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My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(
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I can't open my old ATI/AMD Radeon 4870 (512 MB of VRAM)'s video card driver (13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe)'s Catalyst Control Center GUI (still can run its background install location\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe process though) in my over decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It used to work a few months ago though so something broke. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, and reinstalling AMD driver+CCC suite into a new directory, but it still didn't work. I still can extend and unextend my 1920x1080 desktop to my secondary old dumb 21.5" Samsung SyncMaster T22B350ND HDTV with my primary 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor. Both video connections are using DVI-VGA adapters and VGA cables via an old Y2K OmniCube KVM. I don't think it is a hardware issue. http://pastebin.com/raw/MBJP13hc for my detailed event logs and opening about showing a crash with an unhandled exception with MS .NET Framework. What's the problem? Is it my .NET? Something else? I hope I don't have to reinstall my W7 from scratch to get it back. Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. -- ZzzZzz and so cold! Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org. / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(
Ant wrote:
Hello. I can't open my old ATI/AMD Radeon 4870 (512 MB of VRAM)'s video card driver (13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe)'s Catalyst Control Center GUI (still can run its background install location\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe process though) in my over decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It used to work a few months ago though so something broke. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, and reinstalling AMD driver+CCC suite into a new directory, but it still didn't work. I still can extend and unextend my 1920x1080 desktop to my secondary old dumb 21.5" Samsung SyncMaster T22B350ND HDTV with my primary 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor. Both video connections are using DVI-VGA adapters and VGA cables via an old Y2K OmniCube KVM. I don't think it is a hardware issue. http://pastebin.com/raw/MBJP13hc for my detailed event logs and opening about showing a crash with an unhandled exception with MS .NET Framework. What's the problem? Is it my .NET? Something else? I hope I don't have to reinstall my W7 from scratch to get it back. Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. This seems perfectly reasonable. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/arc...sion-of-the-os "Windows 7 (all editions) includes .NET Framework 3.5.1 as an OS component. This means you will get the .NET Framework 2.0 SP2, 3.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 plus a few post 3.5 SP1 bug fixes. ******* 3.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 can be added or removed via the Programs and Features control panel. What the author really means, is 2.0 SP2 cannot be removed via Windows Features. If your damage is in 3.0 or 3.5, you're in luck, toggling the button, doing some reboots between button state changes, could "repair" the v3.0 and v3.5 folders. Only an OS Repair Install can fix the v2.0.50727 folder. SurCHECK is unlikely to care about .NET, but you can try that if in a mood to waste time. SurCHECK is the lame replacement for the DISM feature Windows 7 never got backported from later OSes. Since the features in question don't have a strong OS component, the backport would likely have cost nothing for them. https://i.postimg.cc/HLGkM5hw/Win7-repair.gif CCC control panel relies on 2.0 SP2. 2.0 SP2 cannot be removed or repaired, as it is part of the "base" OS. Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" confirms this for us, although somewhat clumsily (as the tester menu grays out and won't allow selecting just anything you want to test). Aaron Stebner appears to be a Microsoft employee from the .NET group, who has constructed cleaning and verification tools for the great unwashed masses. The three .NET layers in question (2/3/3.5) share the same CLR version number. Early versions of CCC relied on 2.0 , which is the one we can't fix without a Windows 7 Repair Install. I could be quite wrong, but generally DISM/SFC are not focused on .NET, because .NET started life totally separate from the OS. Whereas today, things like the Windows Firewall have a .NET dependency, and if Windows Firewall won't start, the network stack can be held hostage (won't start either until Firewall starts). I know you're not interested in Repair Installs of your Windows 7, so you can try the simple things and see how they work out. Paul |
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My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(
In alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati Paul wrote:
Ant wrote: Hello. I can't open my old ATI/AMD Radeon 4870 (512 MB of VRAM)'s video card driver (13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe)'s Catalyst Control Center GUI (still can run its background install location\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe process though) in my over decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It used to work a few months ago though so something broke. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, and reinstalling AMD driver+CCC suite into a new directory, but it still didn't work. I still can extend and unextend my 1920x1080 desktop to my secondary old dumb 21.5" Samsung SyncMaster T22B350ND HDTV with my primary 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor. Both video connections are using DVI-VGA adapters and VGA cables via an old Y2K OmniCube KVM. I don't think it is a hardware issue. http://pastebin.com/raw/MBJP13hc for my detailed event logs and opening about showing a crash with an unhandled exception with MS .NET Framework. What's the problem? Is it my .NET? Something else? I hope I don't have to reinstall my W7 from scratch to get it back. Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. This seems perfectly reasonable. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/arc...sion-of-the-os "Windows 7 (all editions) includes .NET Framework 3.5.1 as an OS component. This means you will get the .NET Framework 2.0 SP2, 3.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 plus a few post 3.5 SP1 bug fixes. ******* 3.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 can be added or removed via the Programs and Features control panel. What the author really means, is 2.0 SP2 cannot be removed via Windows Features. If your damage is in 3.0 or 3.5, you're in luck, toggling the button, doing some reboots between button state changes, could "repair" the v3.0 and v3.5 folders. Only an OS Repair Install can fix the v2.0.50727 folder. SurCHECK is unlikely to care about .NET, but you can try that if in a mood to waste time. SurCHECK is the lame replacement for the DISM feature Windows 7 never got backported from later OSes. Since the features in question don't have a strong OS component, the backport would likely have cost nothing for them. https://i.postimg.cc/HLGkM5hw/Win7-repair.gif CCC control panel relies on 2.0 SP2. 2.0 SP2 cannot be removed or repaired, as it is part of the "base" OS. Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" confirms this for us, although somewhat clumsily (as the tester menu grays out and won't allow selecting just anything you want to test). Aaron Stebner appears to be a Microsoft employee from the .NET group, who has constructed cleaning and verification tools for the great unwashed masses. Is there an official web site for this program to download from? The three .NET layers in question (2/3/3.5) share the same CLR version number. Early versions of CCC relied on 2.0 , which is the one we can't fix without a Windows 7 Repair Install. I could be quite wrong, but generally DISM/SFC are not focused on .NET, because .NET started life totally separate from the OS. Whereas today, things like the Windows Firewall have a .NET dependency, and if Windows Firewall won't start, the network stack can be held hostage (won't start either until Firewall starts). I know you're not interested in Repair Installs of your Windows 7, so you can try the simple things and see how they work out. Thanks. According to https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/re...n-cat-win-13-9 web page, it needs .NET Framework v4.5 -- "* The AMD Catalyst 13.9 Software Suite requires Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 to be installed. Microsoft ..NET Framework 4.5 is included in all Catalyst packages)." I wonder if there is a third party software to take over old CCC with similiar features like checking statistcs, overriding fan speeds, video options, etc. -- ZzzZzz and so cold! Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org. / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(
Ant wrote:
In alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati Paul wrote: Ant wrote: Hello. I can't open my old ATI/AMD Radeon 4870 (512 MB of VRAM)'s video card driver (13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql.exe)'s Catalyst Control Center GUI (still can run its background install location\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe process though) in my over decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It used to work a few months ago though so something broke. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, and reinstalling AMD driver+CCC suite into a new directory, but it still didn't work. I still can extend and unextend my 1920x1080 desktop to my secondary old dumb 21.5" Samsung SyncMaster T22B350ND HDTV with my primary 23.6" 16:9 1920x1080 pixels ASUS VS247H-P monitor. Both video connections are using DVI-VGA adapters and VGA cables via an old Y2K OmniCube KVM. I don't think it is a hardware issue. http://pastebin.com/raw/MBJP13hc for my detailed event logs and opening about showing a crash with an unhandled exception with MS .NET Framework. What's the problem? Is it my .NET? Something else? I hope I don't have to reinstall my W7 from scratch to get it back. Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" confirms this for us, although somewhat clumsily (as the tester menu grays out and won't allow selecting just anything you want to test). Aaron Stebner appears to be a Microsoft employee from the .NET group, who has constructed cleaning and verification tools for the great unwashed masses. Is there an official web site for this program to download from? It's on Stebners OneDrive. Yes, that's a nuisance to find. You'll find breadcrumbs for that all over the place. "skydrive.live.com" is part of the path of the official one. Remember, it's not a Microsoft software product, it doesn't have support, yet it's an important part of debugging .NET situations. https://community.broadcom.com/commu...2-158a90a30074 Thanks. According to https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/re...n-cat-win-13-9 web page, it needs .NET Framework v4.5 -- "* The AMD Catalyst 13.9 Software Suite requires Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 to be installed. Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 is included in all Catalyst packages)." I wonder if there is a third party software to take over old CCC with similiar features like checking statistcs, overriding fan speeds, video options, etc. An older version would depend on .net 2.0 . And there is CCC, CCC2, Crimson, there are different names for the different versions. I would not be surprised if the latest named version uses a different .net value. It's unlikely someone else would code up a control panel. Only on a bar bet perhaps. The softwares that do exist, set clocks or support overclocking or undervolting on the video cards. MSI Afterburner? being an example ? If you're dependent on .NET 4.5, can't you remove it and reinstall it. Or even go into Programs and Features, select the line item and select "Repair" from the three-choice menu. Not all items have a "Repair", just the well crafted ones do. Some items only offer "Remove". Paul |
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My old CCC GUI refuses to show up. :(
Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" confirms this
for us, although somewhat clumsily (as the tester menu grays out and won't allow selecting just anything you want to test). Aaron Stebner appears to be a Microsoft employee from the .NET group, who has constructed cleaning and verification tools for the great unwashed masses. Is there an official web site for this program to download from? It's on Stebners OneDrive. Yes, that's a nuisance to find. You'll find breadcrumbs for that all over the place. "skydrive.live.com" is part of the path of the official one. Remember, it's not a Microsoft software product, it doesn't have support, yet it's an important part of debugging .NET situations. https://community.broadcom.com/commu...2-158a90a30074 Drats. Many links are gone including its zip files. Thanks. According to https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/re...n-cat-win-13-9 web page, it needs .NET Framework v4.5 -- "* The AMD Catalyst 13.9 Software Suite requires Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 to be installed. Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 is included in all Catalyst packages)." I wonder if there is a third party software to take over old CCC with similiar features like checking statistcs, overriding fan speeds, video options, etc. An older version would depend on .net 2.0 . And there is CCC, CCC2, Crimson, there are different names for the different versions. I would not be surprised if the latest named version uses a different .net value. It's unlikely someone else would code up a control panel. Only on a bar bet perhaps. The softwares that do exist, set clocks or support overclocking or undervolting on the video cards. MSI Afterburner? being an example ? Ooh, I forgot about that software. I always used the reference softwares from chipsets. I am using a MSI R4870-T2D512 OC Radeon HD 4870 video card from 2012. I can't seem to find anything related to old Radeon HD like https://us.msi.com/search/radeon%20HD. Argh. So, I had to use DuckDuckGo's search for https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/su...ver&Win7%2064: https://download.msi.com/uti_exe/vga...urnerSetup.zip redirects me to https://www.msi.com/Landing/afterburner https://download.msi.com/archive/vga...Win7_Vista.zip (7/23/2010 -- old!!). Do I really want to use these? If you're dependent on .NET 4.5, can't you remove it and reinstall it. Or even go into Programs and Features, select the line item and select "Repair" from the three-choice menu. Not all items have a "Repair", just the well crafted ones do. Some items only offer "Remove". I downloaded .NET v4.8, but that didn't fix it. I tried my downloaded dotNetFx45_Full_setup.exe, but it wouldn't let me because I had a newer version (v4.8). I only can repair and uninstall v4.8. Repair didn't help so I uninstalled it. CCC still doesn't work. I retried v4.5 installation with and without updates from Windows Update to retry CCC. It must be something else. I don't see any other versions in mu uninstall list. Programs and Features only show v3.5.1. I have no idea what other softwares use .NET. I just don't want to break them too. Worse case scenarios: Live without CCC and reinstall W7. -- ZzzZzz and so cold! Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org. / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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