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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800 "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do. I could see a company being prevented from deliberately _breaking_ an existing product, however. But you're going to need powerful lawyers, and possibly even a change in the law, to force that through. I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday. It will never be ready. it will only get worse. I was perfectly happy running Windows 7, then Microsoft started deliberately destroying its operating system. I have never understood why a company would do this. As well as "to make you buy the new one", it's so they can put an end date on supporting the old one, which costs them money and brings in no income for them. I'm not supporting them in this, of course. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf he was eventually struck off by the BMA in 1968 for not knowing his gluteus maximus from his humerus. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny writes: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800 "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do. snip One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10, although that opinion isn't universal. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny writes: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800 "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do. snip One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10, although that opinion isn't universal. I don't even think it needs to be compared to Windows 10. As Windows 10 is just full of circus tricks. If you need basic functionality supporting modern APIs, Windows 7 has most everything you might profit from. Paul |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
On 2019-01-18 01:46, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny writes: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800 "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do. snip One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10, although that opinion isn't universal. I don't even think it needs to be compared to Windows 10. As Windows 10 is just full of circus tricks. If you need basic functionality supporting modern APIs, Windows 7 has most everything you might profit from. Paul Personally I think Windows 8.1 is the best option out there for people who do not want to use Windows 10 (me). Windows 7 boots slower than 8.1 + start menu is not really necessary for me. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
On 2019-01-17 09:37, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? Not a chance. I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday. No-one is forcing you to use it. I know people who are still using XP; the fact that Microsoft has stopped supporting XP makes no difference to them. You can simply keep on using Win 7, support or no support. You can install one of the many Linux distros. You can get a Mac. There are many other possible choices. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
In message , Paul
writes: Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny writes: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800 "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do. snip One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10, although that opinion isn't universal. Obsolete was the wrong word. I meant the company that makes it is no longer selling it. Microsoft have always behaved as if their latest was best - would be a massive loss of face for them to backtrack. The only way out when they _have_ nailed their colours to a dud, in the past, has been to bring out the next one. But with their statement that 10 will be/is the last Windows, combined with their new (for 10) upgrade policy, they can't do that now. I don't even think it needs to be compared to Windows 10. As Windows 10 is just full of circus tricks. If you need basic functionality supporting modern APIs, Windows 7 has most everything you might profit from. Indeed. Paul -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Abandon hope, all ye who ENTER here. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? You might as well try engthen the life of democracy in Hong Kong using the legal system. [followups set] -- 民主好! 民主好! 民主好! |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:45:39 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Obsolete was the wrong word. I meant the company that makes it is no longer selling it. That's really a choice for MSFT. When/if they no longer support a version - usually after a couple of newer versions have been released - they are perfectly entitled to label the old version 'obsolete'. Fans of such versions of course may crowd together and share hints and tips, just like fans of old cars do even after the original makers went out of business. At the present time we know MSFT have released win10 versions 1511, 1607, 1703,1709, 1803, 1809 in a semi-annual pattern of feature updates. Hard to keep up for large user organisations no doubt, but easy enough for individual home/pro users, just like a stream of service packs. The only hard choice recently is the move from support for 32 bit machines to a 64 bit focus. That is a hard one when there are significant numbers still with 32 bit machines. Fair enough for the Win7 crowd to get together and share their nostalgia for the old days, but no need to pollute the Windows10 newsgroup with such sentimentality. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:01:33 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny writes: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800 "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do. snip One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make the determination in the first place? Here is Merriam-Webster's definition of "obsolete": 1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful an obsolete word b : of a kind or style no longer current : old-fashioned an obsolete technology farming methods that are now obsolete As far as I'm concerned, it's not quite obsolete, but it's clearly getting there. It's obsolescent. Here is Merriam-Webster's definition of "obsolescent": going out of use : becoming obsolete Again, clearly Windows 7 is going out of use. It certainly doesn't seem obsolete to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10, although that opinion isn't universal. I don't agree. In my experience, both Windows 7 and 10 are almost completely stable. I don't remember any Windows 10 crashes here. Also in my experience, Windows 10 is just as functional as Windows 7. Anything that can be done in Windows 7 can also be done in Window 10. Add third-party programs like Start 10 (which I use and like very much) and Directory Opus (which I use and also like very much) and it can be done just as easily (or more easily, in the case of Directory Opus) as in Windows 7. One other comment: what is perceived as Windows 10 lack of stability by many people often has nothing to do with stability. Crashes can be caused by many things: hardware problems, malware infection, user errors, bad software, etc. And if a crash occurs on the computer of someone who thinks Windows 10 is a bad choice, he usually doesn't know what caused it, and typically blames it on Windows 10. I'll take that one step further: roll the clock back and change all instances of "Windows 10" in the above paragraph to "the latest version of Windows," and it remains true. There are almost always many people who think the latest version of Windows, whatever it is, is terrible, and blame all their problems on it. |
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Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:39:38 -0700
Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:01:33 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny writes: On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800 "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to extend its support for Windows 7? I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do. snip One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make the determination in the first place? Here is Merriam-Webster's definition of "obsolete": 1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful an obsolete word b : of a kind or style no longer current : old-fashioned an obsolete technology farming methods that are now obsolete As far as I'm concerned, it's not quite obsolete, but it's clearly getting there. It's obsolescent. Here is Merriam-Webster's definition of "obsolescent": going out of use : becoming obsolete Again, clearly Windows 7 is going out of use. It certainly doesn't seem obsolete to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10, although that opinion isn't universal. I don't agree. In my experience, both Windows 7 and 10 are almost completely stable. I don't remember any Windows 10 crashes here. Also in my experience, Windows 10 is just as functional as Windows 7. Anything that can be done in Windows 7 can also be done in Window 10. Add third-party programs like Start 10 (which I use and like very much) and Directory Opus (which I use and also like very much) and it can be done just as easily (or more easily, in the case of Directory Opus) as in Windows 7. One other comment: what is perceived as Windows 10 lack of stability by many people often has nothing to do with stability. Crashes can be caused by many things: hardware problems, malware infection, user errors, bad software, etc. And if a crash occurs on the computer of someone who thinks Windows 10 is a bad choice, he usually doesn't know what caused it, and typically blames it on Windows 10. I'll take that one step further: roll the clock back and change all instances of "Windows 10" in the above paragraph to "the latest version of Windows," and it remains true. There are almost always many people who think the latest version of Windows, whatever it is, is terrible, and blame all their problems on it. I never thought any of them were terrible until Windows 8. |
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