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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
A friend wanted to recover files from an old 2 1/2" HDD so I went over
with my USB to SATA/IDE gizmo. I'd used another version of this for 3 1/2" drives, and a 2 1/2 IDE drive, but I had looked at this one and it has a little SATA connector on it. The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. In a rare example of flauning my wealth, I had bought two makes of this device, but the other one has an identical connector!!! The first one doesn't even have a brandname, only a model, ADA-2020 and the second one is Inland All of these in the first two rows except the one with the red plug are like mine: https://www.google.com/search?q=ADA-...1680&bi h=834 The relevant connector is seen in the top left one, the black thing at the top middle of the blue part. https://www.google.com/search?q&tbm=...4Q9C8ICQ&dpr=1 Here's a bigger pictu https://www.amazon.com/GEARXS-COM-AD...ct_top?ie=UTF8 The relevant part looks the same on the other one. Here is the other one though the picture is not worth looking at: http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...USB_20_adapter |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
On 9/27/2016 4:13 PM, micky wrote:
The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. Clarify please. When you write 'it still didn't fit' were you referring to connecting the drive's connector to the adapter's connector? If the 2.5" drive came out of a notebook, highly likely, it _may_ be fitted with an adapter that interfaces between the computer and the drive. These adapters used to be really common but I don't know what is being done with newer systems. Worth a look anyway. |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
On 9/27/2016 3:13 PM, micky wrote:
A friend wanted to recover files from an old 2 1/2" HDD so I went over with my USB to SATA/IDE gizmo. I'd used another version of this for 3 1/2" drives, and a 2 1/2 IDE drive, but I had looked at this one and it has a little SATA connector on it. The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. In a rare example of flauning my wealth, I had bought two makes of this device, but the other one has an identical connector!!! The first one doesn't even have a brandname, only a model, ADA-2020 and the second one is Inland All of these in the first two rows except the one with the red plug are like mine: https://www.google.com/search?q=ADA-...1680&bi h=834 The relevant connector is seen in the top left one, the black thing at the top middle of the blue part. https://www.google.com/search?q&tbm=...4Q9C8ICQ&dpr=1 Here's a bigger pictu https://www.amazon.com/GEARXS-COM-AD...ct_top?ie=UTF8 The relevant part looks the same on the other one. Here is the other one though the picture is not worth looking at: http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...USB_20_adapter Sounds like your friend has a mini or micro sata hard drive. See if a Google search for "mini sata adapter usb" (minus the quotes) and see if one of those SATA to USB cables does what you want. Yes this kind of adapter does supply the power directly from the USB port for the smaller (micro) SATA internal drives. |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
micky wrote:
A friend wanted to recover files from an old 2 1/2" HDD so I went over with my USB to SATA/IDE gizmo. I'd used another version of this for 3 1/2" drives, and a 2 1/2 IDE drive, but I had looked at this one and it has a little SATA connector on it. The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. In a rare example of flauning my wealth, I had bought two makes of this device, but the other one has an identical connector!!! The first one doesn't even have a brandname, only a model, ADA-2020 and the second one is Inland All of these in the first two rows except the one with the red plug are like mine: https://www.google.com/search?q=ADA-...1680&bi h=834 The relevant connector is seen in the top left one, the black thing at the top middle of the blue part. https://www.google.com/search?q&tbm=...4Q9C8ICQ&dpr=1 Here's a bigger pictu https://www.amazon.com/GEARXS-COM-AD...ct_top?ie=UTF8 The relevant part looks the same on the other one. Here is the other one though the picture is not worth looking at: http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...USB_20_adapter Maybe you need to run a regular SATA data cable, from the dongle to the drive. Then, plug in the provided power connector ? That may leave a bit more room to work. MicroSATA is normally used on 1.8" drives. The 2.5" and 3.5" drives use the same SATA connector. Paul |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:26:07 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-10 you wrote:
On 9/27/2016 4:13 PM, micky wrote: The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. Clarify please. When you write 'it still didn't fit' were you referring to connecting the drive's connector to the adapter's connector? Right. I should have said that it is too wide, and I'm not sure the L went the right way, and there was not a lot of light, I'm not sure the copper contacts were in the right place, almost like both the drive connector and adapter connector were male. All in all, the little rectangular area (sticking out of the blue part in those pictures) would not push into the area around the data connector contacts on the drive, even a little, let alone stay connected. . If the 2.5" drive came out of a notebook, highly likely, it _may_ be fitted with an adapter that interfaces between the computer and the drive. These adapters used to be really common but I don't know what is being done with newer systems. Worth a look anyway. It came out of a laptop at least. Notebook, I don't know. I'll go over again in a few days. I don't know if my young friend is gentle enough to suggest he separate what might be an adapter and what might be part of the drive! I don't have 2.5 but let me try this adapter on 3.5.... Hey, it doesn't fit that either. How can that be? Let me try the other adapter. It's the same but wait..... It has an additional part!!! A cable! A female to female cable. Now it works. How come the other didn't have a cable? .... Oh, because it's the standard cable. I even bought some spare ones at a hamfest. Boy do I feel stupid. I'm sorry if I wasted the time of all of you. They could have included a short little cable like the second kit did, but not everyone is as dense as I am. |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
micky wrote:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:26:07 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-10 you wrote: On 9/27/2016 4:13 PM, micky wrote: The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. Clarify please. When you write 'it still didn't fit' were you referring to connecting the drive's connector to the adapter's connector? Right. I should have said that it is too wide, and I'm not sure the L went the right way, and there was not a lot of light, I'm not sure the copper contacts were in the right place, almost like both the drive connector and adapter connector were male. All in all, the little rectangular area (sticking out of the blue part in those pictures) would not push into the area around the data connector contacts on the drive, even a little, let alone stay connected. . If the 2.5" drive came out of a notebook, highly likely, it _may_ be fitted with an adapter that interfaces between the computer and the drive. These adapters used to be really common but I don't know what is being done with newer systems. Worth a look anyway. It came out of a laptop at least. Notebook, I don't know. I'll go over again in a few days. I don't know if my young friend is gentle enough to suggest he separate what might be an adapter and what might be part of the drive! I don't have 2.5 but let me try this adapter on 3.5.... Hey, it doesn't fit that either. How can that be? Let me try the other adapter. It's the same but wait..... It has an additional part!!! A cable! A female to female cable. Now it works. How come the other didn't have a cable? .... Oh, because it's the standard cable. I even bought some spare ones at a hamfest. Boy do I feel stupid. I'm sorry if I wasted the time of all of you. They could have included a short little cable like the second kit did, but not everyone is as dense as I am. Could it be a SAS drive? http://www.scsita.org/serial-storage...by-design.html |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
Paul in Houston TX wrote:
micky wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:26:07 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-10 you wrote: On 9/27/2016 4:13 PM, micky wrote: The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. Clarify please. When you write 'it still didn't fit' were you referring to connecting the drive's connector to the adapter's connector? Right. I should have said that it is too wide, and I'm not sure the L went the right way, and there was not a lot of light, I'm not sure the copper contacts were in the right place, almost like both the drive connector and adapter connector were male. All in all, the little rectangular area (sticking out of the blue part in those pictures) would not push into the area around the data connector contacts on the drive, even a little, let alone stay connected. . If the 2.5" drive came out of a notebook, highly likely, it _may_ be fitted with an adapter that interfaces between the computer and the drive. These adapters used to be really common but I don't know what is being done with newer systems. Worth a look anyway. It came out of a laptop at least. Notebook, I don't know. I'll go over again in a few days. I don't know if my young friend is gentle enough to suggest he separate what might be an adapter and what might be part of the drive! I don't have 2.5 but let me try this adapter on 3.5.... Hey, it doesn't fit that either. How can that be? Let me try the other adapter. It's the same but wait..... It has an additional part!!! A cable! A female to female cable. Now it works. How come the other didn't have a cable? .... Oh, because it's the standard cable. I even bought some spare ones at a hamfest. Boy do I feel stupid. I'm sorry if I wasted the time of all of you. They could have included a short little cable like the second kit did, but not everyone is as dense as I am. Could it be a SAS drive? http://www.scsita.org/serial-storage...by-design.html Missed the last few sentences of your post about the cable. Glad you got it working. |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:39:55 -0500, Paul in
Houston TX wrote: Paul in Houston TX wrote: micky wrote: On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:26:07 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-10 you wrote: On 9/27/2016 4:13 PM, micky wrote: The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. Clarify please. When you write 'it still didn't fit' were you referring to connecting the drive's connector to the adapter's connector? Right. I should have said that it is too wide, and I'm not sure the L went the right way, and there was not a lot of light, I'm not sure the copper contacts were in the right place, almost like both the drive connector and adapter connector were male. All in all, the little rectangular area (sticking out of the blue part in those pictures) would not push into the area around the data connector contacts on the drive, even a little, let alone stay connected. . If the 2.5" drive came out of a notebook, highly likely, it _may_ be fitted with an adapter that interfaces between the computer and the drive. These adapters used to be really common but I don't know what is being done with newer systems. Worth a look anyway. It came out of a laptop at least. Notebook, I don't know. I'll go over again in a few days. I don't know if my young friend is gentle enough to suggest he separate what might be an adapter and what might be part of the drive! I don't have 2.5 but let me try this adapter on 3.5.... Hey, it doesn't fit that either. How can that be? Let me try the other adapter. It's the same but wait..... It has an additional part!!! A cable! A female to female cable. Now it works. How come the other didn't have a cable? .... Oh, because it's the standard cable. I even bought some spare ones at a hamfest. Boy do I feel stupid. I'm sorry if I wasted the time of all of you. They could have included a short little cable like the second kit did, but not everyone is as dense as I am. Could it be a SAS drive? http://www.scsita.org/serial-storage...by-design.html No, it has the key, the L-shaped part. But I'm glad to know about Serial Attached SCSI, in case I come across it. Missed the last few sentences of your post about the cable. Well, I missed the cable in the second kit. I looked at the second kit, saw the cable (that didn't come with the first one) and just wondered about it instead of finding out what it was for. And of course since the drive in question came out of a laptop, it didn't have any cable. Glad you got it working. Thanks. |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 18:27:40 -0400, Paul wrote:
micky wrote: A friend wanted to recover files from an old 2 1/2" HDD so I went over with my USB to SATA/IDE gizmo. I'd used another version of this for 3 1/2" drives, and a 2 1/2 IDE drive, but I had looked at this one and it has a little SATA connector on it. The power connector fit, but when it was plugged in the USB/data connector had no room. So maybe there is power in the data connector too. But even when the power connector was out, it still didn't fit. In a rare example of flauning my wealth, I had bought two makes of this device, but the other one has an identical connector!!! The first one doesn't even have a brandname, only a model, ADA-2020 and the second one is Inland All of these in the first two rows except the one with the red plug are like mine: https://www.google.com/search? q=ADA-2020&num=100&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0 ahUKEwiLz6LSorDPAhVMGz4KHSCIBfYQsAQIOQ&biw=1680&bi h=834 The relevant connector is seen in the top left one, the black thing at the top middle of the blue part. https://www.google.com/search?q&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg% 3ACbsl9UpL3gd5Ijheh7ar3QAOUbNHqpzVt1ArK0a- JAfbWTaMESLLs0s2jGH_1to_1z3XTxCyWzWdx3yKv5PXsrD2MJ uioSCV6HtqvdAA5REb--P2c- Z7P7KhIJs0eqnNW3UCsRZMlkQ9B8f_1cqEgkrRr4kB9tZNhGta MPS5gltOyoSCYwRIsuzSzaMEXO7qbYIYG- HKhIJYf-2j_1PddPERdhrzFYmRJ9sqEgkLJbNZ3HfIqxHta3N0L1HDkSoS Cfk9eysPYwm6EftueFtbzrSw&tbo=u&bih=834&biw=1680&ve d=0ahUKEwij19vzo7DPAhWBOT4KHZsZBy4Q9C8ICQ&dpr=1 Here's a bigger pictu https://www.amazon.com/GEARXS-COM-AD...earXS-Adapter- ADA2020OTB/dp/B003FFJN3M/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 The relevant part looks the same on the other one. Here is the other one though the picture is not worth looking at: http://www.microcenter.com/product/373131/3_in_1_SATA- IDE_to_USB_20_adapter Maybe you need to run a regular SATA data cable, from the dongle to the drive. Then, plug in the provided power connector ? That may leave a bit more room to work. MicroSATA is normally used on 1.8" drives. The 2.5" and 3.5" drives use the same SATA connector. I was trying to follow what was going on to try and figure out what the OP's problem was since I have a similar adapter bought from "Maplin Man" (so nicknamed on account the bulk of his electronic goodies consisted of Maplin's customer returns) in a local flea market for 4 or 5 quid. I actually bought a second one for good measure and as insurance against discovering why they may have been returned. As I understood it, the problem was a lack of the peripheral cables (a short SATA data cable and the SATA power cable???). Anyway, he sorted it and the point is now moot. However, none of the pictures were clear enough to indicate how the power connection options (SATA or 4 pin Molex) were implemented. I can only assume that a 12v wallwart feeds the adapter and a switching converter generates the 5 volts as per the Maplin one shown he http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/idesata-to-usb-20-a35fq Inconveniently, even when magnified the view of the sockets on the side don't make their nature very obvious to those unfamiliar with it in the flesh. As seen in the magnified image, the dark slot closest to the USB fly-lead end is the SATA data cable socket and the other socket showing a white glint is actually one of those 4 pin FDD power sockets into which you plug the combined 4 pin Molex and SATA power lead (the white glint is the plastic tongue of the FDD 4 pin power connector). Now I mention this because I eventually discovered why Maplin's customers had returned them. Initially, both units seemed to work just fine but I started noticing problems a few months down the line which seemed to be cured by unplugging and re-plugging the drive power cable into the converter's drive power socket. In the end, I realised the problem was simply due to "Designer Incompetence" since the FDD power connector simply wasn't able to handle the loading presented by 3 1/2 inch desktop drives and was suffering burnt contacts. My solution was simply to eliminate the FDD power connector altogether and solder the wires directly to the adapter's PCB in a move that would have made any self respecting penny pinching bean counter proud. Indeed, just for once, bean counter interference would have saved the day in cancelling out the designer's mistake. Not something I expected to ever see myself typing in my own lifetime. Once I'd fixed it, I never had any more anomalous behaviour again with working drives. The strange thing is, considering you had to plug the power lead into the same socket regardless, was why did they bother making that lead detachable when the adapter was already encumbered with a permanently attached USB fly-lead. One more fly-lead wouldn't have been a problem (it has to be plugged in *every* time it's used anyway). Anyhow, I have a feeling that other similar adapters may also be cursed with an FDD connector (possibly including the OP's one) and I figured those folk and owners of the Maplin one, who now have them stuffed in a drawer going unused due to poor reliability, would appreciate my experience in turning this particular pig's ear into a silk purse. :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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can't connect connector, USB to 2.5
Johnny B Good wrote:
I was trying to follow what was going on to try and figure out what the OP's problem was since I have a similar adapter bought from "Maplin Man" (so nicknamed on account the bulk of his electronic goodies consisted of Maplin's customer returns) in a local flea market for 4 or 5 quid. I actually bought a second one for good measure and as insurance against discovering why they may have been returned. As I understood it, the problem was a lack of the peripheral cables (a short SATA data cable and the SATA power cable???). Anyway, he sorted it and the point is now moot. However, none of the pictures were clear enough to indicate how the power connection options (SATA or 4 pin Molex) were implemented. I can only assume that a 12v wallwart feeds the adapter and a switching converter generates the 5 volts as per the Maplin one shown he http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/idesata-to-usb-20-a35fq Inconveniently, even when magnified the view of the sockets on the side don't make their nature very obvious to those unfamiliar with it in the flesh. As seen in the magnified image, the dark slot closest to the USB fly-lead end is the SATA data cable socket and the other socket showing a white glint is actually one of those 4 pin FDD power sockets into which you plug the combined 4 pin Molex and SATA power lead (the white glint is the plastic tongue of the FDD 4 pin power connector). Now I mention this because I eventually discovered why Maplin's customers had returned them. Initially, both units seemed to work just fine but I started noticing problems a few months down the line which seemed to be cured by unplugging and re-plugging the drive power cable into the converter's drive power socket. In the end, I realised the problem was simply due to "Designer Incompetence" since the FDD power connector simply wasn't able to handle the loading presented by 3 1/2 inch desktop drives and was suffering burnt contacts. My solution was simply to eliminate the FDD power connector altogether and solder the wires directly to the adapter's PCB in a move that would have made any self respecting penny pinching bean counter proud. Indeed, just for once, bean counter interference would have saved the day in cancelling out the designer's mistake. Not something I expected to ever see myself typing in my own lifetime. Once I'd fixed it, I never had any more anomalous behaviour again with working drives. The strange thing is, considering you had to plug the power lead into the same socket regardless, was why did they bother making that lead detachable when the adapter was already encumbered with a permanently attached USB fly-lead. One more fly-lead wouldn't have been a problem (it has to be plugged in *every* time it's used anyway). Anyhow, I have a feeling that other similar adapters may also be cursed with an FDD connector (possibly including the OP's one) and I figured those folk and owners of the Maplin one, who now have them stuffed in a drawer going unused due to poor reliability, would appreciate my experience in turning this particular pig's ear into a silk purse. :-) Normally, what happens with those 3-in-1 adapters, is the wall wart goes nuts and burns the drive. And a part of selecting them, is reading the reviews and making sure the adapter is fit for purpose. The price point dropped and dropped, until there was no money left for anything but the cheapest no-name adapter included in the kit. And doing the captive cable trick, is a favorite of mine too. I fixed a $5K instrument in the lab that way, after several timid repair attempts went no where fast. After the connectorized power was taken out of the failure path, that was the end of any power problems. Paul |
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