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Blue Pill, TPM avoidance
"OSbandito" wrote in message ... Beginner planning to put together a new sys. Had been expecting to use AMD64 single-core w/ASUS mb but since learning of the Blue Pill hazard with processors using hardware virtualization (I think "VMM" refers to this), I'm thinking of going to an older processor design and an ASUS board which does not have TPM or DRM chips. These appear to have the potential for massive intrusiveness. My question is: what's a good, stable ASUS board to use with a low-wattage Athlon 32-bit processor and one of the Linux/BSD variants? ~Thanks Sounds like you need to pop a few blue pills yourself to take these strange ideas out of your head. The only way to keep your computer secure is to stay the hell away from the internet. Come to think of it that may be the way for you to go. |
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Beginner planning to put together a new sys. Had been expecting to use
AMD64 single-core w/ASUS mb but since learning of the Blue Pill hazard with processors using hardware virtualization (I think "VMM" refers to this), I'm thinking of going to an older processor design and an ASUS board which does not have TPM or DRM chips. These appear to have the potential for massive intrusiveness. My question is: what's a good, stable ASUS board to use with a low-wattage Athlon 32-bit processor and one of the Linux/BSD variants? ~Thanks |
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Blue Pill, TPM avoidance
OSbandito wrote in :
Beginner planning to put together a new sys. Had been expecting to use AMD64 single-core w/ASUS mb but since learning of the Blue Pill hazard with processors using hardware virtualization (I think "VMM" refers to this), I'm thinking of going to an older processor design and an ASUS board which does not have TPM or DRM chips. These appear to have the potential for massive intrusiveness. My question is: what's a good, stable ASUS board to use with a low-wattage Athlon 32-bit processor and one of the Linux/BSD variants? Put on your tinfoil hat and turn off the virtualization feature in your BIOS. -- ybbxvatyvxrnobeantnvayvivatyvxrnurergvpyvfgravatgb neguheyrrerpbeqfznxv atnyylbhesevraqfsrryfbthvyglnobhggurveplavpvfznaqg urerfgbsgurvetrareng vbaabgriragurtbireazragnertbaanfgbclbhabjohgnerlbh ernqlgborurnegoebxra |
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Blue Pill, TPM avoidance
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:38:32 -0500, OSbandito
wrote: Beginner planning to put together a new sys. Had been expecting to use AMD64 single-core w/ASUS mb but since learning of the Blue Pill hazard with processors using hardware virtualization (I think "VMM" refers to this), I'm thinking of going to an older processor design and an ASUS board which does not have TPM or DRM chips. These appear to have the potential for massive intrusiveness. My question is: what's a good, stable ASUS board to use with a low-wattage Athlon 32-bit processor and one of the Linux/BSD variants? ~Thanks Do you sleep with a gun under your pillow and have all your savings in gold bars hidden under your floorboards ? John Lewis |
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Can't afford the gold bars, but the guns real.
-- Zyp "John Lewis" wrote in message ... On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:38:32 -0500, OSbandito wrote: Beginner planning to put together a new sys. Had been expecting to use AMD64 single-core w/ASUS mb but since learning of the Blue Pill hazard with processors using hardware virtualization (I think "VMM" refers to this), I'm thinking of going to an older processor design and an ASUS board which does not have TPM or DRM chips. These appear to have the potential for massive intrusiveness. My question is: what's a good, stable ASUS board to use with a low-wattage Athlon 32-bit processor and one of the Linux/BSD variants? ~Thanks Do you sleep with a gun under your pillow and have all your savings in gold bars hidden under your floorboards ? John Lewis |
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Thanks to all for the thoughtful replies and the technical information I requested.
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In article , OSbandito
wrote: ******** Beginner planning to put together a new sys. Had been expecting to use AMD64 single-core w/ASUS mb but since learning of the Blue Pill hazard with processors using hardware virtualization (I think "VMM" refers to this), I'm thinking of going to an older processor design and an ASUS board which does not have TPM or DRM chips. These appear to have the potential for massive intrusiveness. My question is: what's a good, stable ASUS board to use with a low-wattage Athlon 32-bit processor and one of the Linux/BSD variants? ~Thanks ******** Thanks to all for the thoughtful replies and the technical information I requested. ******** The trustedcomputinggroup web site first appears on the archive in April 2003. On the website itself, it doesn't state when they started work on their project. http://web.archive.org/*/http://www....tinggroup.org/ https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/groups/tpm/ Their "articles of incorporation" document here, is dated Dec 2002. Which means any hardware made before Apr 2003 stands a good chance of not having any of this technology. https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.or...orporation.pdf There is a FAQ here, and they make it seem like a separate TPM chip on the motherboard is the only implementation method. Yet I've heard that the chipset itself could have such a feature, and it is not likely to be advertised. Datasheets for chipsets are not readily available (with the exception of Intel, and Intel only exposes as much info in their datasheets as they feel like). https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/faq/TPMFAQ/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing What that means is, it is pretty difficult to _guarantee_ that there is not a way to implement these functions without you knowing about it. Selecting a hardware product designed before the requirements were known, would be one way, but does that guarantee that there would not be a way to implement it in the future ? There is some other info here, if you want to read up on it. http://www.research.ibm.com/gsal/tcpa/tcpa_rebuttal.pdf http://www.13t.org/wintah/miscelanea...20Security.txt Virtualization is a separate issue, and a way to run multiple OSes on a computer at the same time, without the OSes being aware of one another. For AMD, this is called Pacifica, and for Intel Vanterpool. While virtualization will open up security holes, I don't think it has the same issues from a user perspective, that a Trusted Computing Platform presents. (A trusted computing platform can be used or abused, in the same way that nuclear power can generate electricity or can be used to build bombs.) To answer your question, you asked about Athlon, which to me implies something like AthlonXP Socket 462 32 bit processors. Motherboard availability would be limited, in terms of finding quality products. You may find products, but some will be DOA and some won't last as long as you would like. My personal preference would be for an Nforce2 chipset motherboard (I have an A7N8X-E Deluxe I like), but you are not going to find that particular one on a store shelf. Production of S462 chipsets has likely stopped some time ago, and that is one reason that motherboards would cease production, as well as the marketing department stopping production as there are few processors available to drive demand for motherboard products. If I had to choose, I'd probably go with the Epox EP-8RDA3+ PRO Socket A shown he http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=&srchInDesc= There are still some Semprons available here for S462: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...n=&srchInDesc= If using an Nforce2 chipset, I recommend booting with "noapic" option. That is what I use when booting my A7N8X-E with Knoppix. HTH, Paul |
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