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VanguardLH wrote:
NOTE: John Doe changed the original list of newsgroups from: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt to: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,free.spam This is a troll manuever to flame a different an unrelated newsgroup. John was hoping that I would detect his sly change. Corrections: This is a troll manuever to flame a different AND unrelated newsgroup. John was hoping that I would NOT detect his sly change. |
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Paul wrote:
John Doe wrote: https://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-VISE-GR...+Wire+Stripper Tried it on some regular power cord wire. Wonderful. I so wish I had this decades ago. Then again, it wasn't available decades ago. Not that I do that much, but it would have been so much nicer. Wire stripping has always been a hassle. I do not like losing a strand or two of stranded wire. Apparently this tool does not damage the wire. Automatic wire strippers have existed for a long time. We had a pair at work. Shurly you can find images on Google... Only problem with them was: 1) Price. They charged "industrial" prices for them. I expected this one to cost a lot more. 2) Probably didn't work quite as well as the one you got. I played with ours at work, but felt no attraction to them. They were a novelty item in the tool chest. I did most of my work with this style. http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...Stripper-Wire/ Everyone has probably seen this kind, and these suck. It takes a good deal of practice to keep the wire nicking to a minimum. I used these for some number of years as a hobbyist, before I got my first T-5 style stripper. The non-automated ones still take practice, but the ones in the following picture make the practice brutal. I expect a lot of people, this is all they had on sale at the hardware store. http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/ma...9937p.html#srp And there are all sorts of insulation types, each with their own foibles. Not every wire stripping job is easy. I have very good coordination, as in mouse-slinging multiplayer gaming and juggling. But I find the large majority of wire stripping to be a pain in the rear. Besides the issues you mention, one obvious problem with the typical wire strippers you point to is the fact the cutting edges are angled in opposite directions. When you are pulling to remove the insulation, one side of the cutter is digging into the wire and the other side is moving away from the wire. But I doubt the junk can be made any other way. Otherwise it will not cut into the insulation. Check out some of the videos on YouTube. https://youtu.be/ZytYjq9X78A?t=204 |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 21:01:44 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote: If that is what you think, good for you. Not me! It is not just having the right size stripper, it is holding and twisting the thing and then ending up losing a strand or two of wire no matter how carefully I do it. Totally irritating. Another idea is to research the Asian market for tools on Ebay. The quality of Asian electronics tools can be very good for moderate prices -- if a good lead on a good model/make can be found. $30US for a wire stripper, auto or not, in the Asian market, I'd be surprised if the relative value on that didn't show for some very efficient alternatives. |
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John Doe wrote:
Paul wrote: John Doe wrote: https://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-VISE-GR...+Wire+Stripper Tried it on some regular power cord wire. Wonderful. I so wish I had this decades ago. Then again, it wasn't available decades ago. Not that I do that much, but it would have been so much nicer. Wire stripping has always been a hassle. I do not like losing a strand or two of stranded wire. Apparently this tool does not damage the wire. Automatic wire strippers have existed for a long time. We had a pair at work. Shurly you can find images on Google... Only problem with them was: 1) Price. They charged "industrial" prices for them. I expected this one to cost a lot more. 2) Probably didn't work quite as well as the one you got. I played with ours at work, but felt no attraction to them. They were a novelty item in the tool chest. I did most of my work with this style. http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...Stripper-Wire/ Everyone has probably seen this kind, and these suck. It takes a good deal of practice to keep the wire nicking to a minimum. I used these for some number of years as a hobbyist, before I got my first T-5 style stripper. The non-automated ones still take practice, but the ones in the following picture make the practice brutal. I expect a lot of people, this is all they had on sale at the hardware store. http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/ma...9937p.html#srp And there are all sorts of insulation types, each with their own foibles. Not every wire stripping job is easy. I have very good coordination, as in mouse-slinging multiplayer gaming and juggling. But I find the large majority of wire stripping to be a pain in the rear. Besides the issues you mention, one obvious problem with the typical wire strippers you point to is the fact the cutting edges are angled in opposite directions. When you are pulling to remove the insulation, one side of the cutter is digging into the wire and the other side is moving away from the wire. But I doubt the junk can be made any other way. Otherwise it will not cut into the insulation. Check out some of the videos on YouTube. https://youtu.be/ZytYjq9X78A?t=204 As mentioned in my other reply, the auto-stripper is not cutting the insulation. It is pinching the insulation between the top and bottom teeth in the right-side jaws and then TEARING the insulation away. That is the same technique used with the cutters in a needle nose pliers. You do NOT cut the insulation when using the cutter blades. You PINCH the insulation. Whether you use the needle nose or auto-stripper, you are tearing the insulation. Cutting into it means a [high] potential for nicking the wires which makes them break when flexed or worse cutting some strands of the twisted wire. This is the same way you do coax: you SCORE (not cut through) the outer sheath to tear it away to expose the braided ground shield. Cutting into insulation should only be done by specialized stripper designed for specific cabling because those tools know just how far to cut into the insulation. The auto-stripper affords consistent operation versus someone that rarely does any wiring; however, experienced electricians have done this so often that it has become muscle memory, like you learning to juggle so you eventually aren't a clumsy juggler dropping everything. You'll see the same difference between someone that has done lots of soldering (wires, PCB, or plumbing) versus a one-time DIYer. Someone might come up with a tool that cuts copper pipe, unburrs the end, sands the end to remove oxide, and pre-applies rosin but I doubt many plumbers are going to bother toting it around. More likely that tool, if it exists, in the shop where lots of baseboard radiators or other repetitive construction were applied. I've yet to see an electrician toting around an auto-stripper. It could speed up their work but they're pretty pharking quick already. Seems more like a tool to keep in the shop for repetitive work on numerous wiring jobs or something a hobbyist would like to compensate for their lack of expertise. The tool has its place and this one is cheap; however, auto-strippers aren't new and I've yet to see an electrician packing one in his toolbox but I have seen them toting specialized crimpers, like for RJ-45/11 jacks or for coax connectors. If you're looking for something handy to fill up your toolbox, yep, this tool is one. My toolboxes are so full that putting in more gadgets means having to get a bigger toolbox. The older I get, the harder it gets to lug around a bigger toolbox which still ends up packed tight with tools and parts. The more space in a toolbox, the more gets packed into it and the heavier it gets. If I was planning on doing a big wiring job, like replacing the old circuit breaker box that has Franklin breakers (no longer available since they went out of business around 40 years ago) and adding more circuits so the breakers snap off less, especially for the garage, yeah, I'd get one of these during the planning stage. For putting in a replacement wall switch, nah, I wouldn't bother buying one of these. For building my own PCs (to keep this discussion on-topic here), I definitely wouldn't need this tool. It's a good tool. It employs the same technique that I use with a needle nose pliers to tear away the insulation (not cut through it). I have an old auto-stripper but it does cut into the insulation so I have to be careful in which recess the wire is placed (I start oversized and reduce if needed). At first, I thought it was a neat gadget. Now it just sits and is rarely used in my electrical toolbox. |
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John Doe wrote:
According to this guy it was $35 in 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKMAhbQfYsg Pricing varies wildly. I found one place where it was $16 new and another place where they wanted $60 new. Comparison shopping is still a cost saving activity. Irwin's own site doesn't actually sell their wares. When you click on their shop link, you get a Google Shopping search (used to be Froogle): https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...300&gws_rd=ssl Their pliers has the "Vise Grip" logo which is trademarked. They have their own Vise Grip page (http://www.irwin.com/tools/brands/vise-grip). From http://www.irwin.com/about-us, looks like anything labelled Vise Grip means it is an Irwin tool. Interesting. Didn't know that. |
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I would be surprised if the poster can provide modern
citations with experienced electricians downplaying the value/usefulness of Irwin's auto stripper in their work. If that were true, there would be YouTube videos showing the comparison. The poster should make a comparison video and show us how he avoids cutting up the wire while it is efficiently stripped. Or at least point to one? Anything on YouTube (or elsewhere on the Internet) to support his opinion? Anything at all? On USENET, I have seen some alleged dentists saying there is no benefit to electric toothbrushes. When in fact every scientific study shows there is a great benefit to using an electric toothbrush versus a manual toothbrush. Talk is cheap. Everybody has an opinion. And some people just love to troll. -- VanguardLH V nguard.LH wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.unit0.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: VanguardLH V nguard.LH Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Subject: Automatic wire strippers! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 09:04:25 -0500 Organization: Usenet Elder Lines: 121 Sender: VanguardLH Message-ID: elc379FjptgU1 mid.individual.net References: ocmcis$1b8$1 dont-email.me el856hFr2bkU1 mid.individual.net ocooou$2u4$1 dont-email.me ocp0km$uo7$1 dont-email.me ocpblc$dv3$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net vDwG5y/2rQ3ROTs6b0SE/gyt5E7VS0UvbGLDPLZjxXu9gE5wdf Keywords: VanguardLH VLH811 Cancel-Lock: sha1:i3chsRED3HuvRUtaYG+aFx9BJpE= User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41 Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:35967 John Doe always.look message.header wrote: Paul nospam needed.invalid wrote: John Doe wrote: https://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-VISE-GR...+Wire+Stripper Tried it on some regular power cord wire. Wonderful. I so wish I had this decades ago. Then again, it wasn't available decades ago. Not that I do that much, but it would have been so much nicer. Wire stripping has always been a hassle. I do not like losing a strand or two of stranded wire. Apparently this tool does not damage the wire. Automatic wire strippers have existed for a long time. We had a pair at work. Shurly you can find images on Google... Only problem with them was: 1) Price. They charged "industrial" prices for them. I expected this one to cost a lot more. 2) Probably didn't work quite as well as the one you got. I played with ours at work, but felt no attraction to them. They were a novelty item in the tool chest. I did most of my work with this style. http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...Stripper-Wire/ Everyone has probably seen this kind, and these suck. It takes a good deal of practice to keep the wire nicking to a minimum. I used these for some number of years as a hobbyist, before I got my first T-5 style stripper. The non-automated ones still take practice, but the ones in the following picture make the practice brutal. I expect a lot of people, this is all they had on sale at the hardware store. http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/ma...9937p.html#srp And there are all sorts of insulation types, each with their own foibles. Not every wire stripping job is easy. I have very good coordination, as in mouse-slinging multiplayer gaming and juggling. But I find the large majority of wire stripping to be a pain in the rear. Besides the issues you mention, one obvious problem with the typical wire strippers you point to is the fact the cutting edges are angled in opposite directions. When you are pulling to remove the insulation, one side of the cutter is digging into the wire and the other side is moving away from the wire. But I doubt the junk can be made any other way. Otherwise it will not cut into the insulation. Check out some of the videos on YouTube. https://youtu.be/ZytYjq9X78A?t=204 As mentioned in my other reply, the auto-stripper is not cutting the insulation. It is pinching the insulation between the top and bottom teeth in the right-side jaws and then TEARING the insulation away. That is the same technique used with the cutters in a needle nose pliers. You do NOT cut the insulation when using the cutter blades. You PINCH the insulation. Whether you use the needle nose or auto-stripper, you are tearing the insulation. Cutting into it means a [high] potential for nicking the wires which makes them break when flexed or worse cutting some strands of the twisted wire. This is the same way you do coax: you SCORE (not cut through) the outer sheath to tear it away to expose the braided ground shield. Cutting into insulation should only be done by specialized stripper designed for specific cabling because those tools know just how far to cut into the insulation. The auto-stripper affords consistent operation versus someone that rarely does any wiring; however, experienced electricians have done this so often that it has become muscle memory, like you learning to juggle so you eventually aren't a clumsy juggler dropping everything. You'll see the same difference between someone that has done lots of soldering (wires, PCB, or plumbing) versus a one-time DIYer. Someone might come up with a tool that cuts copper pipe, unburrs the end, sands the end to remove oxide, and pre-applies rosin but I doubt many plumbers are going to bother toting it around. More likely that tool, if it exists, in the shop where lots of baseboard radiators or other repetitive construction were applied. I've yet to see an electrician toting around an auto-stripper. It could speed up their work but they're pretty pharking quick already. Seems more like a tool to keep in the shop for repetitive work on numerous wiring jobs or something a hobbyist would like to compensate for their lack of expertise. The tool has its place and this one is cheap; however, auto-strippers aren't new and I've yet to see an electrician packing one in his toolbox but I have seen them toting specialized crimpers, like for RJ-45/11 jacks or for coax connectors. If you're looking for something handy to fill up your toolbox, yep, this tool is one. My toolboxes are so full that putting in more gadgets means having to get a bigger toolbox. The older I get, the harder it gets to lug around a bigger toolbox which still ends up packed tight with tools and parts. The more space in a toolbox, the more gets packed into it and the heavier it gets. If I was planning on doing a big wiring job, like replacing the old circuit breaker box that has Franklin breakers (no longer available since they went out of business around 40 years ago) and adding more circuits so the breakers snap off less, especially for the garage, yeah, I'd get one of these during the planning stage. For putting in a replacement wall switch, nah, I wouldn't bother buying one of these. For building my own PCs (to keep this discussion on-topic here), I definitely wouldn't need this tool. It's a good tool. It employs the same technique that I use with a needle nose pliers to tear away the insulation (not cut through it). I have an old auto-stripper but it does cut into the insulation so I have to be careful in which recess the wire is placed (I start oversized and reduce if needed). At first, I thought it was a neat gadget. Now it just sits and is rarely used in my electrical toolbox. |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Paul wrote:
John Doe wrote: VanguardLH wrote: http://www.irwin.com/tools/pliers-ad...wrenches/self- adjusting-wire-stripper https://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-VISE-GR...ting-Stripper- 2078300/dp/B000OQ21CA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1492117062&sr=8-3 &keywords=Self-Adjusting+Wire+Stripper Tried it on some regular power cord wire. Wonderful. I so wish I had this decades ago. Then again, it wasn't available decades ago. Not that I do that much, but it would have been so much nicer. Wire stripping has always been a hassle. I do not like losing a strand or two of stranded wire. Apparently this tool does not damage the wire. Automatic wire strippers have existed for a long time. We had a pair at work. Only problem with them was: 1) Price. They charged "industrial" prices for them. 2) Probably didn't work quite as well as the one you got. They look like a good idea, which is why I've had a set for almost 40 years, getting it for Christmas one year. But they don't work out the same way. You get used to using cutters to strip off insulation, getting the depth right, and it's relatively easy. You do have to fuss with automatic wire strippers, to get the wire into the right hole (though some use some other method like a plastic razor blad or something so you don't have to fit the wire into the hole). But the biggest issue is they don't work where they might best be used. If you have a short piece of wire, it's hard to hold the wire and then the cutters to get the insulation off. But if the wire is too short, the tool hasn't got enough space to hold the wire, either. I thought they'd be great if you needed to strip a piece of wire already soldered into a circuit, where again you may not get a tight grip on the wire, and the soldered joint isn't strong enough to hold as you strip. But the auto wire strippers are big, and use up a lot of space in operation, and that limits their use in tight chassis. So after a period of using them, I exiled them to the back of the tool drawer, a neat idea that doesn't work out so well in everyday use. I suppose if I was stripping a lot of wire of the same length, they might be useful. Michael I played with ours at work, but felt no attraction to them. They were a novelty item in the tool chest. I did most of my work with this style. http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...Stripper-Wire/ Everyone has probably seen this kind, and these suck. It takes a good deal of practice to keep the wire nicking to a minimum. I used these for some number of years as a hobbyist, before I got my first T-5 style stripper. The non-automated ones still take practice, but the ones in the following picture make the practice brutal. I expect a lot of people, this is all they had on sale at the hardware store. http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/ma...9937p.html#srp And there are all sorts of insulation types, each with their own foibles. Not every wire stripping job is easy. Paul |
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John Doe wrote:
I would be surprised if the poster can provide modern citations with experienced electricians downplaying the value/usefulness of Irwin's auto stripper in their work. If that were true, there would be YouTube videos showing the comparison. The poster should make a comparison video and show us how he avoids cutting up the wire while it is efficiently stripped. Or at least point to one? Anything on YouTube (or elsewhere on the Internet) to support his opinion? Anything at all? On USENET, I have seen some alleged dentists saying there is no benefit to electric toothbrushes. When in fact every scientific study shows there is a great benefit to using an electric toothbrush versus a manual toothbrush. Sorry but YouTube is not the end-all to education on how to be an electrician. Gee, all I would need is to watch YouTube videos to become a master electrician, uh huh. Grow up. The Internet is not the end-all to all education. As I mentioned, I've watched REAL electricians (humans, not videos) doing their jobs for decades. I've yet, in all that time, seen one take out a pair of auto-strippers when they are ON THE JOB and using the tools they toted with them. Auto-strippers are something they use back at their static workplace. At a workbench with lots of toolboxes or cabinets or pegboards, you can have loads of tools. Talk is cheap. Everybody has an opinion. And some people just love to troll. Don't be so hard on yourself. As a warning to others, yep, YOU are the troll. Again you attempt to flame an unrelated newsgroup by copying this thread to there (this time free.spamf). Okay, you act like a troll so you'll get treated like one. Tis what YOU want. Bye. |
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Exactly. All troll and no substance...
-- VanguardLH V nguard.LH wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.unit0.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: VanguardLH V nguard.LH Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Subject: Automatic wire strippers! Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:42:01 -0500 Organization: Usenet Elder Lines: 35 Sender: VanguardLH Message-ID: eldtlpFuct9U1 mid.individual.net References: ocmcis$1b8$1 dont-email.me el856hFr2bkU1 mid.individual.net ocooou$2u4$1 dont-email.me ocp0km$uo7$1 dont-email.me ocpblc$dv3$1 dont-email.me elc379FjptgU1 mid.individual.net ocr1em$4au$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 43Op3DJbSBNdnL1D4K5eNwo//XbKyktQYpdIw5iL7iHqVWdzKT Keywords: VanguardLH VLH811 Cancel-Lock: sha1:KO5ZKdi488U1iyde3/0lfAxUIbc= User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.41 Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:35971 John Doe always.look message.header wrote: I would be surprised if the poster can provide modern citations with experienced electricians downplaying the value/usefulness of Irwin's auto stripper in their work. If that were true, there would be YouTube videos showing the comparison. The poster should make a comparison video and show us how he avoids cutting up the wire while it is efficiently stripped. Or at least point to one? Anything on YouTube (or elsewhere on the Internet) to support his opinion? Anything at all? On USENET, I have seen some alleged dentists saying there is no benefit to electric toothbrushes. When in fact every scientific study shows there is a great benefit to using an electric toothbrush versus a manual toothbrush. Sorry but YouTube is not the end-all to education on how to be an electrician. Gee, all I would need is to watch YouTube videos to become a master electrician, uh huh. Grow up. The Internet is not the end-all to all education. As I mentioned, I've watched REAL electricians (humans, not videos) doing their jobs for decades. I've yet, in all that time, seen one take out a pair of auto-strippers when they are ON THE JOB and using the tools they toted with them. Auto-strippers are something they use back at their static workplace. At a workbench with lots of toolboxes or cabinets or pegboards, you can have loads of tools. Talk is cheap. Everybody has an opinion. And some people just love to troll. Don't be so hard on yourself. As a warning to others, yep, YOU are the troll. Again you attempt to flame an unrelated newsgroup by copying this thread to there (this time free.spamf). Okay, you act like a troll so you'll get treated like one. Tis what YOU want. Bye. |
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