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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
"Daniel Lenski" wrote in message et
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:15:44 +0000, Arno Wagner wrote: Still, basically the BIOS manufacurers or customizers messed up badly here. Yeah, seems like it :-( I still haven't found any BIOS that actually supports spinning up a SATA disk. And for a PATA disk, the only easy way to rescue it is with the utility by Svend Olaf Mikkelsen, which he helpfully pointed out to me: http://www.partitionsupport.com/advancednotes.htm He did? I must have missed that. Dan |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
"Arno Wagner" wrote in message
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Dan Lenski wrote: [...] I'd also like to poke the freakin' BIOS vendors with a clue stick and tell them to support this feature... but that's probably a lost cause, right? Very likely. These people believe they know what they are doing, which is the worst kind of incompetence. So that's where you are coming from, babblebot. Arno |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
"Maxim S. Shatskih" wrote in message
The whole thing is kind of amazing: toggling the "power up in standby" feature caused the BIOS of *three* desktop computers to pronounce the drive dead, and to freeze when booting. A clear sign of bad industry support of this (S)ATA feature, especially for laptop drives. For SCSI drives, their SCSI BIOSes can send START STOP UNIT (the similar SCSI command) at boot for very long times, and the drive can be mechanically jumpered to "no spin at powerup". This is because spinning up a SCSI drive imposes significant load to the PSU, so, it is a good idea to delay its spinup until after the BIOS self-tests, That is utter nonsense. while the (S)ATA drives will be spinned up and power up. This reduces the PSU power load. Like there is any difference with sata drives spinning up. But this is relevant for "heavy" SCSI drives only, Utterly clueless. not relevant for a laptop drive. That's why - IMHO - the industry support for a feature is bad on (S)ATA. Waffle. * why isn't this feature marked as DANGEROUS in the hdparm manual :-) ? Hey, it's open source, mark yourself and tell the maintainer :-) * is there a way to issue raw commands to a drive from Linux (maybe via /sys) without recompiling the kernel? Try FreeBSD and "camcontrol". |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:05:03 +0200, Folkert Rienstra wrote:
And for a PATA disk, the only easy way to rescue it is with the utility by Svend Olaf Mikkelsen, which he helpfully pointed out to me: http://www.partitionsupport.com/advancednotes.htm He did? I must have missed that. Yeah, I accidentally hit "reply via email" to him, and he replied in kind. I'm still getting the hang of this here newsreader thingy Dan |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:22:32 +0000, Daniel Lenski wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:15:44 +0000, Arno Wagner wrote: Still, basically the BIOS manufacurers or customizers messed up badly here. Yeah, seems like it :-( I still haven't found any BIOS that actually supports spinning up a SATA disk. And for a PATA disk, the only easy way to rescue it is with the utility by Svend Olaf Mikkelsen, which he helpfully pointed out to me: http://www.partitionsupport.com/advancednotes.htm Okay, to wrap things up: there *is* a utility, in the form of a boot floppy or CD, which can turn off "power-up in standby mode" for any PATA/SATA drive. It was helpfully released by Mark Lord who wrote the Linux kernel patch--as well as hdparm itself--and can be found on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=136732 Dan |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
"Daniel Lenski" wrote in message et
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:15:44 +0000, Arno Wagner wrote: Still, basically the BIOS manufacurers or customizers messed up badly here. Yeah, seems like it :-( I still haven't found any BIOS that actu- ally supports spinning up a SATA disk. But you did for PATA? And for a PATA disk, the only easy way to rescue it is with the utility by Svend Olaf Mikkelsen, Works fine for SATA too, except maybe that the SATA controller should support ATA compatability mode (support M/S) for Findpart to work. That is if Findpart actually uses PM, PS, SM and SS and isn't translating that to BIOS device numbers anyway in which case it doesn't matter. which he helpfully pointed out to me: You mean, I did that, don't you? http://www.partitionsupport.com/advancednotes.htm Dan |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
"Dan Lenski" wrote in message et
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:05:03 +0200, Folkert Rienstra wrote: And for a PATA disk, the only easy way to rescue it is with the utility by Svend Olaf Mikkelsen, which he helpfully pointed out to me: http://www.partitionsupport.com/advancednotes.htm He did? I must have missed that. Yeah, I accidentally hit "reply via email" to him, and he replied in kind. Uhuh. And obviously he replied long before I gave you that re- ference, making my effort finding it for you totally worthless. I'm still getting the hang of this here newsreader thingy No kidding. Dan |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:16:28 +0200, Folkert Rienstra wrote:
Uhuh. And obviously he replied long before I gave you that re- ference, making my effort finding it for you totally worthless. Sorry about that. But the other info you've been provided has been very helpful, and hopefully others with the same problem with come across this thread. I'm still getting the hang of this here newsreader thingy No kidding. Ouch! Dan |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
Hitachi provides some tools for hard disks made by Hitachi. The link
for download is http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm Hsing On Jun 5, 12:09 pm, Daniel Lenski wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:22:32 +0000, Daniel Lenski wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:15:44 +0000, Arno Wagner wrote: Still, basically the BIOS manufacurers or customizers messed up badly here. Yeah, seems like it :-( I still haven't found any BIOS that actually supports spinning up a SATA disk. And for a PATA disk, the only easy way to rescue it is with the utility by Svend Olaf Mikkelsen, which he helpfully pointed out to me: http://www.partitionsupport.com/advancednotes.htm Okay, to wrap things up: there *is* a utility, in the form of a boot floppy or CD, which can turn off "power-up in standby mode" for any PATA/SATA drive. It was helpfully released by Mark Lord who wrote the Linux kernel patch--as well as hdparm itself--and can be found on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...roup_id=136732 Dan |
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Failure of brand new drive... possibly due to staggered spinup?
Hi,
I have similar problem with two Western Digital WD3200KD SATA drives and "power up in standby" propety set. I've attached disks to the Highpoint RocketRAID 2320 and in the card setup utility turnded the Staggered Spinup On. While inicialized by the card, they spin up and detect correctly by the card bios, but in system (WinSrv2k3, Ubuntu) are not visible. Disabling Staggered spinup in card's bios utility makes no effect and I found no other way to disable it. I've tryed Mark Lord's bootable CD and made few tests: (disks were now attached to Silicon Image 3114 controller) Test 1: - start PC, Mark's CD spins up disks, reset PC, boot to Windows - disk were detected correctly and work fine Test 2: - start PC, Mark's CD spins up disks, reset PC, boot to Ubuntu 2.6.20.16 - disk were detected correctly and work fine but hdparm -s0 doesn't work (probably because of missing patch in kernel): hdparm -s0 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb: spin-up: setting power-up in standby to 0 (off) HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(powerup_in_standby) failed: Input/output error Test 3: - start PC, boot to Ubuntu 2.6.22.rc4 - disks are spinned up by kernel but not identified (no /dev/sdx) so I can't even try hdparm Now I don't understand it at all ... Last chance was "findpart feature" from dos but only primary/secondary master/slave IDE can be addressed. So no chance for SATA (?). Anyone have an idea what else should I try to disable the power up in standby? I've been testing it last four days with no success. Thanx Ales Dvorak |
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