The true cost of printing ink ?

Ray wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:14:13 GMT, "Burt" wrote:



I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks. While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is comparable to Canon?



Sign onto the Nifty-stuff forum and look up the fade tests by Grandad35. These were accelerated fade tests done with continuous exposure to UV light. None of the ink sets were as resistant to fading as Canon OEM inks. Each ink set had a particular color that began to fade before the others. Interesting results and worth the read.



Thank you. Yes it is interesting. It looks like aftermarket ink is fine for throw away's, but not for anything I want to keep.


Only if it does not damage the printhead and if your print load is heavy.  And if that is the case then buy a 2nd inkjet.  Use the OEM ink carts in the printer where you want good results.  Use the other printer with the crap ink where you do not care about the results.  Many times you can get a new Canon for almost the same as a new set of carts.  At least you are not disguising the truth like some do here.  But that is there livelyhood.


I wonder why aftermarket ink manufactures can't make ink that is fade resistant? It does not seem like rocket science.

measekite wrote:


----------misleading lying bs crap deleted--------

Uhhh...you're giving advice on something which, by your own admission,
you have never, ever used.
IOW, you have no practical experience using, so you don't know what
you're talking about.
Do you think the op is as dumb as you are?
Frank

I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks.
While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has
fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical
work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is
comparable to Canon?- Hide quoted text -


Ray,
Please tell me your results on which aftermaket ink you actually
tried. I want to know how your aftermarket ink result were. I'm
specifially looking for comparing OEM ink with aftermarket for PHOTOS
only.

I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system
with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer
service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like
grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning
towards somebody who sells Image Specialist.

Stan

wrote:


I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system
with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer
service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like
grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning
towards somebody who sells Image Specialist.

Stan



Hey you...why are you telling us about somebody else who bought
hobbicolors?
What does that have to do with you?
You are the only person to ever post to this ng who has not (well not
you, but the person you're supposedly talking about) had excellent
results with hobbicolors ink.
Now you come clean and tell us whats wrong with this picture, huh?
NO LYING!!!
Frank

"mark_digital©" wrote in message
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"Red Fox" wrote in message
t...
Today I paid over $40 for two dinky little ink cartridges. I bet the
empty
cartridges cost no more than a $ or 2 to make, so why does the ink and
refilling cost so much?

It seems that the number of outfits refilling the cartridges is now
becoming
an epidemic. Maybe that will bring the price down.

Could ink be bought in bulk, say in 4 or 6 oz bottles and then loaded
into
the cartridges when needed, or is that task a difficult one?
Undoubtedly
the ink has to be carefully protected from the air. Has anyone done
this?

TIA

RF



But you knew they were dinky when you bought your printer didn't you?

I didn't see the cartridge before I bought the printer and I did not mind a
dinky cartridge - it's the high cost for that cartridge that bugged me.

RF

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:13:52 -0000, wrote:



I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks.
While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has
fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical
work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is
comparable to Canon?- Hide quoted text -


Ray,
Please tell me your results on which aftermaket ink you actually
tried. I want to know how your aftermarket ink result were. I'm
specifially looking for comparing OEM ink with aftermarket for PHOTOS
only.

I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system
with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer
service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like
grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning
towards somebody who sells Image Specialist.

Stan



I do a fair amount of printing and in an effort to keep down printing
costs I have tried aftermarket ink. I noticed that photographs that I
printed and hung on the wall unprotected started looking pretty bad in
a couple of months. Being a retired engineer I enjoy testing. I
bought G&G, Atlas Copy, MIS, and Inktec ink. The control were BCI6
and CLI8 ink from Canon. I printed color stripes at 25, 50, 75, and
100% saturation of cyan, magenta, yellow and black on Epson, Canon,
Costco, and Kodak paper. Gray scale provides a quick check for color
match. Since below 80% gray is printed with color ink, the closer it
is to gray the better the match.

The printed samples were exposed to a 5 watt UV lamp for up to 4 hours
with half of each sample exposed. The other half was protected. The
worst samples were almost colorless after 4 hours. I then compared
the samples to check relative fading. The Canon CLI8 ink was less
than twice as fade resistant as compared to the BCI6. The next best
performer was MIS which faded about 20 times faster than the CLI8 ink.
The other inks faded somewhat worse, with different colors fading
most. MIS had the best color match, G&G was pretty bad on the cyan.
Except for the Kodak paper which did poorly there was not too much
difference in the paper. I rated them Canon worst, Costco next, and
Epson Premium Glossy the best.

So my solution is one printer for throw away's which I refill with MIS
ink, and one printer with CLI8 ink for photos. I have prints with the
CLI8 ink that have been hung for a year that look as good as recently
printed ones and MIS prints of the same vintage that look truly
horrible because of fading and color shift.

From my tests and those posted on Nifty Forum I have not seen any
aftermarket ink that is any near as fade resistant as the Canon. I
would love to be proven wrong.

I have the samples that I tested and could post them when I come back
from my 6 month vacation in Hawaii.

Ray wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:13:52 -0000, wrote:



I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks.
While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has
fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical
work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is
comparable to Canon?- Hide quoted text -


Ray,
Please tell me your results on which aftermaket ink you actually
tried. I want to know how your aftermarket ink result were. I'm
specifially looking for comparing OEM ink with aftermarket for PHOTOS
only.

I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system
with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer
service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like
grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning
towards somebody who sells Image Specialist.

Stan




I do a fair amount of printing and in an effort to keep down printing
costs I have tried aftermarket ink. I noticed that photographs that I
printed and hung on the wall unprotected started looking pretty bad in
a couple of months. Being a retired engineer I enjoy testing. I
bought G&G, Atlas Copy, MIS, and Inktec ink. The control were BCI6
and CLI8 ink from Canon. I printed color stripes at 25, 50, 75, and
100% saturation of cyan, magenta, yellow and black on Epson, Canon,
Costco, and Kodak paper. Gray scale provides a quick check for color
match. Since below 80% gray is printed with color ink, the closer it
is to gray the better the match.

The printed samples were exposed to a 5 watt UV lamp for up to 4 hours
with half of each sample exposed. The other half was protected. The
worst samples were almost colorless after 4 hours. I then compared
the samples to check relative fading. The Canon CLI8 ink was less
than twice as fade resistant as compared to the BCI6. The next best
performer was MIS which faded about 20 times faster than the CLI8 ink.
The other inks faded somewhat worse, with different colors fading
most. MIS had the best color match, G&G was pretty bad on the cyan.
Except for the Kodak paper which did poorly there was not too much
difference in the paper. I rated them Canon worst, Costco next, and
Epson Premium Glossy the best.

So my solution is one printer for throw away's which I refill with MIS
ink, and one printer with CLI8 ink for photos. I have prints with the
CLI8 ink that have been hung for a year that look as good as recently
printed ones and MIS prints of the same vintage that look truly
horrible because of fading and color shift.

From my tests and those posted on Nifty Forum I have not seen any
aftermarket ink that is any near as fade resistant as the Canon. I
would love to be proven wrong.

I have the samples that I tested and could post them when I come back
from my 6 month vacation in Hawaii.

Hey, what ever floats your boat.
YMMV as it is said.
Frank

wrote:





I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks. While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is comparable to Canon?- Hide quoted text -



Ray, Please tell me your results on which aftermaket ink you actually tried. I want to know how your aftermarket ink result were. I'm specifially looking for comparing OEM ink with aftermarket for PHOTOS only. I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning towards somebody who sells Image Specialist. Stan


If you want the very best aftermarket ink then look at Pantone.  Their ink may be as close in quality to Canon as there is.

Ray wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:13:52 -0000, wrote:







I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks. While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is comparable to Canon?- Hide quoted text -



Ray, Please tell me your results on which aftermaket ink you actually tried. I want to know how your aftermarket ink result were. I'm specifially looking for comparing OEM ink with aftermarket for PHOTOS only. I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning towards somebody who sells Image Specialist. Stan



I do a fair amount of printing and in an effort to keep down printing costs I have tried aftermarket ink. I noticed that photographs that I printed and hung on the wall unprotected started looking pretty bad in a couple of months.


I have done the same thing with my Canon IP4000 using OEM ink.  My prints, some hanging in a kitchen and others in a bright room show no sign of fading in over 6 months.


Being a retired engineer I enjoy testing. I bought G&G, Atlas Copy, MIS, and Inktec ink. The control were BCI6 and CLI8 ink from Canon. I printed color stripes at 25, 50, 75, and 100% saturation of cyan, magenta, yellow and black on Epson, Canon, Costco, and Kodak paper. Gray scale provides a quick check for color match. Since below 80% gray is printed with color ink, the closer it is to gray the better the match. The printed samples were exposed to a 5 watt UV lamp for up to 4 hours with half of each sample exposed. The other half was protected. The worst samples were almost colorless after 4 hours. I then compared the samples to check relative fading. The Canon CLI8 ink was less than twice as fade resistant as compared to the BCI6. The next best




performer was MIS which faded about 20 times faster than the CLI8 ink.

Why do many know it alls deny these facts.


The other inks faded somewhat worse, with different colors fading most. MIS had the best color match, G&G was pretty bad on the cyan. Except for the




Kodak paper which did poorly

Here that Ron


there was not too much difference in the paper. I rated them Canon worst, Costco next, and Epson Premium Glossy the best. So my solution is one printer for throw away's which I refill with MIS ink, and one printer with CLI8 ink for photos.


That makes sense.  Use low grade ink for stuff you do not care about and the good Canon stuff for photos that are meaningful.  As long as the crap ink does not clog your printer.


I have prints with the CLI8 ink that have been hung for a year that look as good as recently printed ones and MIS prints of the same vintage that look truly horrible because of fading and color shift.


Now that is purtie interesting.


From my tests and those posted on Nifty Forum I have not seen any aftermarket ink that is any near as fade resistant as the Canon. I would love to be proven wrong.

You will not be.  Now that forum is made up of relabelers and their followers.


I have the samples that I tested and could post them when I come back from my 6 month vacation in Hawaii.


I really believe what you are telling us.

measekite wrote:



Ray wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:13:52 -0000, wrote:





I have a Canon IP5000. I have tried a number of aftermarket inks.
While the color match is not too bad I have yet to find one that has
fade resistance of the Canon product. I refill for my non critical
work. Can you tell me of a bulk ink that has fade resistance that is
comparable to Canon?- Hide quoted text -


Ray,
Please tell me your results on which aftermaket ink you actually
tried. I want to know how your aftermarket ink result were. I'm
specifially looking for comparing OEM ink with aftermarket for PHOTOS
only.

I know somebody who tried Hobbicolors and they have very easy system
with virgin catridges included, excellent price, excellent customer
service, however the photos make a person with black hair look like
grey hair. I'm looking for another vendor. Right now I'm leaning
towards somebody who sells Image Specialist.

Stan





I do a fair amount of printing and in an effort to keep down printing
costs I have tried aftermarket ink. I noticed that photographs that I
printed and hung on the wall unprotected started looking pretty bad in
a couple of months.


I have done the same thing with my Canon IP4000 using OEM ink. My
prints, some hanging in a kitchen and others in a bright room show no
sign of fading in over 6 months.

Being a retired engineer I enjoy testing. I
bought G&G, Atlas Copy, MIS, and Inktec ink. The control were BCI6
and CLI8 ink from Canon. I printed color stripes at 25, 50, 75, and
100% saturation of cyan, magenta, yellow and black on Epson, Canon,
Costco, and Kodak paper. Gray scale provides a quick check for color
match. Since below 80% gray is printed with color ink, the closer it
is to gray the better the match.

The printed samples were exposed to a 5 watt UV lamp for up to 4 hours
with half of each sample exposed. The other half was protected. The
worst samples were almost colorless after 4 hours. I then compared
the samples to check relative fading. The Canon CLI8 ink was less
than twice as fade resistant as compared to the BCI6. The next best



performer was *MIS which faded about 20 times faster than the CLI8 ink*.


Why do many know it alls deny these facts.

The other inks faded somewhat worse, with different colors fading
most. MIS had the best color match, G&G was pretty bad on the cyan.
Except for the


*Kodak paper which did poorly *

Here that Ron

there was not too much
difference in the paper. I rated them Canon worst, Costco next, and
Epson Premium Glossy the best.

So my solution is one printer for throw away's which I refill with MIS
ink, and one printer with CLI8 ink for photos.


That makes sense. Use low grade ink for stuff you do not care about and
the good Canon stuff for photos that are meaningful. As long as the
crap ink does not clog your printer.

I have prints with the
CLI8 ink that have been hung for a year that look as good as recently
printed ones and MIS prints of the same vintage that look truly
horrible because of fading and color shift.



Now that is purtie interesting.

From my tests and those posted on Nifty Forum I have not seen any
aftermarket ink that is any near as fade resistant as the Canon. I
would love to be proven wrong.


You will not be. Now that forum is made up of relabelers and their
followers.

I have the samples that I tested and could post them when I come back
from my 6 month vacation in Hawaii.



I really believe what you are telling us.


Maybe you two should get a room, huh?
Frank