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Old July 14th 04, 03:10 AM
David Maynard
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w_tom wrote:

David Maynard worried about daily transients created by
utility line switching.


I said no such thing.

Transient that must also have been
destroying HIS LED clock.


A flat out lie that YOU invented.

After years of LED clock failure
(that did not happen) et al, then David Maynard said we need
plug-in protectors.


Another lie.

Oh? Those clocks were not failing daily
or weekly due to line switching? Well then what protected
even those LED clocks? Maybe those destructive line switching
transients just don't exist? Duhhhh.....


Besides being an all around pompous ass, you are a bald face liar.

In the meantime, the point of that post and LED clock
example was that destructive transient occur typically once
every eight years.


And I've not have one of your "whole house protectors" for way longer tha=
n=20
8 years with no "LED clock" damage. So, by your own idiotic criteria, you=
r=20
device is 'unnecessary' as well.

Does one need protection? First, what is
the frequency of destructive transients in your neighborhood?=20
We know even from LED clocks that destructive surges are rare
events.


That argument depends on the entirely fallacious presumption that an "LED=
=20
clock" is 100% representative of every electronic device.

Do we put a plug-in protector on all clocks at =A310 or
=A330 per clock? Yes according to those here who work for the
plug-in protector industry.


Two more lies.

Spend big bucks to protect an
appliance that already has effective adjacent protection?


I'm tempted to call this another lie but it could be that your just plain=
=20
stupid, or both.

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Bagpuss wrote:
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As we all know about the perpetual motion engine (buttered toast
strapped to the back of a dropped cat) perhaps we could generate a
stasis device by pluging 4 of w_toms exploding LED clocks in to a
belkin surge protector. It should result in a set of LED clocks
permenantly in the state of breakdown due to the expected surge,=20
but the surge never quite arriving at the clocks. The result, I=20
theorise, is a destructive spark suspended in time somewhere=20
inside the belkin unit or one of 4 clocks resulting in a set
of 4 clocks that will never breakdown.


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Old July 14th 04, 03:42 AM
David Maynard
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w_tom wrote:

Defined is an ineffective protector made bluntly obvious by
1) no dedicated connection to earth ground AND 2) avoids all
discussion about earthing.


What's "bluntly obvious" is that you have no clue what 'earth ground' is or
what protects equipment.

snip of irrelevant UPS babble and slanderous accusations from w_tom

In the meantime, as a Belkin employee,


Do you have to actually work at being a bald face liar or does it just come
naturally?

then please tell us
what happened to the 'all so necessary' earth ground
connection.


It's in the wall plug, dummy.

And where are the technical notes that discuss
essential earthing? This product is so effective? It must
have some secret grounding technique. Or is earthing just
another 'secret' along with those warranty exemptions.


It's rather obvious to the rest of the world but, since you consider this a
'secret', listen up close... psst... it's in the wall plug, dummy.


David Maynard wrote:

w_tom wrote:

If a warranty was really a measure of product quality, then
Hyundais are clearly much more reliable than Hondas and
Toyotas. After all Hyundai promotes their vastly superior
warranty.


In the first place, we're not talking about a warrantee on
the 'product', we're talking about an insurance of devices
protected by it.

The is a modicum of truth to pointing out that warrantee
alone is not a 'perfect' indicator, however...


Especially with surge protectors, the larger a warranty,
then the protector is typically less effective.


that statement is patently absurd.


A benchmark in protectors is Polyphaser. They offer no
warranty. But then we have repeated testimony from
those who learned about that warranty first hand:
Newsman on 10 Sept 2002 in the newsgroup alt.video.ptv.tivo
entitled "SONY TiVo SVR-2000"

I got a Belkin surge protector with phone line protection
soley for Tivo purposes.
Yet my Tivo's modem still failed. And the '$20,000
connected devices warranty' did not help me. I jumped
through many hoops, including finding the original recept
for the surge protector (just under a year old) and I
sent my surge protector to Belkin (paid for shipping), and
was denied my warranty. They gave me a ton of crap,
including that it was null and void b/c the Tivo was also
connected to the coax line for cable


Of course, because it, the surge protector, can't protect
something it's not connected to: I.E. the cable connection.

Belkin offers protectors with modem protection as well as
protectors with cable connection protection but he
apparently had the wrong one on it.


(this was not

mentioned as a thing in the warranty that can nullify it).


This person apparently didn't read the warrantee because it
IS explained fully.


Eventually it boiled down to a line in the warranty that
said "Belkin at it's sole discretion can reject any claim
for any reason".


Try reading the fine print attached to that warranty before
jumping to conclusions.


I DID read it, and it's obvious you haven't a clue. Not that
that stops you from spouting garbage about it anyway.


They did provide that long list of exemptions with the
Belkin protector. Oh? They forgot to provide that
information? How curious.


What isn't curious are your perpetual innuendoes and
attacks on manufacturers you have no clue about, terms
and conditions you have no clue about, and technology
you have no clue about.


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Old July 14th 04, 06:26 AM
David Maynard
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Bagpuss wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:44:53 -0500, David Maynard
wrote:


Snip


I DID read it, and it's obvious you haven't a clue. Not that that stops you


from spouting garbage about it anyway.


They did provide that long list of
exemptions with the Belkin protector. Oh? They forgot to
provide that information? How curious.


What isn't curious are your perpetual innuendoes and attacks on
manufacturers you have no clue about, terms and conditions you have no clue
about, and technology you have no clue about.



As we all know about the perpetual motion engine (buttered toast
strapped to the back of a dropped cat) perhaps we could generate a
stasis device by pluging 4 of w_toms exploding LED clocks in to a
belkin surge protector. It should result in a set of LED clocks
permenantly in the state of breakdown due to the expected surge, but
the surge never quite arriving at the clocks. The result, I theorise,
is a destructive spark suspended in time somewhere inside the belkin
unit or one of 4 clocks resulting in a set of 4 clocks that will never
breakdown.


Hehe. A 'surge' version of Schrodinger's cat, eh?


Much like like the Asphyx suspended in the box lit by a flash compound
in the film The Asphyx.


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Old July 14th 04, 09:12 AM
Bagpuss
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:26:11 -0500, David Maynard
wrote:

Bagpuss wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:44:53 -0500, David Maynard
wrote:


Snip


I DID read it, and it's obvious you haven't a clue. Not that that stops you


from spouting garbage about it anyway.


They did provide that long list of
exemptions with the Belkin protector. Oh? They forgot to
provide that information? How curious.

What isn't curious are your perpetual innuendoes and attacks on
manufacturers you have no clue about, terms and conditions you have no clue
about, and technology you have no clue about.



As we all know about the perpetual motion engine (buttered toast
strapped to the back of a dropped cat) perhaps we could generate a
stasis device by pluging 4 of w_toms exploding LED clocks in to a
belkin surge protector. It should result in a set of LED clocks
permenantly in the state of breakdown due to the expected surge, but
the surge never quite arriving at the clocks. The result, I theorise,
is a destructive spark suspended in time somewhere inside the belkin
unit or one of 4 clocks resulting in a set of 4 clocks that will never
breakdown.


Hehe. A 'surge' version of Schrodinger's cat, eh?


Yep , Shrodinger's^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Tom's Clock.



Much like like the Asphyx suspended in the box lit by a flash compound
in the film The Asphyx.


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Old July 20th 04, 08:04 PM
Panos Papadopolous
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"Harry" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:10:40 +0100, Bagpuss
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:47:28 +0100, Lem wrote:


snip


Am I being too complacent?


I've never used one. I've never had a surge blow anything either. My
next door neigbour as one for her PC, but makes SFA difference. Of
course in our house the fuse box has one of those quick trip over
fueses where even if a light bulb blows you have to reset the trip
switch, but even then its only ever the light bulb circuit that trips.


We are the same with regard to the fuse box tripping out.

I do have surge protectors on my PC equipment. For an extra few quid
it seemed a good safety measure.

Chances of a power surge are probably 5000 to 1. But wouldnt you feel
silly if you were that 5000th person?

At then end of the day its your call. Do you feel lucky? Just how many
thunderstorms are we having compared with last year, and the year
before?


Hi Harry!

Where are you located? UK? Australia?

Hope you don't have as many thunder/lightning storms as we do here in Tampa,
Florida in the good old US of A.

It's like constant artillery fire around here.


 




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