrative costs than it is due to the actual money collected
from the royalty.

Isaac
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Old December 31st 04, 04:53 AM
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:12:38 GMT, "Troy"
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Mike Richter wrote in message
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Mason A. Clark wrote:
What's the difference between "Audio CD" and
just plain "CD" blanks? Is it only a marketing ploy?


It seems that marketing doesn't like "Digital Audio" so they may call
the discs with that in the logo (the only place where it matters) 'Audio
CD'. If so, it means that it will record in a standalone machine and
that it's more expensive because it pays a royalty for copyright.

The only difference between a Digital Audio disc and a regular one is
that Digital Audio must record at 1x, so is optimized for a lower speed
than typical blanks without that marking.



The old Philips stand alone CD recorders used A special Audio CD that could
not be used in computer CD writers.They were a different format than
CDR.These were true audio CDs.The problem was cost.So other companies made
stand alone units that used the CDR and CDRW formats.This drove the audio
only CD format pretty much out of business (real fast).You can still buy the
Audio CDs but they are expensive and can be hard to find.So if you see audio
CD written on CDs in stores make sure it is not this type of CD (probably
won't be) or it will not work in your computer burner.If they are CDR audio
CDs avoid them as they are the same thing as regular CDRs with an extra
royaly cost on them (as you stated).Stick with good media and there will be
no problems.



Mike
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http://www.mrichter.com/


Not quite.

The Audio CDRs designed for use in the old Philips (and later other
manufacturer's) Stand Alone recorders contained a special mark or code
on them. Only those CDRs could be used in these recorders as regular
CDRs didn't have this mark/code on them.

Both types could always be used in a computer CD writer.

The Audio CDRs still exist - all the stand alone recorders I've seen,
even today, still require them. They cost more as part of the cost is
kicked back to the RIAA as a sort of recompense for the copyright
infringement they claim is happening when a CD is recorded onto the
CDR.

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Old January 3rd 05, 12:07 AM
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:42:56 GMT, Mason A. Clark
wrote:

What's the difference between "Audio CD" and
just plain "CD" blanks? Is it only a marketing ploy?

Mason C


The AudioCD blanks have an encoded header region which specifically
identifies them as AudioCD blanks. This is required to work with
stand alone AudioCD burners as they specifically look for it.

The biggest difference is that there is a levy collected (sort of like
a tax, but not a tax) on AudioCD blanks. It is basically a fine (paid
in advance) because it's assumed that you'll be using the disc to copy
music. The money is collected on behalf of the RIAA and CRIA (yeah,
THOSE guys), and is supposed to go towards paying off artists and
encouraging new artists. Whether you believe that or not is up to
you. In most countries, there is a recordable media levy on all
recordable media, but the AudioCDRs have a higher levy on them (paid
by the factory or importer), so the price is higher. In some
countries, only specific media types have a levy on them (such as
these audioCDRs), which again, makes these media types more expensive.

Anyways, that header code is supposed to make sure that you're paying
that levy, rather than using the cheaper data discs.

Other than that, the AudioCDR discs are just regular CDR discs rated
for 1x burning, the typical speed of the stand alone burners. They
can be used in computer burners, but there's really no reason to pay
the extra for the "audioCD" discs unless:

1. You own an older burner that can't deal with the newer high speed
media. (The audioCDRs are rated for slow burning)

2. You own an unmodified stand alone audio CD burner.

3. You feel really guilty about not paying the music associations more
to make a compilation disc containing music you already paid for.

4. It makes you feel special.
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