Weird things happen with electricity through air.

On 09/07/2011 10:56 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Are these transients in the power lines at all times ?

The article mentions: "10 microseconds in duration"

But my question is:

Is it possible for a transient to remain in the power lines in a looping
kind of fashion ?

Not for long.
Otherwise it would have to be a coincidence... I plug it in... and a
transient happens...

But once ok, but twice ? Maybe fridge has something to do with it... or
the weather... there were some thunder storms lately... but I barely
hear them because of earplugs !

Last question: were power supplies in the 90's designed against
transients, how about now ?

I doubt much difference in the power supplies, THEMSELVES. But, I think
electronic devices are a LOT more sensitive, due to greatly reduced
component sizes and oxide thickness.
My DreamPC survived the power spark. My pentium did not... The answer
could then be: no not in the 90's yes in the 2000's.
You can generate high static electric voltages by walking across carpet,
sliding out of a chair, etc. Anything that produces friction,
especially of synthetic fabrics or plastics, can generate thousands of
Volts. Unless you are grounded by static-dissipative devices (wrist
straps, static-dissipative work surfaces and floors, and shoe grounds)
then you can get charged up, and anything you are holding (like a power
cord) can also be charged. When you plug it in to the grounded building
electrical system, you get a spark when that charge is dissipated. I
believe this is the type of event you experienced.
And, this can definitely damage equipment.

Jon

On 9/9/2011 3:57 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 09/07/2011 10:56 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Are these transients in the power lines at all times ?

The article mentions: "10 microseconds in duration"

But my question is:

Is it possible for a transient to remain in the power lines in a looping
kind of fashion ?

Not for long.
Otherwise it would have to be a coincidence... I plug it in... and a
transient happens...

But once ok, but twice ? Maybe fridge has something to do with it... or
the weather... there were some thunder storms lately... but I barely
hear them because of earplugs !

Last question: were power supplies in the 90's designed against
transients, how about now ?

I doubt much difference in the power supplies, THEMSELVES. But, I think
electronic devices are a LOT more sensitive, due to greatly reduced
component sizes and oxide thickness.
My DreamPC survived the power spark. My pentium did not... The answer
could then be: no not in the 90's yes in the 2000's.
You can generate high static electric voltages by walking across carpet,
sliding out of a chair, etc. Anything that produces friction, especially
of synthetic fabrics or plastics, can generate thousands of
Volts. Unless you are grounded by static-dissipative devices (wrist
straps, static-dissipative work surfaces and floors, and shoe grounds)
then you can get charged up, and anything you are holding (like a power
cord) can also be charged. When you plug it in to the grounded building
electrical system, you get a spark when that charge is dissipated. I
believe this is the type of event you experienced.
And, this can definitely damage equipment.

Jon

The spider must have been rather frenzied to generate that much ESP.

You do realize the OP is the infamous "Skypuke Farting"? He's absolutely
clueless on anything mechanical or electrical, and has a "rather
inventive/creative" mode of troubleshooting. Add to that a large dose of
self induced histrionics.....

Sometime back in the 2002-2005 timeframe, he decided he "needed to
understand hardware better" to do coding. His screwball posts started
back then, and after he built his god-forsaken home-brew "Dream Machine
2006" it snowballed.

There are coders that should never be allowed to touch hardware.
Skypuke Farting is the classic example.




--
"**** this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me mother****er?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum

The DreamPC probably has power supplies which provide "power surge
protection" it says so in the manuals, these are quite expensive power
supplies, probably much better than the cheap china supply which was in the
pentium.

Your theory of the shock sounds somewhat plausible.

For example when I go to super market I touch something in super market a
metal rack and get a huge zap out it.

However when I plugged the power cable into the power socket a blue-light
electrical spark came from the power wall socket and hopped over air into
the metal pin.

At least that's what I think I saw... I could be mistaken but I don't think
so... I am 90% sure.

It happened before I even have it on "camera" in a *.mov file.

However I can't find or excess the mov file just yet... perhaps in the
future.

However for now you will have to believe me I will describe the spark I saw
back then a little bit better so you can try to visualize it.

The spark was light blue, it was about 1 centimeter across, it was about
half a centimeter think, it had a plasma kinda of look.

I am pretty sure that my body cannot create such a gigant spark. The
ammount of energy seemed to be huge.

I have never seen a human body create such a big spark, therefore it can
only have come from the power wall socket.

Therefore I simply believe the power wall sockets and power plugs are
unsafe, at least the European ones.

A better design would be something that would allow me to plug in the power
cord without a spark flying across the air.

Perhaps a button on the power wall socket to enable the flow of electricity.

However the main question remains:

1. What happens to electricity when it flows through air like that ? As
describe in the spark description ?

Does the electricity accumulate in a powerfull blue spark ? Does the air
create a sort of plasma vortex which charges up and then ultimately jumps
across pins, which could explain an over voltage.

Does the electricity wildly fluctuate betweens voltages ?

Could it also loose energy because of the light being radiated ? Energy
transformed into light ? Could it therefore also under voltage ? Could under
voltage lead to system damage ?

Perhaps it's a matter of amperes and not voltages... me not sure... so far I
have wrecked a power supply by over voltage so voltage seems most likely to
me... I have also once seen a dude short-circuit a computer somehow by
short-circuiting a power wall socket with some kind of broken device or
cables crossed or something it was weird lol.

I do suspect this electricity to wildly fluctuate and somehow cause
computers to flip flop between 0's and 1's so it can't make sense of
things... or at least some ticks are screwed up somehow... or it simply did
not get enough juice and some bits flipped, because it seemed to
malfunction.... even after plugging in the power cord the system remained to
behave weird... so it was very weird to say the least... power cords had to
be completely unplugged for multiple seconds... to let this weird
electricity go out of the systems... only then would the systems work again.
The video I have of it shows it

Bye,
Skybuck.

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:23:28 -0700, "Nobody (Revisited)"
wrote:


The spider must have been rather frenzied to generate that much ESP.

Especially since they are all but blind. They have to rely on ESP to
find their prey. :-)

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 17:23:28 -0700, "Nobody (Revisited)"
wrote:

On 9/9/2011 3:57 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 09/07/2011 10:56 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Are these transients in the power lines at all times ?

The article mentions: "10 microseconds in duration"

But my question is:

Is it possible for a transient to remain in the power lines in a looping
kind of fashion ?

Not for long.
Otherwise it would have to be a coincidence... I plug it in... and a
transient happens...

But once ok, but twice ? Maybe fridge has something to do with it... or
the weather... there were some thunder storms lately... but I barely
hear them because of earplugs !

Last question: were power supplies in the 90's designed against
transients, how about now ?

I doubt much difference in the power supplies, THEMSELVES. But, I think
electronic devices are a LOT more sensitive, due to greatly reduced
component sizes and oxide thickness.
My DreamPC survived the power spark. My pentium did not... The answer
could then be: no not in the 90's yes in the 2000's.
You can generate high static electric voltages by walking across carpet,
sliding out of a chair, etc. Anything that produces friction, especially
of synthetic fabrics or plastics, can generate thousands of
Volts. Unless you are grounded by static-dissipative devices (wrist
straps, static-dissipative work surfaces and floors, and shoe grounds)
then you can get charged up, and anything you are holding (like a power
cord) can also be charged. When you plug it in to the grounded building
electrical system, you get a spark when that charge is dissipated. I
believe this is the type of event you experienced.
And, this can definitely damage equipment.

Jon

The spider must have been rather frenzied to generate that much ESP.

You do realize the OP is the infamous "Skypuke Farting"? He's absolutely
clueless on anything mechanical or electrical, and has a "rather
inventive/creative" mode of troubleshooting. Add to that a large dose of
self induced histrionics.....

Sometime back in the 2002-2005 timeframe, he decided he "needed to
understand hardware better" to do coding. His screwball posts started
back then, and after he built his god-forsaken home-brew "Dream Machine
2006" it snowballed.

There are coders that should never be allowed to touch hardware.
Skypuke Farting is the classic example.

If flybuck is a "coder". I doubt that. The troll needs to go back
through grade school science and physics that it failed to learn the first
time.

:-((

brent wrote:
On Sep 7, 10:20 pm, "Skybuck Flying"
wrote:
Hello,

Here some suggestions for further research:

1. One metal pin in the power wall socket.

2. One metal pin in the air near power wall socket.

Results:

Electricity spark flows through the air from pin to pin.

Weird stuff happens to electrical equipment.

Bye,
Skybuck.

I give you credit... You are a rather good hearted troll.

Wonder what would happen if he took all that creativity used to generate
gibberish and pointed it toward something useful...like a book on
electronics.