How bad or good are CMC blanks for non-critical work e.g. "giveaway"discs?

Cory Seedan wrote:
Staples (USA) is extending that $7.99 sale another week for a
50-spindle of HP (made by CMC) CDR's. I guess they couldn't get rid
of enough of them last week. g

I normally buy *only* Fuji/TY as I know I can trust them. But...

Since they're cheap, (and I'm a cheap *******), I'm thinking of buying
a couple more spindles for "giveaway" and low-priority discs for times
when the Fuji's are kinda expensive for the task. Anybody know how the
CMC disks hold up over time -- disk rot, bit dropout, etc? I don't
mind burning at lower (20x-30x) speeds if they show errors at higher
speed - just that they hold data for at least 6 months before crapping
out. TIA for any comments!

The question is what errors you get when you record them, so measure the
error rate and make your own decision. For example, I've found some
inexpensive media which have reasonable error rates to 60 minutes or so;
I use them for such non-critical CD-DA purposes with that limit. I've
also found low-priced media with zero recoverable errors burning at 12x
on my Plexwriters and used them for many purposes short of mastering a
disc to be pressed.

Unfortunately, only a very low error rate is helpful in determining
longevity and it is not a sufficient measure. Where you need to be sure
that the disc will last, T-Y or Mitsui is still recommended.

Mike
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Mike Richter (Roxio ****) splattered:

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Got no time to respond to this, Mikey?

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From: Curtis Croulet
Subject: had it with DirectCD
Date: 9/22/04
Message-ID:

Mike Richter (Roxio ****) splattered:

try providing some usable information - OS, what kind of
write you're doing, what error messages you get.

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What the hell has this nonsense to do with my question?

Have you been scraping the dye off CDR's and smoking it in an attempt
to get high? Apparently it's done you massive and irreversible brain
damage instead. It might be helpful for you to consult a physical ans
psychiatric MD in order to determine which types and dosages of
medications that will stabilise what is left of your mental faculties.
You should also consider getting off the computer and use the money
you pay for internet service to cover the health insurance copayment.

You're _seriously_ ill, Mr. Hong, but medical science may yet allow
you to lead a somewhat normal and productive life -- if you act
quickly to get help to undo the worst of the dye poisoning and
resulting psychotic symptomatology.

--corey-

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:15:28 -0700, smh wrote:

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Mike Richter (Roxio ****) splattered:

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Got no time to respond to this, Mikey?

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From: Curtis Croulet
Subject: had it with DirectCD
Date: 9/22/04
Message-ID:

Mike Richter (Roxio ****) splattered:

try providing some usable information - OS, what kind of
write you're doing, what error messages you get.

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( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )


Cory Seedan (Pipsqueak) squealed:

What the hell has this nonsense to do with my question?

snip squealing

That dense ???!!!

Anyhow, instead of squealing like a stuck pig, why don't you prove ANY
of the above is a LIBEL?

That should be a piece of cake as all you have to do is a copy & paste
the proof of misquotes Mikey has. That's all you need to do. It's that
easy.


Mike Richter (Roxio ****) splattered:

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Got no time to respond to this, Mikey?

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From: Curtis Croulet
Subject: had it with DirectCD
Date: 9/22/04
Message-ID:

Mike Richter (Roxio ****) splattered:

try providing some usable information - OS, what kind of
write you're doing, what error messages you get.

========================

"Cory Seedan" wrote in message
...

What the hell has this nonsense to do with my question?

Have you been scraping the dye off CDR's and smoking it in an attempt
to get high? Apparently it's done you massive and irreversible brain
damage instead. It might be helpful for you to consult a physical ans
psychiatric MD in order to determine which types and dosages of
medications that will stabilise what is left of your mental faculties.
You should also consider getting off the computer and use the money
you pay for internet service to cover the health insurance copayment.

You're _seriously_ ill, Mr. Hong, but medical science may yet allow
you to lead a somewhat normal and productive life -- if you act
quickly to get help to undo the worst of the dye poisoning and
resulting psychotic symptomatology.

9500 incoherent posts by smh on this newsgroup so far, according to google.
Meh, I've seen worse.
Killfile for fast, soothing relief of irritation.

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( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )


Cory Seedan (Pipsqueak) squeaked:

What the hell has this nonsense to do with my question?
snip ranting

So you received gobbledygooks from Mikey. Wasn't Mikey so helpful?

How about putting yourself in Curtis Croulet's position?


Got no time to respond to this, Mikey?

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From: Curtis Croulet
Subject: had it with DirectCD
Date: 9/22/04

Mike Richter (Roxio ****) splattered:

try providing some usable information - OS, what kind of
write you're doing, what error messages you get.

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The Chronic (Pipsqueak) squeaked:

9500 incoherent posts by smh on this newsgroup so far, according to google.

Are these incoherent to you?

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Cory Seedan wrote in
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What the hell has this nonsense to do with my question?

[snip]

Don't feed the trolls.

Just killfile them.

-0-

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sethra (Pipsqueak) squealed:

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Stop that squealing, sicko!

Did you get ecstatic seeing these Mikey's spew, sicko?

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Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum) spewed (12/24/03):

Most likely, you are using the wrong media.

If it's UltraSpeed, it wants discs in similarly marked
packages - rated 16x and above. If it's High Speed, it wants discs in
similarly marked packages, rated 4x and above.

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And the sky is falling Chicken Little, go tell the king
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Mike Richter (Friggin' ****) barfed (12/16/03):

Erasable media have proved unreliable. In addition if you have a
HighSpeed drive (rated above 4x), you should not use media rated
for a maximum of 4x of less; they are not HighSpeed. You may get
apparently good results, but the error rate is likely to be high
and reliability will be low.

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And the sky is falling Chicken Little, go tell the king
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From: Mitch
Subject: CD RW problem
Date: 11/30/03

Mike Richter (Friggin' Scum) spewed (11/26/03):

Mitch wrote:

If you have a Rewritable Drive
you can use 1x-4x CD-RW Media

If you have a High Speed Rewritable Drive
you can use 4x-12x CD-RW Media & 1x-4x CD-RW Media

If you have a Ultra Speed Rewritable Drive
you can use 8x-24x CD-RW Media, 4x-12x CD-RW Media & 1x-4x
CD-RW Media

Yes and no. Your drive may or may not write to media of a lesser
type than specified, but the quality of the write is generally
much less than that for the specified type, which is often less
than you'd want to begin with. I did not say that it would not
work, only that "you're asking for trouble".

Double-check your data, though. There may be an UltraSpeed drive
which will write as slowly as 4x, but I don't know of it.

And the sky is falling Chicken Little, go tell the king.
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Mikey, you are a Friggin' ****!
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:02:54 -0700, Mike Richter
wrote:

wrote:
Staples (USA) is extending that $7.99 sale another week for a
50-spindle of HP (made by CMC) CDR's. I guess they couldn't get rid
of enough of them last week. g

I normally buy *only* Fuji/TY as I know I can trust them. But...

Since they're cheap, (and I'm a cheap *******), I'm thinking of buying
a couple more spindles for "giveaway" and low-priority discs for times
when the Fuji's are kinda expensive for the task. Anybody know how the
CMC disks hold up over time -- disk rot, bit dropout, etc? I don't
mind burning at lower (20x-30x) speeds if they show errors at higher
speed - just that they hold data for at least 6 months before crapping
out. TIA for any comments!

The question is what errors you get when you record them, so measure the
error rate and make your own decision. For example, I've found some
inexpensive media which have reasonable error rates to 60 minutes or so;
I use them for such non-critical CD-DA purposes with that limit. I've
also found low-priced media with zero recoverable errors burning at 12x
on my Plexwriters and used them for many purposes short of mastering a
disc to be pressed.

Thanks for the reply, Mike.

As I said, I'd already burned several of the HP labeled CMC's with
data to the 650+ meg mark at 20x without any noticible errors,
recoverable or otherwise. I burned another 10 today without a single
error. Based on that, I bought a couple more spindles, just to use
for non-critical discs, e.g. giveaway and throwaway discs.

Just for shirts and goggles, I'm going to run a few on my old CDR
Diagnostic software ovenight and see the error-count that gets hidden
behind the recovery process.

Unfortunately, only a very low error rate is helpful in determining
longevity and it is not a sufficient measure. Where you need to be sure
that the disc will last, T-Y or Mitsui is still recommended.

Definitely. I use only Fuji/T-Y for my critical discs. But where I
don't need to be sure, media that costs half or less the price of T-Y
is easier on the wallet. It will be interesting to see what the true
error-rate on the cheap discs is, however.