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I've reinstalled my system and my second drive (nonsystem) is not being
recognised by the system. I have two seperate harddrives in my machine. C: my system drive and D: my storage drive. Looking at disk management I have C: drive 163 gig. Healthy System. My other (D:drive) is showing up as 465gig UNALLOCATED. I'm pretty sure I did not format this drive. Is it possible get this drive back without destroying any data on it. I'm a photographer and have some very important files on it. I'm using Vista Home Premium. Please help me get this drive back. TIA |
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Maggy wrote:
I've reinstalled my system and my second drive (nonsystem) is not being recognised by the system. I have two seperate harddrives in my machine. C: my system drive and D: my storage drive. Looking at disk management I have C: drive 163 gig. Healthy System. My other (D:drive) is showing up as 465gig UNALLOCATED. I'm pretty sure I did not format this drive. Is it possible get this drive back without destroying any data on it. I'm a photographer and have some very important files on it. I'm using Vista Home Premium. Please help me get this drive back. TIA "Is it possible get this drive back without destroying any data on it." That depends on what happened to the drive. You're absolutely sure, there are two separate physical drives, only one partition per drive ? These aren't two partitions on the same physical drive ? Would your "reinstallation", have used a recovery partition on a prebuilt computer ? Some computers, come with a small hidden partition, and by pressing an F key at startup, you can have the C: drive reloaded to factory conditions. Or, alternately, you can burn recovery CD/DVD media, and use it for the same purpose. If that is the case, I'd want to know what the policy of that software is, with respect to partitions on the main drive. Does the owners manual describe the consequences of using the recovery function ? It would be illogical for it to wipe a data partition, and it should only be working on the C: drive. If there really are two physical disks, it is harder to explain why the installer would remove some information from a data drive. In terms of free tools, you could try TestDisk. There are also commercial data recovery tools, some of which will show you your files for free, but to recover the files, you pay the company a fee for that. Sort of a "try before you buy" form of software. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step Another alternative, would be to take the computer to a local shop, and have them work on it. If I was working on the drive in question, my first step would be to back up the drive to another drive. The purpose of doing that, is in case there is a problem with the recovery process. TestDisk, for example, is an "in-place" repair utility, meaning it works on your "live" data. Any mistakes made, while using it, could have permanent consequences. The other kinds of utilities, the data recovery kind, scavenge whatever they can find on your D: drive, and then ask to copy it to a separate drive. So a utility like that, presents less of a risk to the original drive. But a scavenger utility, may not get back as many files, as fixing a structural problem with a tool like TestDisk. HTH, Paul |
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Maggy wrote:
I've reinstalled my system and my second drive (nonsystem) is not being recognised by the system. I have two seperate harddrives in my machine. C: my system drive and D: my storage drive. Looking at disk management I have C: drive 163 gig. Healthy System. My other (D:drive) is showing up as 465gig UNALLOCATED. I'm pretty sure I did not format this drive. Is it possible get this drive back without destroying any data on it. I'm a photographer and have some very important files on it. I'm using Vista Home Premium. Please help me get this drive back. TIA Try to use disk management to assign a drive letter. It happens when your second drive is NTFS, and an old drive C. there is a drive letter conflict, and xp(vista?) responds by not assigning the second drive a drive letter. |
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Hello Paul, Let me explain further in more detail. (and thanks for the
reply) I bought this new off the shelf computer, a HP. That was my first mistake, Why? because they don't come with driver/chipset disks! (no disks at all) Having said that I must say that HP help and Support by phone is first class. It came bundled with pre-installed software mainly trial stuff I didn't really want. My biggest problem is that it also came with Vista Premium installed. I tried to give Vista a chance but in the end I just got sick and tired of all the permissions. Can't do this, can't do that, permission required, you don't have permision etc,etc... So, I tried reinstalling my XP os, Second mistake! No Chipset. This is when I deleted C: & D: partitions. I deleted the D: partion thinking it was the HP restore patition. Anyway I then let the XP disk format C: drive but I don't think it formatted D:, and install XP only to find I was in trouble not having any chipset disks. Not having the XP chipset and no way of getting it I finally deciided just to reinstall Vista from a backup I made earlier (3 cd's). So that takes me to where am now. My Vista system is reinstalled and working fine (still have to put up with Permission thing) but no second physical hard drive. Second physical harddrive showing up UNALLOCATED. I have many photo shoots on my unallocated drive, anthing I can do? TIA |
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Maggy wrote:
Hello Paul, Let me explain further in more detail. (and thanks for the reply) I bought this new off the shelf computer, a HP. That was my first mistake, Why? because they don't come with driver/chipset disks! (no disks at all) Having said that I must say that HP help and Support by phone is first class. Sometimes those systems will have a restore partition that can be used to restore the machine straight from BIOS. Ok, maybe not technically from BIOS, but it amounts to much the same--you don't have to boot any removable volume to make the restore. Moreover, there's probably a utility in your system that allows you to burn off restore disks from that partition. At a minimum, I would guess that feature is there, even if it's just using disc images on your "main" partition. It came bundled with pre-installed software mainly trial stuff I didn't really want. Once you have your restore discs straightened out, I recommend making a clean install. Unless the system just uses some honkin' disc image to make the restore, you should be able to run a Windows installer, with your product key, and start with a basic system. Sort out the drivers, bet the system up to date, and install only the applications you will want to use, and you're off and running. (Snag an image when you have it straightened out.) My biggest problem is that it also came with Vista Premium installed. I tried to give Vista a chance but in the end I just got sick and tired of all the permissions. Can't do this, can't do that, permission required, you don't have permision etc,etc... I can't fault you there. So, I tried reinstalling my XP os, Second mistake! No Chipset. This is when I deleted C: & D: partitions. I deleted the D: partion thinking it was the HP restore patition. I think we've discovered why your system thinks D is entirely unallocated. I suppose there are facilities for rebuilding the partition table. Do you know exactly what that partition, that you deleted, looked like? Anyway I then let the XP disk format C: drive but I don't think it formatted D:, and install XP only to find I was in trouble not having any chipset disks. That seems solvable. In spite of what you say below, you should be able to find drivers for your PC. Do you know that mainboard is in it? Not having the XP chipset and no way of getting it I finally deciided just to reinstall Vista from a backup I made earlier (3 cd's). So that takes me to where am now. My Vista system is reinstalled and working fine (still have to put up with Permission thing) but no second physical hard drive. Second physical harddrive showing up UNALLOCATED. I have many photo shoots on my unallocated drive, anthing I can do? I'm afraid I've not had any experience "undeleting" partitions, so I cannot recommend a tool I have used. c|net has one tools with a high user *and* editor rating: Arax Disk Doctor Data Recovery http://www.download.com/Arax-Disk-Do...dlPid=10636631 The free version will apparently show you files on your recovered partition, but will extract those smaller than 64K. $40 to buy the full version. There are *a lot* of recovery tools out there, so I would be hesitant to believe the marketing claims. Hopefully, someone can recommend a quality, inexpensive (or even free) tool for this application. Good luck. |
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Maggy wrote:
Hello Paul, Let me explain further in more detail. (and thanks for the reply) I bought this new off the shelf computer, a HP. That was my first mistake, Why? because they don't come with driver/chipset disks! (no disks at all) Having said that I must say that HP help and Support by phone is first class. It came bundled with pre-installed software mainly trial stuff I didn't really want. My biggest problem is that it also came with Vista Premium installed. I tried to give Vista a chance but in the end I just got sick and tired of all the permissions. Can't do this, can't do that, permission required, you don't have permision etc,etc... So, I tried reinstalling my XP os, Second mistake! No Chipset. This is when I deleted C: & D: partitions. I deleted the D: partion thinking it was the HP restore patition. Anyway I then let the XP disk format C: drive but I don't think it formatted D:, and install XP only to find I was in trouble not having any chipset disks. Not having the XP chipset and no way of getting it I finally deciided just to reinstall Vista from a backup I made earlier (3 cd's). So that takes me to where am now. My Vista system is reinstalled and working fine (still have to put up with Permission thing) but no second physical hard drive. Second physical harddrive showing up UNALLOCATED. I have many photo shoots on my unallocated drive, anthing I can do? TIA I still am not certain we are talking about two separate disks. It sounds like an HP computer with one hard drive, which had three partitions on it at one time, C, D, and a hidden recovery partition. (It isn't hidden, it just uses a partition type that doesn't show up on a Windows desktop.) Now, if you deleted C and D (I can see deleting D, by turning it into unallocated space, but deleting C while you're booted from it, sounds a bit more difficult). It is important to understand exactly what you've done, because it affects the disk layout. If you just deleted D, then the space D took is still there. You'd have C, unallocated, hidden_partition. If you managed to actually delete C and D, and then had an OS installer prepare the disk, it could make the new C take up all the space that the old C and D were using. And that would be more difficult to fix. I suspect you have C, unallocated, hidden_partition right now. If the new C is the same size as the old C, that would be good news. That then leaves the question, of what exactly does unallocated mean. It could mean, that the entry in the partition table is all that gets touched. It would be a matter of putting the entry back in the partition table. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Data_Recovery_Examples You would need to pick an environment to work in. For example, if you loaded TestDisk onto a DOS boot floppy, then there would be no OS running to interfere with the repair effort. Alternately, a Linux LiveCD could be used, and run TestDisk from that environment. I have Knoppix and Ubuntu here, and use them for little experiments. Another advantage of a Linux LiveCD setup, is I could probably manage to make a sector by sector backup of the disk, before working on it. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk To back up a disk in Linux, I'd use the "dd" disk dump command. The syntax would be something like this. While in Linux, you need to figure out the names of the devices, and that is the hardest part of doing this step right. dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb The brand new disk you purchase (hdb), should be exactly the same size as the old one, or slightly bigger. The only thing it cannot be, is smaller, as then some stuff on the end of hda would not get copied. That would not be a problem if you knew the end of the disk was empty, but I'd prefer to not take a chance. Just to prove how many disks are present in the machine, you should be able to look in Disk Management and see there, how many rows the partitions take. For example, on my current machine which has one hard drive, there are four primary partitions. This is what I see Disk 0 C: DATA D: KSTORE K: Basic FAT32 FAT32 74GB 19GB 19GB 18GB 18GB Healthy Healthy Healthy Healthy (System) So my physical single disk "Disk 0", has four partitions. C: is the boot drive, still FAT32 (never bothered to convert it). D: is the DATA partition. The third partition is for Linux Swap, and Windows doesn't know what it is. There is no file system as such. The fourth partition is also foreign, and is EXT2 storage for Linux. The partition label shows up, "KSTORE", the size is known, but again, Windows disavows knowledge of foreign file systems. I suspect when you go into disk management, you're going to see something similar. Only your middle section of the row, is going to have the "unallocated" part. I suspect TestDisk can put it back for free, or you can spend money on the many programs I could find when I looked for "restore deleted partition" with a search engine. By the way, I'm an amateur at this, and all I can outline is the approach I'd use if this was my disk. 1) Don't be in a hurry. Gather as many suggestions as you can first. 2) I personally prefer to back up the damaged media first. This is based on a trivial experience I got years ago at work. I had a damaged disk. The group I was in designed both computer hardware and software (we designed our own OS), and we had a recovery program written by staff available. I used it, and it was supposed to copy the duplicate disk structure, to repair the bad structure. Instead, what it did, is copy the bad structure over top of the good structure, forever erasing the information on the disk. (It would have taken too long to find all the data by hand, so I gave up on it.) I learned from this, don't trust any utility that does "in-place" repairs. That would include TestDisk, as it is an "in-place" repair utility. TestDisk does not use a second disk, to scavenge data. 3) Once the backup copy is made, then I could afford to experiment with TestDisk. There are also other USENET groups, some of which specialize in storage and hard drives. You could also post your question there if you want. Or even in a WinXP or Vista group for that matter. Judging by the information here, the capabilities of Vista allow lots of damage to be done. Resizing partitions would make quite a mess to clean up, if you wanted to put stuff back later. If you've done something like that, well, that would be out of my league. http://www.vista4beginners.com/How-t...anagement-tool HTH, Paul |
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"Maggy" wrote in message ... Hello Paul, Let me explain further in more detail. (and thanks for the reply) I bought this new off the shelf computer, a HP. That was my first mistake, Why? because they don't come with driver/chipset disks! (no disks at all) Having said that I must say that HP help and Support by phone is first class. It came bundled with pre-installed software mainly trial stuff I didn't really want. My biggest problem is that it also came with Vista Premium installed. I tried to give Vista a chance but in the end I just got sick and tired of all the permissions. Can't do this, can't do that, permission required, you don't have permision etc,etc... So, I tried reinstalling my XP os, Second mistake! No Chipset. This is when I deleted C: & D: partitions. I deleted the D: partion thinking it was the HP restore patition. Anyway I then let the XP disk format C: drive but I don't think it formatted D:, and install XP only to find I was in trouble not having any chipset disks. Not having the XP chipset and no way of getting it I finally deciided just to reinstall Vista from a backup I made earlier (3 cd's). So that takes me to where am now. My Vista system is reinstalled and working fine (still have to put up with Permission thing) but no second physical hard drive. Second physical harddrive showing up UNALLOCATED. I have many photo shoots on my unallocated drive, anthing I can do? Now that you have given more info...I can see what you did. You specifically stated that you had all your data on the D: drive Then you specifically stated that you deleted your D: drive So I am not sure why you'd expect your data to still be there... you deleted it! That's the bad news. The good news is that you wisely did not format the D: drive had you attempted to anything at all with the drive, your data would be quite gone. What you need to do now is get a third party utility that has the ability to undelete or restore a deleted partition. A friend of mine did exactly the same thing you did and used Partition Magic to 100% restore the entire drive. So use Partition Magic or any other similar utility... but by no means do anything else to that drive. Finally: BACK UP YOUR DATA!!!!! |
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"philo" wrote in message ... "Maggy" wrote in message ... Hello Paul, Let me explain further in more detail. (and thanks for the reply) I bought this new off the shelf computer, a HP. That was my first mistake, Why? because they don't come with driver/chipset disks! (no disks at all) Having said that I must say that HP help and Support by phone is first class. It came bundled with pre-installed software mainly trial stuff I didn't really want. My biggest problem is that it also came with Vista Premium installed. I tried to give Vista a chance but in the end I just got sick and tired of all the permissions. Can't do this, can't do that, permission required, you don't have permision etc,etc... So, I tried reinstalling my XP os, Second mistake! No Chipset. This is when I deleted C: & D: partitions. I deleted the D: partion thinking it was the HP restore patition. Anyway I then let the XP disk format C: drive but I don't think it formatted D:, and install XP only to find I was in trouble not having any chipset disks. Not having the XP chipset and no way of getting it I finally deciided just to reinstall Vista from a backup I made earlier (3 cd's). So that takes me to where am now. My Vista system is reinstalled and working fine (still have to put up with Permission thing) but no second physical hard drive. Second physical harddrive showing up UNALLOCATED. I have many photo shoots on my unallocated drive, anthing I can do? Now that you have given more info...I can see what you did. You specifically stated that you had all your data on the D: drive Then you specifically stated that you deleted your D: drive No, I said I deleted the partition which resulted in making it unallocated. So I am not sure why you'd expect your data to still be there... you deleted it! That's the bad news. The good news is that you wisely did not format the D: drive had you attempted to anything at all with the drive, your data would be quite gone. What you need to do now is get a third party utility that has the ability to undelete or restore a deleted partition. A friend of mine did exactly the same thing you did and used Partition Magic to 100% restore the entire drive. So use Partition Magic or any other similar utility... but by no means do anything else to that drive. Finally: BACK UP YOUR DATA!!!!! I WILL! |
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What are you talking about? Laptop? what laptop? You really should read
posts before you answer them, saves making yourself look foolish. Anyway problem is now resolved, thanks to the others who did help. Maggy "kony" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:14:31 GMT, "Maggy" wrote: Hello Paul, Let me explain further in more detail. (and thanks for the reply) I bought this new off the shelf computer, a HP. That was my first mistake, Why? because they don't come with driver/chipset disks! (no disks at all) Having said that I must say that HP help and Support by phone is first class. It came bundled with pre-installed software mainly trial stuff I didn't really want. My biggest problem is that it also came with Vista Premium installed. I tried to give Vista a chance but in the end I just got sick and tired of all the permissions. Can't do this, can't do that, permission required, you don't have permision etc,etc... So, I tried reinstalling my XP os, Second mistake! No Chipset. This is when I deleted C: & D: partitions. I deleted the D: partion thinking it was the HP restore patition. Anyway I then let the XP disk format C: drive but I don't think it formatted D:, and install XP only to find I was in trouble not having any chipset disks. Not having the XP chipset and no way of getting it I finally deciided just to reinstall Vista from a backup I made earlier (3 cd's). So that takes me to where am now. My Vista system is reinstalled and working fine (still have to put up with Permission thing) but no second physical hard drive. Second physical harddrive showing up UNALLOCATED. I have many photo shoots on my unallocated drive, anthing I can do? TIA There was no reason to delete the D partition just to install XP. Now you need a software hard drive recovery program to scan the drive and save the files to (an equal amount of free space they took up) on a different drive. Did you look for XP drivers for your system on HP's website? If they are not there, note and list the specific drivers for Vista and the component make and model for each. A web search should come up with most if not all drivers for XP, certainly the one(s) for the motherboard chipset. There aren't a lot of chipsets out there for notebooks, most likely it's nVidia, Intel, or maybe ATI. If one of these three, cretainly their website will have XP driver(s)... remember HP does not make laptop chips, there isn't any driver that only exists from HP and not available elsewhere AFAIK, you just need to ID the chip then use that info to web search for the driver elsewhere. Another alternative is a websearch for your model of laptop + "XP", which tends to list forums where owners of it describe issues/resolutions they had switching from Vista to XP. |
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:14:31 GMT, "Maggy"
wrote: Hello Paul, Let me explain further in more detail. (and thanks for the reply) I bought this new off the shelf computer, a HP. That was my first mistake, Why? because they don't come with driver/chipset disks! (no disks at all) Having said that I must say that HP help and Support by phone is first class. It came bundled with pre-installed software mainly trial stuff I didn't really want. My biggest problem is that it also came with Vista Premium installed. I tried to give Vista a chance but in the end I just got sick and tired of all the permissions. Can't do this, can't do that, permission required, you don't have permision etc,etc... So, I tried reinstalling my XP os, Second mistake! No Chipset. This is when I deleted C: & D: partitions. I deleted the D: partion thinking it was the HP restore patition. Anyway I then let the XP disk format C: drive but I don't think it formatted D:, and install XP only to find I was in trouble not having any chipset disks. Not having the XP chipset and no way of getting it I finally deciided just to reinstall Vista from a backup I made earlier (3 cd's). So that takes me to where am now. My Vista system is reinstalled and working fine (still have to put up with Permission thing) but no second physical hard drive. Second physical harddrive showing up UNALLOCATED. I have many photo shoots on my unallocated drive, anthing I can do? TIA There was no reason to delete the D partition just to install XP. Now you need a software hard drive recovery program to scan the drive and save the files to (an equal amount of free space they took up) on a different drive. Did you look for XP drivers for your system on HP's website? If they are not there, note and list the specific drivers for Vista and the component make and model for each. A web search should come up with most if not all drivers for XP, certainly the one(s) for the motherboard chipset. There aren't a lot of chipsets out there for notebooks, most likely it's nVidia, Intel, or maybe ATI. If one of these three, cretainly their website will have XP driver(s)... remember HP does not make laptop chips, there isn't any driver that only exists from HP and not available elsewhere AFAIK, you just need to ID the chip then use that info to web search for the driver elsewhere. Another alternative is a websearch for your model of laptop + "XP", which tends to list forums where owners of it describe issues/resolutions they had switching from Vista to XP. |
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