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Old January 24th 06, 01:28 AM posted to creative.products.sound_blaster.live
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Default separate line in jack ?


"mc" wrote in message
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"T Shadow" wrote in message
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AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB
Live
and Audig2 do for sure.


Sound Blaster Live 24 does not; nor (probably) does Audigy. They started
doubling up Line In with Mic when they needed more jacks for surround
sound
speakers.


Page 15-16

http://ccftp.creative.com/manualdn/M...97/English.pdf


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Old January 24th 06, 02:28 AM posted to creative.products.sound_blaster.live
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Default separate line in jack ?

"T Shadow" wrote in message
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"mc" wrote in message
news
"T Shadow" wrote in message
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AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB
Live
and Audig2 do for sure.


Sound Blaster Live 24 does not; nor (probably) does Audigy. They

started
doubling up Line In with Mic when they needed more jacks for surround

sound
speakers.


Page 15-16

http://ccftp.creative.com/manualdn/M...97/English.pdf

BTW the Audigy2 has a separate PCI slot cover for the game port. I'm not
just guessing, I'm looking at the back of the computer now. The SB Live also
has a separate cover. It's good to know about Creative doing that on some
models though.


  #13  
Old January 24th 06, 03:49 AM posted to creative.products.sound_blaster.live
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Default separate line in jack ?

T Shadow wrote:
"mc" wrote in message
.. .

One last thought. You can have 2 soundcards in the same computer and


select

between them in software.

I know that Asus sound-on-the-motherbard and Sound Blaster Live 24 are
compatible.


"louise" wrote in message
...

mc wrote:

Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to do?
I can probably help you figure it out.



Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the long
description below.

Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots of memory


and

processor power.

I have a handheld microphone which goes into an M Audio preamp (called
Audio Buddy). This plugs into the "line in" jack.

I would like to be able to also plug a headset/microphone directly into
the soundcard or with a USB sound pod.

The reason I want both is that I would like to be able to dictate from
either the handheld through the line in, OR the headset microphone.

I use Dragon Naturally Speaking speech recognition software. You have to
create a new user (profile) for each dictation source used because you
have to "train" the program to recognize your speech.

The program will not recognize another input source other than the line


in

so that it will not allow me to create a second user with a different
input source.

The surround mixer does change the record input from the line mix to
microphone but it still doesn't seem to have any effect upon the


program's

ability to recognize another input source.

I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and the same
thing happened. This did work in the Windows recorder but it did not


work

in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.

It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue because the


preamp

isn't "supported" and the speech recognition people know nothing about


it

and simply say it is not supported. Creative doesn't really know a lot
about Dragon NaturallySpeaking and perhaps not very much about the Audio
Buddy either.

There is some weird interaction between the Dragon software and the
Creative software -- at least that's my latest theory. Even when I use
the USB sound pod, the creative software is still loaded.

Another piece of information if this would shed any light: whenever I
start Dragon NaturallySpeaking, it automatically puts an X on the


line-in.

In other words, when you start the program, it sets itself up for
microphone plugged into mic in jack. When I checked with their tech
support, this is how the software is supposed to operate. So, whenever


I

do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go into the
surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so that my present set


up

can work.

The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable, so I know


that

those two pieces of hardware are fine. I have also done a repair


install

of the Dragon software and it made no difference; I don't think the
program installation is corrupted.

Everyone I speak to who knows the Dragon software at all has a "hunch"
that it has something to do with the fact that the sound card has a mix
for the input and that it confuses the Dragon software setup.. But no


one

is sure.

The other issue about "what u hear" is that I do a fair amount of
recording of music off the net - therefore, I want that capability as
well - but I gather most soundcards actually have that.

I hope this is at least a little clear and if you have any suggestions,


I

certainly would appreciate it.

Thanks again.

Louise


AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB Live
and Audig2 do for sure. The problem seems to be Dragon only wanting to use
the Mic port.
Go into the Windows(not Creative) Sound Control Panel and see if you can
select the mixer device you want to use, before running Dragon. I've not
used a USB sound device but hopefully there will be 2. Does the pod show
having a Mic port?
I've read the post 6 time and I'm still not sure I understand exactly what's
going on but I'll give some info that may help you experiment. Wave and MIDI
are digital sound on the computers bus. All of the others are physical ports
to the sound card. Analog mix are hardware ports and What You Hear is Analog
Mix + Wave.
It might help understanding if you could post a link for the pods website.


Here's the link for the usb sound pod

http://www.emicrophones.com/micropho...asp?prodID=003

The Creative control panel doesn't see the pod at all. But
Windows control panel/sound can see the pod and the wndows
recorder can accept dictation from the pod.

Louise
  #14  
Old January 24th 06, 08:29 AM posted to creative.products.sound_blaster.live
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Default separate line in jack ?

"louise" wrote in message
...
T Shadow wrote:
"mc" wrote in message
.. .

One last thought. You can have 2 soundcards in the same computer and


select

between them in software.

I know that Asus sound-on-the-motherbard and Sound Blaster Live 24 are
compatible.


"louise" wrote in message
...

mc wrote:

Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to

do?
I can probably help you figure it out.



Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the long
description below.

Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots of memory


and

processor power.

I have a handheld microphone which goes into an M Audio preamp (called
Audio Buddy). This plugs into the "line in" jack.

I would like to be able to also plug a headset/microphone directly into
the soundcard or with a USB sound pod.

The reason I want both is that I would like to be able to dictate from
either the handheld through the line in, OR the headset microphone.

I use Dragon Naturally Speaking speech recognition software. You have

to
create a new user (profile) for each dictation source used because you
have to "train" the program to recognize your speech.

The program will not recognize another input source other than the line


in

so that it will not allow me to create a second user with a different
input source.

The surround mixer does change the record input from the line mix to
microphone but it still doesn't seem to have any effect upon the


program's

ability to recognize another input source.

I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and the same
thing happened. This did work in the Windows recorder but it did not


work

in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.

It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue because the


preamp

isn't "supported" and the speech recognition people know nothing about


it

and simply say it is not supported. Creative doesn't really know a lot
about Dragon NaturallySpeaking and perhaps not very much about the

Audio
Buddy either.

There is some weird interaction between the Dragon software and the
Creative software -- at least that's my latest theory. Even when I use
the USB sound pod, the creative software is still loaded.

Another piece of information if this would shed any light: whenever I
start Dragon NaturallySpeaking, it automatically puts an X on the


line-in.

In other words, when you start the program, it sets itself up for
microphone plugged into mic in jack. When I checked with their tech
support, this is how the software is supposed to operate. So, whenever


I

do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go into the
surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so that my present set


up

can work.

The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable, so I know


that

those two pieces of hardware are fine. I have also done a repair


install

of the Dragon software and it made no difference; I don't think the
program installation is corrupted.

Everyone I speak to who knows the Dragon software at all has a "hunch"
that it has something to do with the fact that the sound card has a mix
for the input and that it confuses the Dragon software setup.. But no


one

is sure.

The other issue about "what u hear" is that I do a fair amount of
recording of music off the net - therefore, I want that capability as
well - but I gather most soundcards actually have that.

I hope this is at least a little clear and if you have any suggestions,


I

certainly would appreciate it.

Thanks again.

Louise


AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB

Live
and Audig2 do for sure. The problem seems to be Dragon only wanting to

use
the Mic port.
Go into the Windows(not Creative) Sound Control Panel and see if you can
select the mixer device you want to use, before running Dragon. I've not
used a USB sound device but hopefully there will be 2. Does the pod show
having a Mic port?
I've read the post 6 time and I'm still not sure I understand exactly

what's
going on but I'll give some info that may help you experiment. Wave and

MIDI
are digital sound on the computers bus. All of the others are physical

ports
to the sound card. Analog mix are hardware ports and What You Hear is

Analog
Mix + Wave.
It might help understanding if you could post a link for the pods

website.


Here's the link for the usb sound pod

http://www.emicrophones.com/micropho...asp?prodID=003

The Creative control panel doesn't see the pod at all. But
Windows control panel/sound can see the pod and the wndows
recorder can accept dictation from the pod.

Louise


From:
http://www.emicrophones.com/docdetai...?documentid=25

"When NatSpeaking loads, it scans available sound devices, finds the default
you have stipulated for preferred devices, and sets up for 16-bit speech
recognition PCM (Pulse-Coded Modulation) recording format"

Looks like you need to set the pod to default in Windows "Sounds and Audio
Devices Properties" Control Panel before running Dragon. I'd set it in the
audio and Voice pages then click "use Only Default Devices" on the Audio
page.
Since your putting Dragon on a second computer can I assume you like it and
find it useful?


  #15  
Old January 24th 06, 09:55 PM posted to creative.products.sound_blaster.live
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Default separate line in jack ?

T Shadow wrote:
"louise" wrote in message
...

T Shadow wrote:

"mc" wrote in message
t...


One last thought. You can have 2 soundcards in the same computer and

select


between them in software.

I know that Asus sound-on-the-motherbard and Sound Blaster Live 24 are
compatible.


"louise" wrote in message
...


mc wrote:


Can you tell me a little more precisely what it is that you need to


do?

I can probably help you figure it out.



Thanks a lot - and thanks for your patience in reading the long
description below.

Audigy 2ZS card and Win XP Pro - Asus motherboard, P4, lots of memory

and


processor power.

I have a handheld microphone which goes into an M Audio preamp (called
Audio Buddy). This plugs into the "line in" jack.

I would like to be able to also plug a headset/microphone directly into
the soundcard or with a USB sound pod.

The reason I want both is that I would like to be able to dictate from
either the handheld through the line in, OR the headset microphone.

I use Dragon Naturally Speaking speech recognition software. You have


to

create a new user (profile) for each dictation source used because you
have to "train" the program to recognize your speech.

The program will not recognize another input source other than the line

in


so that it will not allow me to create a second user with a different
input source.

The surround mixer does change the record input from the line mix to
microphone but it still doesn't seem to have any effect upon the

program's


ability to recognize another input source.

I tried using a USB sound pod for my second input source and the same
thing happened. This did work in the Windows recorder but it did not

work


in Dragon NaturallySpeaking.

It is very hard to get good tech support on this issue because the

preamp


isn't "supported" and the speech recognition people know nothing about

it


and simply say it is not supported. Creative doesn't really know a lot
about Dragon NaturallySpeaking and perhaps not very much about the


Audio

Buddy either.

There is some weird interaction between the Dragon software and the
Creative software -- at least that's my latest theory. Even when I use
the USB sound pod, the creative software is still loaded.

Another piece of information if this would shed any light: whenever I
start Dragon NaturallySpeaking, it automatically puts an X on the

line-in.


In other words, when you start the program, it sets itself up for
microphone plugged into mic in jack. When I checked with their tech
support, this is how the software is supposed to operate. So, whenever

I


do load the speech recognition software, I also have to go into the
surround mixer and take the x out of the line in so that my present set

up


can work.

The headset and the USB pod work perfectly on my portable, so I know

that


those two pieces of hardware are fine. I have also done a repair

install


of the Dragon software and it made no difference; I don't think the
program installation is corrupted.

Everyone I speak to who knows the Dragon software at all has a "hunch"
that it has something to do with the fact that the sound card has a mix
for the input and that it confuses the Dragon software setup.. But no

one


is sure.

The other issue about "what u hear" is that I do a fair amount of
recording of music off the net - therefore, I want that capability as
well - but I gather most soundcards actually have that.

I hope this is at least a little clear and if you have any suggestions,

I


certainly would appreciate it.

Thanks again.

Louise


AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB


Live

and Audig2 do for sure. The problem seems to be Dragon only wanting to


use

the Mic port.
Go into the Windows(not Creative) Sound Control Panel and see if you can
select the mixer device you want to use, before running Dragon. I've not
used a USB sound device but hopefully there will be 2. Does the pod show
having a Mic port?
I've read the post 6 time and I'm still not sure I understand exactly


what's

going on but I'll give some info that may help you experiment. Wave and


MIDI

are digital sound on the computers bus. All of the others are physical


ports

to the sound card. Analog mix are hardware ports and What You Hear is


Analog

Mix + Wave.
It might help understanding if you could post a link for the pods


website.


Here's the link for the usb sound pod

http://www.emicrophones.com/micropho...asp?prodID=003

The Creative control panel doesn't see the pod at all. But
Windows control panel/sound can see the pod and the wndows
recorder can accept dictation from the pod.

Louise



From:
http://www.emicrophones.com/docdetai...?documentid=25

"When NatSpeaking loads, it scans available sound devices, finds the default
you have stipulated for preferred devices, and sets up for 16-bit speech
recognition PCM (Pulse-Coded Modulation) recording format"

Looks like you need to set the pod to default in Windows "Sounds and Audio
Devices Properties" Control Panel before running Dragon. I'd set it in the
audio and Voice pages then click "use Only Default Devices" on the Audio
page.
Since your putting Dragon on a second computer can I assume you like it and
find it useful?


thanks for that suggestion. I did make it the default, but
I did not check "use only default devices". I'll try again :-)

Yes, I do find Dragon very useful. Although I type very
very quickly, I also need to create many pages a day and
after a while, I get RSI. One does have to do some work to
train it for your speech patterns and it does make
ridiculous mistakes from time to time -- usually when you
haven't enunciated well enough.

If you're going to try it, I have one strong recommendation:
do not use the included headset because it really isn't good
enough and you lose a lot of accuracy that you could have if
you got a more expensive headset or, a freestanding handheld
microphone on a boom.

I purchased the "Preferred" version; this is plenty good
enough unless you really don't have use of your hands or do
so much dictating that the creation of individual macros
would be critical for you.

Most people do not need the Audio Buddy that I use -- in
fact, I am very much the exception and there's no need to
figure that you would have to do that. It is because I have
a somewhat hoarse and soft voice that I need the extra
amplification.

Thanks again and if you to get Dragon, check out
Knowbrainer.com for a wonderful bulletin board filled with
information about how to use the program and how to maximize it.

Louise

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Old January 31st 06, 10:52 PM posted to creative.products.sound_blaster.live
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The Audigy 1, Audigy 2, Audigy 2 ZS and Audigy 4 Pro have separate
Microphone and Line In Jacks. The newer Audigy 4 ( non-Pro) and the Audigy 2
Value do not. The Live! 24 bit and the X-Fi don't either.


"louise" wrote in message
...
is there any creative card that would give me the option to record that
also has a separate line in jack ?

In other words, I want the "what u hear" capability -- the option to
record what you're listening to, as well as a separate jack for the line
in.

If not, is there a comparable sound cardfrom another vendor that would
provide both of these options?

I need a good line in because I use speech recognition software with an
MAudio preamp which feeds into the line in jack.

TIA

Louise



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Old February 1st 06, 11:07 PM posted to creative.products.sound_blaster.live
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Default separate line in jack ?


"mc" wrote in message
news
"T Shadow" wrote in message
...

AFAIK every card I've owned have separate Mic and Line-In jacks. My SB
Live
and Audig2 do for sure.


Sound Blaster Live 24 does not; nor (probably) does Audigy. They started
doubling up Line In with Mic when they needed more jacks for surround
sound speakers.


My Sound Blaster Live Digital has both line in and mic jacks. I checked on
Audigy and it seems to have both also.


The problem seems to be Dragon only wanting to use
the Mic port.
Go into the Windows(not Creative) Sound Control Panel and see if you can
select the mixer device you want to use, before running Dragon. I've not
used a USB sound device but hopefully there will be 2. Does the pod show
having a Mic port?
I've read the post 6 time and I'm still not sure I understand exactly
what's
going on but I'll give some info that may help you experiment. Wave and
MIDI
are digital sound on the computers bus. All of the others are physical
ports
to the sound card. Analog mix are hardware ports and What You Hear is
Analog
Mix + Wave.
It might help understanding if you could post a link for the pods
website.






 




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