Rebate class action suite

You really aren't much of a business person, are you?

Looking at the way you compose your posts, I don't know why that would
surprise me, though.


"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
...
no, silly, the customer just walks out the door and comes back again...
with the rebate they control how many units are sold to an individual at
the
after rebate price (they just don't pay the claim on the extra rebates to
the same address). of course you can get people that try to send rebates
to
their home, office, friends house, etc.. but it would certainly curb a
business from the practice of buying deeply discounted items and reselling
them. have you seen the many products on ebay that are 'brand new,
factory
sealed, with upc bar code removed from package'? people actually buy
products, claim the rebates, and then resell them... profiting from some
of
the incredible discounts offered by rebates... if they get paid that is.
unreputable vendors like pny only pay about 60% of the time and other
vendors simply go out of business before the rebates are paid (cyndyne is
a
recent example of this).

"Irene" wrote in message
...
Just how is some one supposed to make sense out of this:

i think you the point he was making was this: with a rebate program a
store can advertise a product at a very low after rebate price yet
limit
the number purchased by an individual at the low after rebate price
per
the terms of a rebate. if they just lowered the price without the use
of
a rebate then any individual could buy out the entire stock at the
reduced
price.

And now I will ask you the same question that I asked the other guy.

Doesn't placing a limit of one per customer on a sale item accomplish
the
same thing without the hassle of a mail in rebate?

I repeat the actual reasons for rebates were very accurately posted by
some
one else to this thread:

.......... People are attracted to
what they perceive as a bargain. Sellers rely on many buyers
not
bothering to redeem coupons or jump through
the hoops required to claim the rebate.
Sellers also benefit from the float (time value of money)
between
the purchase and cashing the rebate check.

It's that simple.







"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
...
wow, i am beginning to understand why you don't understand my
postings...
i did not interpret what you wrote the first time in the way that you
have
just explained it here the second time. the reverse is probably the
case
for
your interpretations of my posts.
i think you the point he was making was this: with a rebate program a
store
can advertise a product at a very low after rebate price yet limit the
number purchased by an individual at the low after rebate price per
the
terms of a rebate. if they just lowered the price without the use of
a
rebate then any individual could buy out the entire stock at the
reduced
price.

"Irene" wrote in message
...
You guys are missing the point.
A rebate also performs a function similar to the coupon (limit
one)
you
use at the grocery store. It limits your greed.

If Maxtor lowered the price of their disk drives by $80, then your
local
conglomerate could order a thousand at that price. By offering
the
rebate, they can still get full price from business users while
they
get the marketing buzz and extra volume from non-business buyers.

Also prevents ebay entrepreneurs from buying a zillion and
reselling
them.

My response was:

That flies in the face of reality. Did you ever see a sign in a
store
saying
"limit ONE at this price" ?

In other words, as if an explanation should be needed.
That is exactly what I am saying. Discounted prices can be limited
to
one
item. That would preclude some company or individual from buying 300
or
a
"zillion"(what ever that is) at the discounted price. The argument
for
the
rebate(unless I completely mis-read it) was that the Rebate was
used,
rather
than a discounted price to control the number sold, by household,
business,
etc, to one per entity.

The true reason for rebates, as was posted by some one else to this
same
thread is:

.......... People are attracted to
what they perceive as a bargain. Sellers rely on many buyers not
bothering
to redeem coupons or jump through the hoops required to claim the
rebate.
Sellers also benefit from the float (time value of money) between
the
purchase and cashing the rebate check.

And if you can't understand that, then I would not like to have you
as
a
business partner. g




"mike" wrote in message
...
Irene wrote:
That flies in the face of reality. Did you ever see a sign in a
store
saying
"limit ONE at this price" ?

If you mean in the last two minutes, the answer is YES!
You'd have to be living under a rock to avoid seeing dozens of
them
every week.
Here's an example:

http://nm7u.tripod.com/homepage/coupon.jpg

This one happens to be limit two, but I can find a limit one
if your reality won't stretch that far.

Somewhere I think I have a coupon for some bug spray to get the
files
off your reality.

mike



"mike" wrote in message
...

James Nipper wrote:

HillBilly Buddhist, your message demonstrates beyond debate
that
the

rebate

scam is a scam.

A scam is a scam is a scam...........

Now, I am glad that we have settled this debate..........

Thanks Guys !!

--James--

-------------------------------

HillBilly Buddhist wrote:

The idea behind managing cash is simple, speed it up coming in,
slow
it

down

going out.

You know how sometimes people write a check to somebody when
they

haven't

got any money in their checking account, then rush to the bank
the
next
morning to put some money in before the check clears? Same
idea.

You can call it a "scheme" but it is s.o.p. in business.

I don't deny that they factor in a percentage of rebates that
will
never

be

paid because of improper or untimely requests and those checks
that
will

not

be cashed before they expire or those that will be mishandled
due
to

human

error. With the exception of mishandled claims these are all on
the
head

of

the consumer, who mind you was never forced to buy based on
after
rebate
prices.

I don't consider it a scam because I am a willing participant
and
I
have
never NOT gotten a rebate. (I shop rebate deals at CompUSA,
Office
Max,
Staples et. al.. almost weekly for "office consumables" and
have

purchased

computer systems with rebates) I have no problem with a few
"hoops"
if

it

saves me some money. I suppose if you've been denied a properly

requested

rebate you could view them as scams. You could equally say that
in
any
program that handles thousands (sometimes millions) of paper
claims
by

hand

some people are going to get the short end of the stick.





You guys are missing the point.
A rebate also performs a function similar to the coupon (limit
one)
you
use at the grocery store. It limits your greed.

If Maxtor lowered the price of their disk drives by $80, then
your
local
conglomerate could order a thousand at that price. By offering
the
rebate, they can still get full price from business users while
they
get the marketing buzz and extra volume from non-business
buyers.

Also prevents ebay entrepreneurs from buying a zillion and
reselling
them.

And yes, they do hope you don't send in the rebate. It's not
their
fault that you're lazy.
And yes, they do get the float.

Occasionally, a company will use rebates to rip the last dollar
out
of
a
business as they're filing chapter 11. As a percentage, that's
not
high.

It's my choice to take advantage of rebates.
You may choose not to.
Everybody wins.
mike

--
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/







--
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/

your pattern of giving up on a discussions and turning to insults is
becoming consistent and is disappointing. try again, or don't, but be aware
that the insults are just an affirmation of the other persons position.

"Irene" wrote in message
...
You really aren't much of a business person, are you?

Looking at the way you compose your posts, I don't know why that would
surprise me, though.


"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
...
no, silly, the customer just walks out the door and comes back again...
with the rebate they control how many units are sold to an individual at
the
after rebate price (they just don't pay the claim on the extra rebates
to
the same address). of course you can get people that try to send
rebates
to
their home, office, friends house, etc.. but it would certainly curb a
business from the practice of buying deeply discounted items and
reselling
them. have you seen the many products on ebay that are 'brand new,
factory
sealed, with upc bar code removed from package'? people actually buy
products, claim the rebates, and then resell them... profiting from
some
of
the incredible discounts offered by rebates... if they get paid that is.
unreputable vendors like pny only pay about 60% of the time and other
vendors simply go out of business before the rebates are paid (cyndyne
is
a
recent example of this).

"Irene" wrote in message
...
Just how is some one supposed to make sense out of this:

i think you the point he was making was this: with a rebate program
a
store can advertise a product at a very low after rebate price yet
limit
the number purchased by an individual at the low after rebate price
per
the terms of a rebate. if they just lowered the price without the
use
of
a rebate then any individual could buy out the entire stock at the
reduced
price.

And now I will ask you the same question that I asked the other guy.

Doesn't placing a limit of one per customer on a sale item accomplish
the
same thing without the hassle of a mail in rebate?

I repeat the actual reasons for rebates were very accurately posted by
some
one else to this thread:

.......... People are attracted to
what they perceive as a bargain. Sellers rely on many buyers
not
bothering to redeem coupons or jump through
the hoops required to claim the rebate.
Sellers also benefit from the float (time value of money)
between
the purchase and cashing the rebate check.

It's that simple.







"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
...
wow, i am beginning to understand why you don't understand my
postings...
i did not interpret what you wrote the first time in the way that
you
have
just explained it here the second time. the reverse is probably the
case
for
your interpretations of my posts.
i think you the point he was making was this: with a rebate program
a
store
can advertise a product at a very low after rebate price yet limit
the
number purchased by an individual at the low after rebate price per
the
terms of a rebate. if they just lowered the price without the use
of
a
rebate then any individual could buy out the entire stock at the
reduced
price.

"Irene" wrote in message
...
You guys are missing the point.
A rebate also performs a function similar to the coupon (limit
one)
you
use at the grocery store. It limits your greed.

If Maxtor lowered the price of their disk drives by $80, then
your
local
conglomerate could order a thousand at that price. By offering
the
rebate, they can still get full price from business users while
they
get the marketing buzz and extra volume from non-business
buyers.

Also prevents ebay entrepreneurs from buying a zillion and
reselling
them.

My response was:

That flies in the face of reality. Did you ever see a sign in a
store
saying
"limit ONE at this price" ?

In other words, as if an explanation should be needed.
That is exactly what I am saying. Discounted prices can be limited
to
one
item. That would preclude some company or individual from buying
300
or
a
"zillion"(what ever that is) at the discounted price. The argument
for
the
rebate(unless I completely mis-read it) was that the Rebate was
used,
rather
than a discounted price to control the number sold, by household,
business,
etc, to one per entity.

The true reason for rebates, as was posted by some one else to
this
same
thread is:

.......... People are attracted to
what they perceive as a bargain. Sellers rely on many buyers not
bothering
to redeem coupons or jump through the hoops required to claim
the
rebate.
Sellers also benefit from the float (time value of money)
between
the
purchase and cashing the rebate check.

And if you can't understand that, then I would not like to have
you
as
a
business partner. g




"mike" wrote in message
...
Irene wrote:
That flies in the face of reality. Did you ever see a sign in
a
store
saying
"limit ONE at this price" ?

If you mean in the last two minutes, the answer is YES!
You'd have to be living under a rock to avoid seeing dozens of
them
every week.
Here's an example:

http://nm7u.tripod.com/homepage/coupon.jpg

This one happens to be limit two, but I can find a limit one
if your reality won't stretch that far.

Somewhere I think I have a coupon for some bug spray to get the
files
off your reality.

mike



"mike" wrote in message
...

James Nipper wrote:

HillBilly Buddhist, your message demonstrates beyond debate
that
the

rebate

scam is a scam.

A scam is a scam is a scam...........

Now, I am glad that we have settled this debate..........

Thanks Guys !!

--James--

-------------------------------

HillBilly Buddhist wrote:

The idea behind managing cash is simple, speed it up coming
in,
slow
it

down

going out.

You know how sometimes people write a check to somebody when
they

haven't

got any money in their checking account, then rush to the
bank
the
next
morning to put some money in before the check clears? Same
idea.

You can call it a "scheme" but it is s.o.p. in business.

I don't deny that they factor in a percentage of rebates that
will
never

be

paid because of improper or untimely requests and those
checks
that
will

not

be cashed before they expire or those that will be mishandled
due
to

human

error. With the exception of mishandled claims these are all
on
the
head

of

the consumer, who mind you was never forced to buy based on
after
rebate
prices.

I don't consider it a scam because I am a willing participant
and
I
have
never NOT gotten a rebate. (I shop rebate deals at CompUSA,
Office
Max,
Staples et. al.. almost weekly for "office consumables" and
have

purchased

computer systems with rebates) I have no problem with a few
"hoops"
if

it

saves me some money. I suppose if you've been denied a
properly

requested

rebate you could view them as scams. You could equally say
that
in
any
program that handles thousands (sometimes millions) of paper
claims
by

hand

some people are going to get the short end of the stick.





You guys are missing the point.
A rebate also performs a function similar to the coupon (limit
one)
you
use at the grocery store. It limits your greed.

If Maxtor lowered the price of their disk drives by $80, then
your
local
conglomerate could order a thousand at that price. By
offering
the
rebate, they can still get full price from business users
while
they
get the marketing buzz and extra volume from non-business
buyers.

Also prevents ebay entrepreneurs from buying a zillion and
reselling
them.

And yes, they do hope you don't send in the rebate. It's not
their
fault that you're lazy.
And yes, they do get the float.

Occasionally, a company will use rebates to rip the last
dollar
out
of
a
business as they're filing chapter 11. As a percentage,
that's
not
high.

It's my choice to take advantage of rebates.
You may choose not to.
Everybody wins.
mike

--
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/







--
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
laptops and parts Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/

Exactly Irene. I actually purchased about 10 systems from dell last year
because I help
people buy computers. I tutor one-on-one, repair computers, have built
them, etc.
Dell is floating the money and not delivering on some of them without MAJOR
hassles. It has been 3 and 1/2 months and I still don't have $100. In my
case, I will
never buy another dell. This plus the drop in their support to Gateway
levels has done
it for me. That's it. No more.

"Irene" wrote in message
...
It depends on the company involved. Some are prompt some aren't. Dell is
one
that we have had such problems with, that IF we ever buy another Dell(and
with the current condition of their Home PC Tech Support, that is very
unlikely) it will not be one that involves a coupon rebate.

"Denzelpuppy" wrote in message
...
think about it just for 1 moment do you really think Dell would male out
dud
cheques????

It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, I begin to think it is a duck.

But there is no evidence to support any conspiracy on Dell's part to
withhold money. The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late sending it
in".

Have you emailed customer care?

Tom
"Jenny" wrote in message
...

"Denzelpuppy" wrote in message
...
think about it just for 1 moment do you really think Dell would male out
dud
cheques????

It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, I begin to think it is a duck.

The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late sending
it
in".


What do you do, intentionally ignore any such post that just might imply
something else. g



"Tom Scales" wrote in message
...
But there is no evidence to support any conspiracy on Dell's part to
withhold money. The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late sending
it
in".

Have you emailed customer care?

Tom
"Jenny" wrote in message
...

"Denzelpuppy" wrote in message
...
think about it just for 1 moment do you really think Dell would male
out
dud
cheques????

It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, I begin to think it is a
duck.

BTW, I just did a quick Google search of this news group for the subject of
"rebate".

I had no trouble finding several that said nothing about late or improper
submission.
Some were really bad. Instances where even Dell representatives admitted the
customer was correct. But the rebate was still not received by the customer.

Seems to put some ones voracity into question, doesn't it?




"Irene" wrote in message
...
The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late
sending
it
in".


What do you do, intentionally ignore any such post that just might imply
something else. g



"Tom Scales" wrote in message
...
But there is no evidence to support any conspiracy on Dell's part to
withhold money. The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has
been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late
sending
it
in".

Have you emailed customer care?

Tom
"Jenny" wrote in message
...

"Denzelpuppy" wrote in message
...
think about it just for 1 moment do you really think Dell would male
out
dud
cheques????

It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, I begin to think it is a
duck.

I see the same rebate problems using Google Groups with Gateway, HP/Compaq,
Acer, Micron, Packard Bell and I betcha if I checked other companies and
stores that have rebates, that they will have the same problems too.







"Irene" wrote in message
...
BTW, I just did a quick Google search of this news group for the subject
of
"rebate".

I had no trouble finding several that said nothing about late or improper
submission.
Some were really bad. Instances where even Dell representatives admitted
the
customer was correct. But the rebate was still not received by the
customer.

Seems to put some ones voracity into question, doesn't it?




"Irene" wrote in message
...
The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late
sending
it
in".


What do you do, intentionally ignore any such post that just might imply
something else. g



"Tom Scales" wrote in message
...
But there is no evidence to support any conspiracy on Dell's part to
withhold money. The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has
been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late
sending
it
in".

Have you emailed customer care?

Tom
"Jenny" wrote in message
...

"Denzelpuppy" wrote in message
...
think about it just for 1 moment do you really think Dell would
male
out
dud
cheques????

It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, I begin to think it is a
duck.

That would seem to backup the earlier claim that rebates are scams.
Processing a rebate isn't rocket science. Hard to imagine why there are so
many problems with them.


"Dan Sgambelluri" wrote in message
news:zjVwb.495667$6C4.114500@pd7tw1no...
I see the same rebate problems using Google Groups with Gateway,
HP/Compaq,
Acer, Micron, Packard Bell and I betcha if I checked other companies and
stores that have rebates, that they will have the same problems too.







"Irene" wrote in message
...
BTW, I just did a quick Google search of this news group for the subject
of
"rebate".

I had no trouble finding several that said nothing about late or
improper
submission.
Some were really bad. Instances where even Dell representatives admitted
the
customer was correct. But the rebate was still not received by the
customer.

Seems to put some ones voracity into question, doesn't it?




"Irene" wrote in message
...
The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late
sending
it
in".


What do you do, intentionally ignore any such post that just might
imply
something else. g



"Tom Scales" wrote in message
...
But there is no evidence to support any conspiracy on Dell's part to
withhold money. The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying
has
been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late
sending
it
in".

Have you emailed customer care?

Tom
"Jenny" wrote in message
...

"Denzelpuppy" wrote in message
...
think about it just for 1 moment do you really think Dell would
male
out
dud
cheques????

It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, I begin to think it is
a
duck.

I agree, Dell isn't as bad as some. I've received five Dell rebates over the
years without a problem. I can't say the same about two other computer
vendors that I had to make multiple calls regarding the status--after 3-5
months.

They all should take a lesson from Symantec's new rebate processor. I
purchased three Norton products at different time intervals recently, and
the rebates landed in my mailbox in 8, 11 and 12 days. They E-Mail you as
soon as they receive your paperwork, about three days after I mailed them.

Now Checker Auto Parts rebate is in it's fourth month, I'll wait another two
before I contact them. That seems to be the norm with the Arizona firm they
use.

Ken

"Dan Sgambelluri" wrote in message
news:zjVwb.495667$6C4.114500@pd7tw1no...
I see the same rebate problems using Google Groups with Gateway,
HP/Compaq,
Acer, Micron, Packard Bell and I betcha if I checked other companies and
stores that have rebates, that they will have the same problems too.







"Irene" wrote in message
...
BTW, I just did a quick Google search of this news group for the subject
of
"rebate".

I had no trouble finding several that said nothing about late or
improper
submission.
Some were really bad. Instances where even Dell representatives admitted
the
customer was correct. But the rebate was still not received by the
customer.

Seems to put some ones voracity into question, doesn't it?




"Irene" wrote in message
...
The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying has been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late
sending
it
in".


What do you do, intentionally ignore any such post that just might
imply
something else. g



"Tom Scales" wrote in message
...
But there is no evidence to support any conspiracy on Dell's part to
withhold money. The only cases I've seen here of Dell not paying
has
been
when the posts start with things like "I was only three days late
sending
it
in".

Have you emailed customer care?

Tom
"Jenny" wrote in message
...

"Denzelpuppy" wrote in message
...
think about it just for 1 moment do you really think Dell would
male
out
dud
cheques????

It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, I begin to think it is
a
duck.