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Old February 27th 04, 10:27 PM
V W Wall
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Timothy Daniels wrote:

"kony" wrote:
Aww, what the hell....... OK, on a testbed system here, has an Asus
A7S333 board in it, Sis 745 chipset. It has a Maxtor D740X 60GB
boot drive, primary slave, and a Maxtor Plus 9 80GB Primary Master
drive.... actually they were running from aforementioned RAID card
with a couple of other drives, but for this test, they're together as
master/slave on same channel running from the Sis southbridge IDE
controller.

Configured as I mentioned, the system does boot from the 60GB drive
if the 80GB is unplugged from the power but not IDE cable. So, now
we have TWO instances of it working, but still insufficient evidence to
conclude that, in general, "it should boot".


Thanks for the data point. Do I hear THREE? :-)


THREE! Abit VH6T, Via Apollo Pro 133A chipset. Seagate 80G ST380013A on
IDE first channel jumpered as master on end cable connector. Western Digital
13G AC313000R jumpered as slave on center connector.

I copied the OS which was on active partition of WD drive to the first
partition of the Seagate 80G drive, using the copy program that came
with the Seagate drive. I then swapped master/slave and have been
booting from the 80G Seagate drive since Sept 1903. The first partition
of the old WD drive was left active, and became "D:" as expected, with
the new drive becoming "C:".

I just now removed the power from the Seagate (80G) drive and the machine
booted with no problem. Of course the old registry got transfered to
the windows folder, and Windows98 said the system had been up-dated to reflect
daylight savings. Guess the RTC had been clicking away as it should.

Since this is Windows98FE, there are no "strange" things in the boot record.
The MBR is missing some of the entries from NT/XP, but I wouldn't think this
would affect anything except "dynamic drives" if they existed.

BTW, neither of the drives is "hermeticaly sealed". ;=)

Virg Wall
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Old February 27th 04, 10:37 PM
Timothy Daniels
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"V W Wall" shared:
THREE! Abit VH6T, Via Apollo Pro 133A chipset.
Seagate 80G ST380013A on IDE first channel jumpered
as master on end cable connector. Western Digital
13G AC313000R jumpered as slave on center connector.

I copied the OS which was on active partition of WD drive
to the first partition of the Seagate 80G drive, using the copy
program that came with the Seagate drive. I then swapped
master/slave and have been booting from the 80G Seagate
drive since Sept 1903. The first partition of the old WD drive
was left active, and became "D:" as expected, with
the new drive becoming "C:".

I just now removed the power from the Seagate (80G) drive
and the machine booted with no problem. Of course the old
registry got transfered to the windows folder, and Windows98
said the system had been up-dated to reflect daylight savings.
Guess the RTC had been clicking away as it should.

Since this is Windows98FE, there are no "strange" things in
the boot record. The MBR is missing some of the entries from
NT/XP, but I wouldn't think this would affect anything except
"dynamic drives" if they existed.



Thanks for the data point. Do I hear FOUR? :-)


BTW, neither of the drives is "hermeticaly sealed". ;=)



Then don't smoke or take a shower near them!
BTW, what make and model no. are they?

*TimDaniels*
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Old February 27th 04, 11:08 PM
V W Wall
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Timothy Daniels wrote:

"V W Wall" shared:
THREE! Abit VH6T, Via Apollo Pro 133A chipset.
Seagate 80G ST380013A on IDE first channel jumpered
as master on end cable connector. Western Digital
13G AC313000R jumpered as slave on center connector.

I copied the OS which was on active partition of WD drive
to the first partition of the Seagate 80G drive, using the copy
program that came with the Seagate drive. I then swapped
master/slave and have been booting from the 80G Seagate
drive since Sept 1903. The first partition of the old WD drive
was left active, and became "D:" as expected, with
the new drive becoming "C:".

I just now removed the power from the Seagate (80G) drive
and the machine booted with no problem. Of course the old
registry got transfered to the windows folder, and Windows98
said the system had been up-dated to reflect daylight savings.
Guess the RTC had been clicking away as it should.

Since this is Windows98FE, there are no "strange" things in
the boot record. The MBR is missing some of the entries from
NT/XP, but I wouldn't think this would affect anything except
"dynamic drives" if they existed.


Thanks for the data point. Do I hear FOUR? :-)

BTW, neither of the drives is "hermeticaly sealed". ;=)


Then don't smoke or take a shower near them!


They are assembled in a clean room containing filtered air. People
can breathe there but smoking and showering are not allowed. ;-(
The drives use a similar filter.

BTW, what make and model no. are they?


See my reply which you quoted above. Seagate S/N 3JV3FCSS, Western
Digital S/N WD-WM6760181274.

There is some work on drives that do not need air to "float" the
heads. The heads could be in actual contact with the platters.

Virg Wall
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Old February 29th 04, 02:10 PM
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"Eric Gisin" wrote in message ...
"Timothy Daniels" wrote in message ...

From my first post to this thread:

"Having un-powered electronics connected to your
bus is generally a sure-fire way to drag the bus
down to nothing."



So how can this not be the case for SCSI? Same tri-state drivers as IDE.


Don't think so.


But the bus doesn't get dragged down to nothing.
I even reported such a test in my posting early today
(Feb 26), where I specifically disconnected *just the
power cable* from one HD and booted successfully from
the other HD on the same ribbon cable. Obviously, the
bus was not dragged down to nothing. Try it yourself.

My experience with any ATA-4+ drives.

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Old February 29th 04, 04:10 PM
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"Trent=A9" wrote:
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:27:22 GMT, V W Wall
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I copied the OS which was on active partition of WD drive to the first=


partition of the Seagate 80G drive, using the copy program that came
with the Seagate drive. I then swapped master/slave and have been
booting from the 80G Seagate drive since Sept 1903.


I said it restored an old registry. It must have fallen back a century
instead of an hour when going off Daylight Saving! ;-(
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I knew you were old, Virg...but I didn't think you were THAT old! lol


Not as old as the original BB when he "died".
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Way back then, weren't hard drives made outa stone?


No, but there were idiots who liked giving people hard times. YKWYA

Virg Wall
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Old February 29th 04, 04:24 PM
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"Trent=A9" wrote:
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:37:08 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
wrote:
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"V W Wall" shared:
THREE! Abit VH6T, Via Apollo Pro 133A chipset.
Seagate 80G ST380013A on IDE first channel jumpered
as master on end cable connector. Western Digital
13G AC313000R jumpered as slave on center connector.

I copied the OS which was on active partition of WD drive
to the first partition of the Seagate 80G drive, using the copy
program that came with the Seagate drive. I then swapped
master/slave and have been booting from the 80G Seagate
drive since Sept 1903. The first partition of the old WD drive
was left active, and became "D:" as expected, with
the new drive becoming "C:".

I just now removed the power from the Seagate (80G) drive
and the machine booted with no problem. Of course the old
registry got transfered to the windows folder, and Windows98
said the system had been up-dated to reflect daylight savings.
Guess the RTC had been clicking away as it should.


Seems to have lost a century somewhere. (See Sept 1903 above) ;-)

Since this is Windows98FE, there are no "strange" things in
the boot record. The MBR is missing some of the entries from
NT/XP, but I wouldn't think this would affect anything except
"dynamic drives" if they existed.



Thanks for the data point. Do I hear FOUR? :-)

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This is a very interesting thread...but its also common knowledge.


Common knowledge seems to be very "uncommon" in some areas.

IIRC someone once told a poster his problem was in having two hard drives=

with an active partition on each. Others have said having an unpowered,
drive with data cable connected would cause all sorts of problems.
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What are we tryin' to prove here?


Read the whole thread--you don't need to prove anything, you already have=
!

Virg Wall
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Old February 29th 04, 04:37 PM
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"Trent=A9" wrote:
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:02:36 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
wrote:
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"Trent=A9" wrote:
I guess I missed the thread.



Then it's time to learn how to reset your news client
and download what's still on your news server for
this newsgroup. I expect that the entire thread is
still there.

*TimDaniels*

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You also expect that I actually want to DO what you suggest! lol


Looks like you DID do it! Like touchin' wet paint, isn't it!

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