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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:49:34 GMT, "Tim" wrote:
With regard to XP I don't know if the following would work. When you boot up for the day, log into the user who has the schedules. Thus the computer is geared to record. Then go back to the login screen. Now any user can log into their own account, whilst the TV account runs in the background. Yea that'd work. But keep in mind, most programs which require access to the computer hardware don't like to be opened more than once. The second user logged in could suffer error messages saying this program is already running.... but is simple to press OK and go about your business. Also, if it's not a very fast computer, having more than one person logged on at a time will degrade overall system performance. I agree. That is the problem of trying to create an all purpose multimedia device. Maybe if MMC is disabled in all the other accounts except the TV one that would avoid conflict. This assumes that people are not wanting to watch it on the computer of course. Far from ideal. Maybe there is a registry hack which will allow pointing to the same schedule whatever user. after all you can have "shared documents" folder ect. ATI ought to think about that if and when they ditch gemstar. Andre |
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Thanks for your attention. We're using WinXP Pro on a Domain network. It
create's a profile for each user. There is also an "All Users" profile and a "Default" profile. But when nobody is logged on, the Default profile info is used. "Tim" wrote in message .. . You fail to mention what operating system you are using.... Since you mention the "default" user, as in no user logged in, I assum it's not Windows NT/2000/XP/2003.... If I am not mistaken, whenever a new user is created by just typing in a username and password, and storing the password on the system, the default registry settings are taken FROM the default user. So, try and setup the Default user's settings first, then try logging in with a new user name. "wdsnews" wrote in message ... Every time a new user logs on to our shared family computer, I have to set up MMC 8.5 for the All-in-Wonder 9000 all over again. If that was all there were to it, then ok. I could live with that. But I want to share the TV recording schedule with all users, which of course includes the "default" user when no one is logged on. As it is now, virtually all of our painfully setup TV schedules get missed because the user, where a schedule got set up, is not logged on when the show comes on. The other big problem is with the vcr files. They're huge, and there's no reason to keep extra copies. Thanks for your advice. |
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Why are you referring to the default user? You cannot bypass login on Windows
XP.... even if you have your PC setup to automatically log you on (which is a default thing in Windows XP when it's installed)... you're still being logged on. You can go in using Registery Editor and edit the registry settings for the HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT. Setup how you want everything in one profile, export the HKEY_CURRENT_USER tree to a REG file. Open it up in notepad and replace every instance of "HKEY_CURRENT_USER" with "HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT". Save it, then double-click on it and add it to the registery. EVERY registery setting will be exported into that registry location. The .DEFAULT under the HKEY_USERS is probably for backward compatibility with older programs that saved their settings there. But, Windows XP is NT-Based, and because of that, security of the system requires that a user logs in. You CANNOT bypass logging in. You may wish to read the other posts on this thread... "wdsnews" wrote in message ... Thanks for your attention. We're using WinXP Pro on a Domain network. It create's a profile for each user. There is also an "All Users" profile and a "Default" profile. But when nobody is logged on, the Default profile info is used. "Tim" wrote in message .. . You fail to mention what operating system you are using.... Since you mention the "default" user, as in no user logged in, I assum it's not Windows NT/2000/XP/2003.... If I am not mistaken, whenever a new user is created by just typing in a username and password, and storing the password on the system, the default registry settings are taken FROM the default user. So, try and setup the Default user's settings first, then try logging in with a new user name. "wdsnews" wrote in message ... Every time a new user logs on to our shared family computer, I have to set up MMC 8.5 for the All-in-Wonder 9000 all over again. If that was all there were to it, then ok. I could live with that. But I want to share the TV recording schedule with all users, which of course includes the "default" user when no one is logged on. As it is now, virtually all of our painfully setup TV schedules get missed because the user, where a schedule got set up, is not logged on when the show comes on. The other big problem is with the vcr files. They're huge, and there's no reason to keep extra copies. Thanks for your advice. |
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Thanks for your attention.
I tried setting the schedule in the Admin's login, but it didn't work. All other profiles have their own schedule. What I need is a way to share the ATI settings in one profile with all the others. "Vance McNeil" Vance @diogenese.ca wrote in message . .. Sounds like it might be XP. It seems more applications are sensitive to XP's multiple user scheme allowing every app to be customised per each user's preferences (this is likely the first step to requiring licenses for each user Try setting the schedule from Admin's login. "Tim" wrote in message .. . You fail to mention what operating system you are using.... Since you mention the "default" user, as in no user logged in, I assum it's not Windows NT/2000/XP/2003.... If I am not mistaken, whenever a new user is created by just typing in a username and password, and storing the password on the system, the default registry settings are taken FROM the default user. So, try and setup the Default user's settings first, then try logging in with a new user name. "wdsnews" wrote in message ... Every time a new user logs on to our shared family computer, I have to set up MMC 8.5 for the All-in-Wonder 9000 all over again. If that was all there were to it, then ok. I could live with that. But I want to share the TV recording schedule with all users, which of course includes the "default" user when no one is logged on. As it is now, virtually all of our painfully setup TV schedules get missed because the user, where a schedule got set up, is not logged on when the show comes on. The other big problem is with the vcr files. They're huge, and there's no reason to keep extra copies. Thanks for your advice. |
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That is a good suggestion, but it didn't work. The moment someone logs on,
a new profile and a new set of settings are adopted. "Andre C" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:09:02 GMT, "Tim" wrote: You cannot bypass the login process. There is no "Cancel" button like there is on Windows 95/98/Me to skip logging onto the system. This is the reason XP is more secure. You can by pass the login screen but only if you are the only account set up. There is registry tweak though I think tweakui also offers this. With regard to XP I don't know if the following would work. When you boot up for the day, log into the user who has the scehdules. Thus the computer is geared to record. Then go back to the login screen. Now any user can log into their own account, whilst the TV account runs in the background. Andre |
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Why are you referring to the default user? ... Windows XP is NT-Based,
and because of that, security of the system requires that a user logs in. I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. "Tim" wrote in message .. . Why are you referring to the default user? You cannot bypass login on Windows XP.... even if you have your PC setup to automatically log you on (which is a default thing in Windows XP when it's installed)... you're still being logged on. You can go in using Registery Editor and edit the registry settings for the HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT. Setup how you want everything in one profile, export the HKEY_CURRENT_USER tree to a REG file. Open it up in notepad and replace every instance of "HKEY_CURRENT_USER" with "HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT". Save it, then double-click on it and add it to the registery. EVERY registery setting will be exported into that registry location. The .DEFAULT under the HKEY_USERS is probably for backward compatibility with older programs that saved their settings there. But, Windows XP is NT-Based, and because of that, security of the system requires that a user logs in. You CANNOT bypass logging in. You may wish to read the other posts on this thread... "wdsnews" wrote in message ... Thanks for your attention. We're using WinXP Pro on a Domain network. It create's a profile for each user. There is also an "All Users" profile and a "Default" profile. But when nobody is logged on, the Default profile info is used. "Tim" wrote in message .. . You fail to mention what operating system you are using.... Since you mention the "default" user, as in no user logged in, I assum it's not Windows NT/2000/XP/2003.... If I am not mistaken, whenever a new user is created by just typing in a username and password, and storing the password on the system, the default registry settings are taken FROM the default user. So, try and setup the Default user's settings first, then try logging in with a new user name. "wdsnews" wrote in message ... Every time a new user logs on to our shared family computer, I have to set up MMC 8.5 for the All-in-Wonder 9000 all over again. If that was all there were to it, then ok. I could live with that. But I want to share the TV recording schedule with all users, which of course includes the "default" user when no one is logged on. As it is now, virtually all of our painfully setup TV schedules get missed because the user, where a schedule got set up, is not logged on when the show comes on. The other big problem is with the vcr files. They're huge, and there's no reason to keep extra copies. Thanks for your advice. |
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Thanks Tim. I very much appreciate the help here. Thankfully, the weeked
arrived, and I am able to get back to this group. I hope my other posts filled in the missing info. "Tim" wrote in message .. . I believe you need to do us the courtesy of responding with additional information (please check the other posts). This is something that is really not liked... someone posts a request for help without providing enough information, and never responds with that required information. Usually ends to blocking that person from people's systems and you won't receive help from those people.... "wdsnews" wrote in message ... Every time a new user logs on to our shared family computer, I have to set up MMC 8.5 for the All-in-Wonder 9000 all over again. If that was all there were to it, then ok. I could live with that. But I want to share the TV recording schedule with all users, which of course includes the "default" user when no one is logged on. As it is now, virtually all of our painfully setup TV schedules get missed because the user, where a schedule got set up, is not logged on when the show comes on. The other big problem is with the vcr files. They're huge, and there's no reason to keep extra copies. Thanks for your advice. |
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I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off"
without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... |
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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:04:15 -0700
"wdsnews" wrote: Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... No. You're wrong. You can turn on a PC and let it sit. Yes, you can. The logon dialogue will continue to stay on the screen until you logon, or the screen saver or the stand-by mode takes effect. If you choose not to logon, then nobody is logged on and the default profile is in effect. Nope. Nobody is logged on and _no_ profile is in effect. Frankly, it does nobody any good for you to make accusations, assumptions, and bad suggestions while ignoring the original issue. You've been wrong from your very first message, and you're still wrong. You're attitude is insulting and completely unacceptable. If you were even a little bit correct in your assumptions or your replies then your arrogance could be understood. But you're so amazingly off-base, that you make a fool of yourself. I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. In other words, quit wasting my time. Lemme guess--you got an MCSE by taking a cram course? "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:20:26 -0700
"wdsnews" wrote: Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. You're wrong about that too. Any program set to auto-start in the default profile will run when nobody is logged on. Your anti-virus program and any program you want runs that way. Nope. This is one of the most common questions asked about NT/2K/XP--"how do I run a program with no user logged on", and the answer is that you either run it through the scheduler or use the "run as service" utility included with the Resource Kit. The default profile is the one that is used to set up new users--when a new user is created he will have a copy of the default profile until his profile is altered. The default profile is not active when there is no user logged on. Read some of these: http://www.google.com/search?q=copy+...8&start=0&sa=N Yea, a lot about user profiles but I don't see anything there that supports your argument. If there's a particular page you have in mind perhaps you could provide a link? You know, if you were simply wrong I could accept it. If you simply ignored my original question, I could accept it. If you were simply arrogant, I could ignore it. But you're all those things and... ...you belittle me, attack my character, and chastise me. Frankly, arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. It causes people to send messages like yours. You are correct that arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. So is pot kettle black. "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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