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"Audio CD's", you bother to buy those?
Hi all, not a regular but i'm going to propose a situation for
chat/talk, etc. First off, we all see at best buy the 'audio' blank cdr's that are basicly the computer cdr's with a different package label. For the audio-files, we're just talking here that in basic, they're the same cd's. As in if anyone ever told you otherwise, look farther into it, most guys that been around know those cd's are simply the same blank cdr's you find for sale in the computer section. Ok, with that said. Me and a buddy have come across an interesting situation. 2 Different machines, but with identical hardware, and 3 different cdr manufacturers (by label) for blank cdr's. So I burn a audio cd on xp, no big deal, been awhile since i had, yet, burned it, and now in trusty regular cd player(s), this audio cd skips but plays. Meanwhile I goto another brand of cdr (my gig was got a stack of chrome no label blanks from office max on a rebate, the imation's i usually buy went on sale at best buy the next week, so thought maybe the generics were junk and i'd be back in the high life with the imations. -ie just like the old days, just like i've been doing 5 yrs out of 10 yrs of pc computing.) and audio cd's now still won't play right. I've NEVER had a problem with burning an audio cd, PERIOD. Ok. So my buddy calls me up and says hey man, my burns are acting like yours, what's up? Said don't know, i've checked out my gear, even burned not under xp but under w2k on same hardware and said, dunno, my 2nd test has now failed too. Prior to hearing my buddy having probs, for me, was considering perhaps my burner is wearing out (never had one that did, but know they're rated at so many 1000's of burning hours, and I've been pretty active w/backups last 3 months), and I got another upto date burner in another machine, so was allready on the path my prob was certainly weird, but 'certainly' local. So, for this post, the burner switchout and test is to come, and the box i burn on i have multiboot w2k/xp, so as before when i thought xp might have a bug in it (and maybe I introduced, the image is 6 months old, i've installed alot) that i can reboot and do things under w2k. My w2k image is at least 1yr old, and it was that long since i even made an audio cd that at least i know it's a good benchmark os load of when it did work. After all this, bases are covered, and if easy enough to read, the idea is this- Does anyone have any experience or seen that for in the market place the cd makers have actually done something to which they will try to steer comp people into buying a whole stack of audio cd's (and just for that purpose) with the blank data cdr's that we've been so accustom to buying, using, and burning for both and all regular purposes? I don't care much about conspiracy as much as my wallet. If times are changing, i had no reason to investigate earlier, and i was on the path that step by step was on way to discovering my local problem, yet, my buddy who has bought two stacks of blank cd's and and audio he burned last yr, and now that that stack was done and a new stack was bought, that last yrs audio cd works in any player, or chosen player, but now he's seeing the same result i am where a 'new' stack of cds all of a sudden has problems? I also have a last years audio cd that plays great, anyplayer, yet my new burns (new cdr blank stock), all of a sudden -problems? (the prob for me is the tracks skip but song still plays yet doesn't restart the tune or cd, and some background hiss/scratch depending on tune, and song hangs, -like a 'stuck' tune.) Me? My procedure is the same and will toss out names for those interested, and hasn't changed for at least 3 yrs. Mp3's decoded to ..wav (via MpegSuite), and .wav given to Nero v5.5, straight burn. No on the fly encoding, here ever. (no reason really, just stay w/old habits on this one, did try it once, didn't like results, wasn't interested enough to fix what if any bugs or other issues.) My buddy? Not sure, but his last year burn plays all day, his yesterday burn skips, farts, crackles, whatever, just like mine. I was pretty blown away. Certainly expected i was the only guy w/the problem and my prob was local. My use of Nero? We all know the cool things u can do with nero and my habit is to take defaults on audio cd's and the problem audio cd's i'm speaking of (for me, but coinicidently for my buddy as well) I'm not using cd text or anything like that. So for the end of it, all my gear is accounted for, looking for a chat thread, all settings and setup is square, no 'options' to consider to turn off/on allready done, thanks for the thoughts, let's keep this on is/has anyone else in their regular burning procedures have seen anything like this is what I'm getting at. I'm not sure what to think, I was on a hardware failure discovery mode until my buddy ended up with the same result, oh and most important, my mp3's are made from my own store bought cd's, audio caps from videos bought or from fair use video. So, that part isn't in question or a factor. And if I can't simply make a mix cd of tunes/singles from store bought cd's on my computer, there indeed is serious problems. RIAA/Computer companies now screwing me because they're getting screwed (or have) IS NOT MY PROBLEM. I'm posting as a legal joe here, no kidding, no crap. (btw- somethin' else worthwhile normal to mention i forgot, can't remember.) So, for conversation only cause i'd be posting here anyway in another two days if my burner switch out doesn't work, and I KNOW this backup burner has definitely made me mix cd's that PLAY no problem in the past. So, I'll be happy to post for anyone who wants to hear. Has anyone seen/heard/know of anything like this? Know the basics, spend my computing time in other areas of interest, this is the first time I've ever even had to think about it since the first days of learning how to make an audio cd, tweaking fixing anything to get one done and covering the basics of learning what I needed to know to do it. This is not operator error. Hdw error? Possible, but what about my buddy? We both picked up on a store bought machine, 1.5 yrs old, on both, same exact identical no kidding hdw. Thanks for reading, jdc |
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Life was too short to make it to the end of this novel, but it starts with
the incorrect premise that audio and data CDs are the same - they are no longer so. Audio CDs are intended to work with stand-alone writers for which purpose the materials used are optimised to record at low speeds including the 1x speed at which stand alone recorders usually operate. Data CDs on the other hand have to work with hardware that can write at speeds of up to 52x. The media that is capable of being written at 1x is incapable of being written at 52x and vice versa. -- Graham Mayor jdc_tech wrote: Hi all, not a regular but i'm going to propose a situation for chat/talk, etc. First off, we all see at best buy the 'audio' blank cdr's that are basicly the computer cdr's with a different package label. For the audio-files, we're just talking here that in basic, they're the same cd's. As in if anyone ever told you otherwise, look farther into it, most guys that been around know those cd's are simply the same blank cdr's you find for sale in the computer section. Ok, with that said. Me and a buddy have come across an interesting situation. 2 Different machines, but with identical hardware, and 3 different cdr manufacturers (by label) for blank cdr's. So I burn a audio cd on xp, no big deal, been awhile since i had, yet, burned it, and now in trusty regular cd player(s), this audio cd skips but plays. Meanwhile I goto another brand of cdr (my gig was got a stack of chrome no label blanks from office max on a rebate, the imation's i usually buy went on sale at best buy the next week, so thought maybe the generics were junk and i'd be back in the high life with the imations. -ie just like the old days, just like i've been doing 5 yrs out of 10 yrs of pc computing.) and audio cd's now still won't play right. I've NEVER had a problem with burning an audio cd, PERIOD. Ok. So my buddy calls me up and says hey man, my burns are acting like yours, what's up? Said don't know, i've checked out my gear, even burned not under xp but under w2k on same hardware and said, dunno, my 2nd test has now failed too. Prior to hearing my buddy having probs, for me, was considering perhaps my burner is wearing out (never had one that did, but know they're rated at so many 1000's of burning hours, and I've been pretty active w/backups last 3 months), and I got another upto date burner in another machine, so was allready on the path my prob was certainly weird, but 'certainly' local. So, for this post, the burner switchout and test is to come, and the box i burn on i have multiboot w2k/xp, so as before when i thought xp might have a bug in it (and maybe I introduced, the image is 6 months old, i've installed alot) that i can reboot and do things under w2k. My w2k image is at least 1yr old, and it was that long since i even made an audio cd that at least i know it's a good benchmark os load of when it did work. After all this, bases are covered, and if easy enough to read, the idea is this- Does anyone have any experience or seen that for in the market place the cd makers have actually done something to which they will try to steer comp people into buying a whole stack of audio cd's (and just for that purpose) with the blank data cdr's that we've been so accustom to buying, using, and burning for both and all regular purposes? I don't care much about conspiracy as much as my wallet. If times are changing, i had no reason to investigate earlier, and i was on the path that step by step was on way to discovering my local problem, yet, my buddy who has bought two stacks of blank cd's and and audio he burned last yr, and now that that stack was done and a new stack was bought, that last yrs audio cd works in any player, or chosen player, but now he's seeing the same result i am where a 'new' stack of cds all of a sudden has problems? I also have a last years audio cd that plays great, anyplayer, yet my new burns (new cdr blank stock), all of a sudden -problems? (the prob for me is the tracks skip but song still plays yet doesn't restart the tune or cd, and some background hiss/scratch depending on tune, and song hangs, -like a 'stuck' tune.) Me? My procedure is the same and will toss out names for those interested, and hasn't changed for at least 3 yrs. Mp3's decoded to .wav (via MpegSuite), and .wav given to Nero v5.5, straight burn. No on the fly encoding, here ever. (no reason really, just stay w/old habits on this one, did try it once, didn't like results, wasn't interested enough to fix what if any bugs or other issues.) My buddy? Not sure, but his last year burn plays all day, his yesterday burn skips, farts, crackles, whatever, just like mine. I was pretty blown away. Certainly expected i was the only guy w/the problem and my prob was local. My use of Nero? We all know the cool things u can do with nero and my habit is to take defaults on audio cd's and the problem audio cd's i'm speaking of (for me, but coinicidently for my buddy as well) I'm not using cd text or anything like that. So for the end of it, all my gear is accounted for, looking for a chat thread, all settings and setup is square, no 'options' to consider to turn off/on allready done, thanks for the thoughts, let's keep this on is/has anyone else in their regular burning procedures have seen anything like this is what I'm getting at. I'm not sure what to think, I was on a hardware failure discovery mode until my buddy ended up with the same result, oh and most important, my mp3's are made from my own store bought cd's, audio caps from videos bought or from fair use video. So, that part isn't in question or a factor. And if I can't simply make a mix cd of tunes/singles from store bought cd's on my computer, there indeed is serious problems. RIAA/Computer companies now screwing me because they're getting screwed (or have) IS NOT MY PROBLEM. I'm posting as a legal joe here, no kidding, no crap. (btw- somethin' else worthwhile normal to mention i forgot, can't remember.) So, for conversation only cause i'd be posting here anyway in another two days if my burner switch out doesn't work, and I KNOW this backup burner has definitely made me mix cd's that PLAY no problem in the past. So, I'll be happy to post for anyone who wants to hear. Has anyone seen/heard/know of anything like this? Know the basics, spend my computing time in other areas of interest, this is the first time I've ever even had to think about it since the first days of learning how to make an audio cd, tweaking fixing anything to get one done and covering the basics of learning what I needed to know to do it. This is not operator error. Hdw error? Possible, but what about my buddy? We both picked up on a store bought machine, 1.5 yrs old, on both, same exact identical no kidding hdw. Thanks for reading, jdc |
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Audio CDRs are different from regualr cdr. The consumer dual deck cd recorder/copiers, could only use Music CDRS. the music cdrs have some extra data on them basically tell the standalone burners its ok to use them. Regualr CDRS would not work at all. As foar as PC use there is no difference other than the price. Audio CDrs were more expensive cause there was a royalty from each sale going to the recording industry. My liteon sandalone dual deck burner does not care what kind of cdr you use to copy so i guess they dropped the standard. |
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"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
Life was too short to make it to the end of this novel, -Maybe, but i'm a thorough kinda guy, be nice now, at least leave a but it starts with the incorrect premise that audio and data CDs are the same - they are no longer so. Audio CDs are intended to work with stand-alone writers... I'll buy that, allready collected a few FAQ's to bone up on what i hadn't since I'm not a cdr expert don't really care to be and like stated, didn't have to re-readup til now. Do appreciate the reply, next time, don't repost orig msg, delete it, like here. Also, came across one interesting thing out of my whole setup, -writing speed. I seriously didn't think of that til last, and even after this post. And (note, to self), my source cdr's are the 48x, so with those two 'items' perhaps i'll burn something new besides (basicly) a coaster. But between speed type and writing speed don't believe we've actually solved any kind of difference between audio and data cdr's. Point being audio is better (and properly) burnt at the slower speed. Fine by me. Thanks for the help, jdc |
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jdc_tech wrote:
"Graham Mayor" wrote in message Do appreciate the reply, next time, don't repost orig msg, delete it, like here. You mean you didn't want your message propagating after all that effort But between speed type and writing speed don't believe we've actually solved any kind of difference between audio and data cdr's. Point being audio is better (and properly) burnt at the slower speed. Fine by me. The differences are crucial enough if your writer will not write at the speeds at which the discs were intended to be used. One will work, the other won't. For modern high speed writers, stick to compatible data discs. leave the audio discs for those whose writers cannot cope with the latest media formulations and for those with stand-alone writers. -- Graham Mayor |
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:51:13 -0400, heihachi
wrote: Audio CDRs are different from regualr cdr. The consumer dual deck cd recorder/copiers, could only use Music CDRS. the music cdrs have some extra data on them basically tell the standalone burners its ok to use them. Regualr CDRS would not work at all. As foar as PC use there is no difference other than the price. Audio CDrs were more expensive cause there was a royalty from each sale going to the recording industry. My liteon sandalone dual deck burner does not care what kind of cdr you use to copy so i guess they dropped the standard. The optimum speed for writing general-purpose CDs continues to increase. Burning TOO SLOW can give errors. The advice for burning an audio CD used to be "use a low speed". No longer. Experiment and find an optimum speed for your burner, your media. |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:51:13 -0400, heihachi wrote: The optimum speed for writing general-purpose CDs continues to increase. Burning TOO SLOW can give errors. The advice for burning an audio CD used to be "use a low speed". No longer. Experiment and find an optimum speed for your burner, your media. Good advice, but you need to differentiate between audio disc media and data disc media containing CD audio. The audio spec discs that this thread was about are only going to be burnable in the lower speed ranges, as they must maintain compatibility with the stand alone writers for which they are intended. -- Graham Mayor |
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K2 wrote:
If you have Nero, their "Nero InfoTool" shows what company actually manufactured a disc (behind the brand name). I don't know how that might differentiate between the "audio" and regular types, though. Technically, it shows which company manufactured the glass master used to stamp out the blank disc. The actual manufacturer and dye used may be different from what's encoded on the glass master. See also: Subject: [2-38] What's an ATIP? Subject: [2-33] Who *really* made this CD-R blank? (html) http://www.cdrfaq.org/ (html) http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cdrom/cd-recordable/part1/ (text) ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-gro...drom.hardware/ -- Send mail to (Andy McFadden) - http://www.fadden.com/ CD-Recordable FAQ - http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CiderPress Apple II archive utility for Windows - http://www.faddensoft.com/ Fight Internet Spam - http://spam.abuse.net/spam/ & http://spamcop.net/ |
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