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w_tom wrote:
David Maynard worried about daily transients created by utility line switching. I said no such thing. Transient that must also have been destroying HIS LED clock. A flat out lie that YOU invented. After years of LED clock failure (that did not happen) et al, then David Maynard said we need plug-in protectors. Another lie. Oh? Those clocks were not failing daily or weekly due to line switching? Well then what protected even those LED clocks? Maybe those destructive line switching transients just don't exist? Duhhhh..... Besides being an all around pompous ass, you are a bald face liar. In the meantime, the point of that post and LED clock example was that destructive transient occur typically once every eight years. And I've not have one of your "whole house protectors" for way longer tha= n=20 8 years with no "LED clock" damage. So, by your own idiotic criteria, you= r=20 device is 'unnecessary' as well. Does one need protection? First, what is the frequency of destructive transients in your neighborhood?=20 We know even from LED clocks that destructive surges are rare events. That argument depends on the entirely fallacious presumption that an "LED= =20 clock" is 100% representative of every electronic device. Do we put a plug-in protector on all clocks at =A310 or =A330 per clock? Yes according to those here who work for the plug-in protector industry. Two more lies. Spend big bucks to protect an appliance that already has effective adjacent protection? I'm tempted to call this another lie but it could be that your just plain= =20 stupid, or both. =20 Bagpuss wrote: =20 As we all know about the perpetual motion engine (buttered toast strapped to the back of a dropped cat) perhaps we could generate a stasis device by pluging 4 of w_toms exploding LED clocks in to a belkin surge protector. It should result in a set of LED clocks permenantly in the state of breakdown due to the expected surge,=20 but the surge never quite arriving at the clocks. The result, I=20 theorise, is a destructive spark suspended in time somewhere=20 inside the belkin unit or one of 4 clocks resulting in a set of 4 clocks that will never breakdown. |
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w_tom wrote:
Defined is an ineffective protector made bluntly obvious by 1) no dedicated connection to earth ground AND 2) avoids all discussion about earthing. What's "bluntly obvious" is that you have no clue what 'earth ground' is or what protects equipment. snip of irrelevant UPS babble and slanderous accusations from w_tom In the meantime, as a Belkin employee, Do you have to actually work at being a bald face liar or does it just come naturally? then please tell us what happened to the 'all so necessary' earth ground connection. It's in the wall plug, dummy. And where are the technical notes that discuss essential earthing? This product is so effective? It must have some secret grounding technique. Or is earthing just another 'secret' along with those warranty exemptions. It's rather obvious to the rest of the world but, since you consider this a 'secret', listen up close... psst... it's in the wall plug, dummy. David Maynard wrote: w_tom wrote: If a warranty was really a measure of product quality, then Hyundais are clearly much more reliable than Hondas and Toyotas. After all Hyundai promotes their vastly superior warranty. In the first place, we're not talking about a warrantee on the 'product', we're talking about an insurance of devices protected by it. The is a modicum of truth to pointing out that warrantee alone is not a 'perfect' indicator, however... Especially with surge protectors, the larger a warranty, then the protector is typically less effective. that statement is patently absurd. A benchmark in protectors is Polyphaser. They offer no warranty. But then we have repeated testimony from those who learned about that warranty first hand: Newsman on 10 Sept 2002 in the newsgroup alt.video.ptv.tivo entitled "SONY TiVo SVR-2000" I got a Belkin surge protector with phone line protection soley for Tivo purposes. Yet my Tivo's modem still failed. And the '$20,000 connected devices warranty' did not help me. I jumped through many hoops, including finding the original recept for the surge protector (just under a year old) and I sent my surge protector to Belkin (paid for shipping), and was denied my warranty. They gave me a ton of crap, including that it was null and void b/c the Tivo was also connected to the coax line for cable Of course, because it, the surge protector, can't protect something it's not connected to: I.E. the cable connection. Belkin offers protectors with modem protection as well as protectors with cable connection protection but he apparently had the wrong one on it. (this was not mentioned as a thing in the warranty that can nullify it). This person apparently didn't read the warrantee because it IS explained fully. Eventually it boiled down to a line in the warranty that said "Belkin at it's sole discretion can reject any claim for any reason". Try reading the fine print attached to that warranty before jumping to conclusions. I DID read it, and it's obvious you haven't a clue. Not that that stops you from spouting garbage about it anyway. They did provide that long list of exemptions with the Belkin protector. Oh? They forgot to provide that information? How curious. What isn't curious are your perpetual innuendoes and attacks on manufacturers you have no clue about, terms and conditions you have no clue about, and technology you have no clue about. |
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Bagpuss wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:44:53 -0500, David Maynard wrote: Snip I DID read it, and it's obvious you haven't a clue. Not that that stops you from spouting garbage about it anyway. They did provide that long list of exemptions with the Belkin protector. Oh? They forgot to provide that information? How curious. What isn't curious are your perpetual innuendoes and attacks on manufacturers you have no clue about, terms and conditions you have no clue about, and technology you have no clue about. As we all know about the perpetual motion engine (buttered toast strapped to the back of a dropped cat) perhaps we could generate a stasis device by pluging 4 of w_toms exploding LED clocks in to a belkin surge protector. It should result in a set of LED clocks permenantly in the state of breakdown due to the expected surge, but the surge never quite arriving at the clocks. The result, I theorise, is a destructive spark suspended in time somewhere inside the belkin unit or one of 4 clocks resulting in a set of 4 clocks that will never breakdown. Hehe. A 'surge' version of Schrodinger's cat, eh? Much like like the Asphyx suspended in the box lit by a flash compound in the film The Asphyx. |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:26:11 -0500, David Maynard
wrote: Bagpuss wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:44:53 -0500, David Maynard wrote: Snip I DID read it, and it's obvious you haven't a clue. Not that that stops you from spouting garbage about it anyway. They did provide that long list of exemptions with the Belkin protector. Oh? They forgot to provide that information? How curious. What isn't curious are your perpetual innuendoes and attacks on manufacturers you have no clue about, terms and conditions you have no clue about, and technology you have no clue about. As we all know about the perpetual motion engine (buttered toast strapped to the back of a dropped cat) perhaps we could generate a stasis device by pluging 4 of w_toms exploding LED clocks in to a belkin surge protector. It should result in a set of LED clocks permenantly in the state of breakdown due to the expected surge, but the surge never quite arriving at the clocks. The result, I theorise, is a destructive spark suspended in time somewhere inside the belkin unit or one of 4 clocks resulting in a set of 4 clocks that will never breakdown. Hehe. A 'surge' version of Schrodinger's cat, eh? Yep , Shrodinger's^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Tom's Clock. Much like like the Asphyx suspended in the box lit by a flash compound in the film The Asphyx. |
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"Harry" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:10:40 +0100, Bagpuss wrote: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:47:28 +0100, Lem wrote: snip Am I being too complacent? I've never used one. I've never had a surge blow anything either. My next door neigbour as one for her PC, but makes SFA difference. Of course in our house the fuse box has one of those quick trip over fueses where even if a light bulb blows you have to reset the trip switch, but even then its only ever the light bulb circuit that trips. We are the same with regard to the fuse box tripping out. I do have surge protectors on my PC equipment. For an extra few quid it seemed a good safety measure. Chances of a power surge are probably 5000 to 1. But wouldnt you feel silly if you were that 5000th person? At then end of the day its your call. Do you feel lucky? Just how many thunderstorms are we having compared with last year, and the year before? Hi Harry! Where are you located? UK? Australia? Hope you don't have as many thunder/lightning storms as we do here in Tampa, Florida in the good old US of A. It's like constant artillery fire around here. |
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