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Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:57:44 -0500, Darren Garrison wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:17:54 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell wrote: Ouch. I don't like your choice of MB's, It's not AM2+, only AM2, and an old VIA chipset. Sata I, etc,etc. You can get an AM2+ MB with onboard graphics for not much more if any more depending on how good a shopper you are. No more than $20 more. AM2+ would give you an upgrade path to Phenom I concidered that-- the other mobo I was considering was this: http://3btech.net/bia7m2qucore.html But I decided that I didn't want the shared video memory. Plus, by the time I upgrade again, AM3 (or beyond) will be out, so the AM2+ mobo would still be last generation at that time. That's almost identical to this combo I got a rain check on. http://shopping.dallasnews.com/ROP/a...subid=24496391 -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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Help! (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:17:54 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell
wrote: http://3btech.net/msik9alsoam2.html Ouch. I don't like your choice of MB's, It's not AM2+, only AM2, and an old VIA chipset. Sata I, etc,etc. You can get an AM2+ MB with onboard graphics for not much more if any more depending on how good a shopper you are. No more than $20 more. AM2+ would give you an upgrade path to Phenom if you ever wanted it. I'd look for a MB with Nvidia 7050PV or 8200 chipset. And while it'll be PCIe, well the onboard video should be adequate. And a 45w X2 5050e to run on it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103298 Okay, my mobo/CPU/memory arrive today. I put the CPU, heatsink and fan on the new board and put in the DIMM. I take the old mobo out of the case, put in the new one, spend a long time making sure that I have all the connectors were plugged in correctly. Put in the AGP card. Make sure all the basics are set up. Boot. Drives spin up. Fans spin up. Nothing else happens-- no signal to the monitors. Then I think that maybe the on-board video is on by default, so I plug the monitor into the mobo's on-board video. Still no monitor, no post. Speaker connection is set up, but no error beeps of any kind. Next idea-- maybe the 2 GB DIMM is too big for the old mobo to recognize-- I switch the system off, pull the DIMM, hoping to hear an error beep and get the BIOS to come up with a memory error. Nothing. I reset the CMOS with the jumper. Still nothing. So the next step was to pull the CPU, and try booting-- the old Asus board at least gave a "CPU not present" message when no CPU is installed (talking BIOS, not a beeping one). But still nothing, no error beeps, no POST, no signal to the monitor. I had to pull the motherboard and reinstall my old one. So, I'm thinking that the motheboard is bad, or incapable of recognizing the 5050e (a retail boxed one, not OEM) and not the CPU itself bad. I'm ready to order a new, better mobo and send back, but first, I was hoping for second (or third) opinions on my "bad/old" mobo diagnosis and not "bad CPU". |
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Help! (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
You can look up the board on its web site and see if that cpu is
included in the supported cpu list. Since it's a very recent one and the chipset is so ancient, it probably isn't. -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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Help! (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
n Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:24:36 -0500, Darren Garrison wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:24:36 -0500, Darren Garrison wrote: So, I'm thinking that the motheboard is bad, or incapable of recognizing the 5050e (a retail boxed one, not OEM) and not the CPU itself bad. I'm ready to order a new, better mobo and send back, but first, I was hoping for second (or third) opinions on my "bad/old" mobo diagnosis and not "bad CPU". According to MSI, the K9MM-v Does not support the cpu you got. And I don't see a bios upgrade for it. Either time for another MB, or a supported cpu for that one. They don't even list that cpu for this board. Might contact them and see if they are going to release a bios for it, but you would still have to get it and find some way to flash it. Maybe borrow an older A64 from someone. http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...d_no=1104#menu BTW, there's no reason other than bios, that it won't support it. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php |
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Help! (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell wrote:
According to MSI, the K9MM-v Does not support the cpu you got. And I don't see a bios upgrade for it. Either time for another MB, or a supported cpu for that one. They don't even list that cpu for this board. Might contact them and see if they are going to release a bios for it, but you would still have to get it and find some way to flash it. Maybe borrow an older A64 from someone. http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...d_no=1104#menu BTW, there's no reason other than bios, that it won't support it. I can't see that any of the 125W CPUs are supported so maybe the motherboard just can't supply the current needed. -- Regards - Rodney Pont The from address exists but is mostly dumped, please send any emails to the address below e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk |
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Help! (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:13:42 -0800, Bill wrote:
Just curious, is there a particular reason why your looking at these trailing technology boards? Yeah, went from working to be a stay-at-home caregiver for an older relative. Budget is now very restricted. If I was working now, I'd already have the best 4-core system available. Now, I have to think 3 times before I drop $150 bucks on what I'm getting now. |
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Help! (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:48:47 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote: I can't see that any of the 125W CPUs are supported so maybe the motherboard just can't supply the current needed. The 5050e that I have is a 45 watt model, a low-power version of the 5000, which is supposed to be supported. I assumed (mistakenly) that the CPU would tell the mobo what it was and what it needed. |
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Help! (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell
wrote: BTW, there's no reason other than bios, that it won't support it. That's what I was thinking, I just wanted a second opinion. Anyway, I've already requested an RMA for that board and ordered this one http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/...t.php?S_ID=370 which does list the 5050. |
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Help! (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:46:02 -0500, Darren Garrison wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:48:47 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont" wrote: I can't see that any of the 125W CPUs are supported so maybe the motherboard just can't supply the current needed. The 5050e that I have is a 45 watt model, a low-power version of the 5000, which is supposed to be supported. I assumed (mistakenly) that the CPU would tell the mobo what it was and what it needed. Fishcakes!! I'm getting threads mixed up, maybe even groups. I thought this was about the 6400+, sorry I'll try and keep up in future :-) -- Regards - Rodney Pont The from address exists but is mostly dumped, please send any emails to the address below e-mail ngpsm4 (at) infohitsystems (dot) ltd (dot) uk |
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upgrade update (was Athlon XP/MP vs. Phenom)
Well, for anyone curious who helped me with (or at least looked at) the thread
on my upgrade questions and problems, it is done. I had devised a few benchmarks to compare the two setups using some of my typical applications. Benchmarks-- ConvertXtoDVD 3.3 converting 5 minute Divx to DVD: old system AthlonXP 1.8 GHz-- 2 min, 56 sec, or 1.68x realtime new system AthlonX2 2.6 GHz-- 0 min, 58 sec, or 5.11x realtime Virtualdub convert soft subs to hard subs on 5 minute Divx, 1-pass quality based, q4: old system AthlonXP 1.8 GHz-- 2 min, 35 sec new system AthlonX2 2.6 GHz-- 1 min, 01 sec So around a 300% increase for the DVD test and around 250% for the Divx test. |
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