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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
I bought a new Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows 7 installed. The
moment I opened it up, it went into its automatic setup procedure and installed Windows 7 from a recovery partition. There weren't many options available during setup (choose 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7, choose your language, and that's about it). It ended up creating the following disk structure on the drive: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/759/capturediskman.jpg Well, I was about to go and repartition it to my own preferences, when I discovered that all 4 primary partitions were taken up by the Toshiba setup. The first partition is 1.46GB is listed as the recovery partition, but it's probably a boot manager partition. Then there is the last partition, 527.65GB, which is the actual Windows partition. Then there are two mysterious hidden partitions, 24.44GB & 13.19GB, respectively. I called up Toshiba support to ask them what these were. They said that the 13.19GB partition is the place where they actually store the recovery data. The 24.44GB partition according to them is reserved for the volume shadow copy service (VSS), I think. Now, I have another machine running Windows 7, a desktop PC, and it doesn't have this separate partition for volume shadow copies. It has a retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate installed. I believe it stores the shadow copies directly within the same volume it's shadowing. I'm trying to reduce the size of the boot partition and free up space to add a Linux partition for dual-boot. But with the first 4 entries already used up in the primary partition table, I can't even add an extended partition for Linux to reside in. Thinking what the consequences of removing the VSS partition will be? I think VSS should work fine with or without the separate partition. Toshiba obviously said that they suggest leaving everything alone the way it is now, but of course they would say that. What's the opinion here? Yousuf Khan |
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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
So just format that 24.44GB partition and throw another operating system on
it. Yousuf Khan wrote: I bought a new Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows 7 installed. The moment I opened it up, it went into its automatic setup procedure and installed Windows 7 from a recovery partition. There weren't many options available during setup (choose 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7, choose your language, and that's about it). It ended up creating the following disk structure on the drive: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/759/capturediskman.jpg Well, I was about to go and repartition it to my own preferences, when I discovered that all 4 primary partitions were taken up by the Toshiba setup. The first partition is 1.46GB is listed as the recovery partition, but it's probably a boot manager partition. Then there is the last partition, 527.65GB, which is the actual Windows partition. Then there are two mysterious hidden partitions, 24.44GB & 13.19GB, respectively. I called up Toshiba support to ask them what these were. They said that the 13.19GB partition is the place where they actually store the recovery data. The 24.44GB partition according to them is reserved for the volume shadow copy service (VSS), I think. Now, I have another machine running Windows 7, a desktop PC, and it doesn't have this separate partition for volume shadow copies. It has a retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate installed. I believe it stores the shadow copies directly within the same volume it's shadowing. I'm trying to reduce the size of the boot partition and free up space to add a Linux partition for dual-boot. But with the first 4 entries already used up in the primary partition table, I can't even add an extended partition for Linux to reside in. Thinking what the consequences of removing the VSS partition will be? I think VSS should work fine with or without the separate partition. Toshiba obviously said that they suggest leaving everything alone the way it is now, but of course they would say that. What's the opinion here? Yousuf Khan -- The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper manners Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on the job for potty mouth, Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram. Ok get the next sucker on the phone. Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber) There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE, which one are you? Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake! El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!) I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three* fulltime jobs to afford either one of them I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a month VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat and out your arse sir? UBB = User based bullFROGGING Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the realm of understandability Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet |
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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
Yousuf Khan wrote:
I bought a new Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows 7 installed. The moment I opened it up, it went into its automatic setup procedure and installed Windows 7 from a recovery partition. There weren't many options available during setup (choose 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7, choose your language, and that's about it). It ended up creating the following disk structure on the drive: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/759/capturediskman.jpg Well, I was about to go and repartition it to my own preferences, when I discovered that all 4 primary partitions were taken up by the Toshiba setup. The first partition is 1.46GB is listed as the recovery partition, but it's probably a boot manager partition. Then there is the last partition, 527.65GB, which is the actual Windows partition. Then there are two mysterious hidden partitions, 24.44GB & 13.19GB, respectively. I called up Toshiba support to ask them what these were. They said that the 13.19GB partition is the place where they actually store the recovery data. The 24.44GB partition according to them is reserved for the volume shadow copy service (VSS), I think. Now, I have another machine running Windows 7, a desktop PC, and it doesn't have this separate partition for volume shadow copies. It has a retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate installed. I believe it stores the shadow copies directly within the same volume it's shadowing. I'm trying to reduce the size of the boot partition and free up space to add a Linux partition for dual-boot. But with the first 4 entries already used up in the primary partition table, I can't even add an extended partition for Linux to reside in. Thinking what the consequences of removing the VSS partition will be? I think VSS should work fine with or without the separate partition. Toshiba obviously said that they suggest leaving everything alone the way it is now, but of course they would say that. What's the opinion here? Yousuf Khan My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit. Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it. Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one, and install. Ed |
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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
With Bootit Bare Metal partition & boot manager, you can have lots of
primary partitions, but of course, only 4 active for one boot choice. I think you can only have one active extended partition, but of course with lots of volumes, any of which you can hide for a boot choice. It comes with an imaging program built in. PS Once you don't limit primary partitions, you must use only Bootit to alter partitions. -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Iraq Veterans Against the War and Related: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org http://antiwar.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
PS re Bootit.
The way I use it on my netbook is, I have an extended partition with various data volumes, then of course there's the factory restore partition, and the Bootit partition. I shrunk the original C: partition way down to 30 Gigs, and I have a copy of it as an alternate. I have images of C: in a volume that I update when changes are made to C:, so I can pull out of any difficulties by restoring, and the data is untouched, being on the volumes. Ta da! On the bootit site there are faq's about linux, plus there's a great newsgroup where you get really quick answers. It's a very geeky program. bootitng.com -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Iraq Veterans Against the War and Related: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org http://antiwar.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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Ed,
With Bootit Bare Metal partition & boot manager Might help to give a linkg http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.htm |
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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit. Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it. Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one, and install. Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or FAT-formatted. They seem to be proprietary. Yousuf Khan |
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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit. Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it. Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one, and install. Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or FAT-formatted. They seem to be proprietary. Have a look at the recent posts in the *.storage group, Andy goes into quite a bit of detail with his Toshiba Satellite and its likely using the same setup as yours. With his, those two partitions are for the diskless restore and what creates the restore CDs, I thought he might reply to you but then I remember that his Toshiba Satellite has just gone back to Toshiba for hard drive replacement and thats the only real PC he has. |
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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit. Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it. Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one, and install. Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or FAT-formatted. They seem to be proprietary. Yousuf Khan Use PTEDIT32 and get the partition type fields ? If run in Win7, use Run As Administrator, or you might see an "Error 5". ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...s/PTEDIT32.zip Another way to attempt to identify a partition like that, is with "Disktype". http://disktype.sourceforge.net/ To get that, you can boot a Ubuntu CD, open Synaptic Package manager, enable all the repositories, reload the repository info (lots of downloads, takes a minute or so), then in Synaptic package manager you can install the "disktype" package. Once in there, open a Terminal window and type sudo disktype /dev/sda2 That would check the second partition of hard drive "sda". It will then attempt to identify the partition type. The tool will even accept a file which holds a file system (like if you "dd" dump a partition into a file, if you feed it the file, it can also say what the file system is). As far as I know, there isn't a Windows version of "disktype". I see on the info page, it mentions Cygwin, but I don't have that here. HTH, Paul |
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New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7
On 02/04/2012 01:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote: On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit. Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it. Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one, and install. Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or FAT-formatted. They seem to be proprietary. Have a look at the recent posts in the *.storage group, Andy goes into quite a bit of detail with his Toshiba Satellite and its likely using the same setup as yours. With his, those two partitions are for the diskless restore and what creates the restore CDs, I thought he might reply to you but then I remember that his Toshiba Satellite has just gone back to Toshiba for hard drive replacement and thats the only real PC he has. Oh wow, so this discussion has already happened, and not that long ago either? I see the other thread in *.storage now. Looks like Andy Hancock had an almost identical sized hard disk as mine, it was setup in the same way. Anyways, it looks like I may have gotten my answer from Toshiba. When I called them, I expected to get the run-around from them, and they did for a while. They told me what the two mystery partitions are for: (1) recovery, and (2) Volume Shadow Service. But according to the other thread, they are for recovery, and language packs. I think the language packs makes more sense to me than the Volume Shadow Service. I then called them back and asked them to send me to their second-line engineers. And I told the second-line guy, point blank that I needed to install Linux on the box, and that he needed to tell me which of the partitions can be removed after backing up. So he figured I knew what I was doing, and so he told me that the 13 GB parition is the recovery partition, and that it can be backed up to DVD's and removed later. Toshiba furnishes an utility called the Toshiba Recovery Media Creator, which does the imaging for you. When the utility first starts, it asks you which language pack you want to back up (the choices are English and French in Canada, of course). You have to back up each language in separate actions, so you can do that, or just backup the one that's most relevant to you. Yousuf Khan |
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