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tinted B&W
I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W
prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? -- Paul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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Paul Heslop wrote:
I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? Far from being an expert, MY OPINION, inkjet printers do not do b&w well. I get the same results you are talking about (Pixma 6000D) Very happy with color from this printer. I have never owned a laser jet, but I think those do b&w better???? I take my b&w shots to Walmart. |
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Wolfgang Schmittenhammer wrote:
Paul Heslop wrote: I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? Far from being an expert, MY OPINION, inkjet printers do not do b&w well. I get the same results you are talking about (Pixma 6000D) Very happy with color from this printer. I have never owned a laser jet, but I think those do b&w better???? I take my b&w shots to Walmart. I'd say i've had mixed results, even with this printer, but depending on many things. previously have printed B&W with varying degrees of success on other canon and epson printers and different inks. It would be nice if i could afford OEM then I could blame the printer or paper :O) -- Paul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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Paul Heslop wrote:
Wolfgang Schmittenhammer wrote: Paul Heslop wrote: I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? Far from being an expert, MY OPINION, inkjet printers do not do b&w well. I get the same results you are talking about (Pixma 6000D) Very happy with color from this printer. I have never owned a laser jet, but I think those do b&w better???? I take my b&w shots to Walmart. I'd say i've had mixed results, even with this printer, but depending on many things. previously have printed B&W with varying degrees of success on other canon and epson printers and different inks. It would be nice if i could afford OEM then I could blame the printer or paper :O) Found this page: http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/d...r_profile_test Talks about scanning your print fro your printer, and then adjusting, making custom curve from the scan and reprinting.. I am going to try it myself..... |
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tinted B&W
How you go about correcting this depends somewhat on the result you are
currently getting. If the whole print is showing fairly even tint (meaning the same basic hue is appearing in all ink densities) then it is easier to fix. If the toning changes depending upon how dense the color is, that is a problem that can't be corrected universally, and will require some pretty complex corrections in curves. To create (as close to) a perfect greyscale image from colored inks, assuming the inks are properly balanced for color to begin with, equal amount of the "primary" printing colors are needed. In other words, equal quantities of Cyan, Magenta and yellow should produce something approaching grey/blacks. With most inkjet printers trying to accomplish this isn't easy, because they complexity of the drivers, especially when mixed dye load inks are used (such as light magenta and cyan inks) are used in different concentrations depending upon the density of the color area in the image. As you probably noticed, inkjet printers which use light dye load Cyan and Magenta don't have a light dye load yellow. The logic behind this is that the yellow is such a light color that diluting it further is unnecessary, but none the less, excess yellow can lead to yellow or golden tinting. The best way to produce a greyscale image is by using an inkjet printer which is equipped with black ink and several levels of grey inks, and special drivers that understand how to translate greyscale. The second best is black plus at least one grey ink. With some printers, even using just the black ink, especially if the dots are quite small, can provide a reasonable greyscale image, without tinting. Some printer drivers allow for that option (something like "use black ink only"). I know most Epson printers allow for this, and although the tonality isn't perfect, even just using black ink can produce an acceptable greyscale image. Getting back to your sepia/brown tones; they are usually missing cyan and some magenta. Without seeing the exact sepia tone, however, it could need fine adjusting. Below I am supplying a simplified chart of print color and corrective color required. If print is "biased" toward ------ add this to correct toward neutral red Cyan yellow blue (cyan and magenta) green magenta blue yellow magenta green (cyan and yellow) cyan red (magenta and yellow) Sepia usually has extra yellow and red, meaning you need more blue (made up of cyan and magenta) and cyan, so by adding nearly twice as much cyan as magenta in the driver should help to correct it, but it is often no "walk in the park" to match. Art Paul Heslop wrote: I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? |
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Wolfgang Schmittenhammer wrote:
Paul Heslop wrote: Wolfgang Schmittenhammer wrote: Paul Heslop wrote: I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? Far from being an expert, MY OPINION, inkjet printers do not do b&w well. I get the same results you are talking about (Pixma 6000D) Very happy with color from this printer. I have never owned a laser jet, but I think those do b&w better???? I take my b&w shots to Walmart. I'd say i've had mixed results, even with this printer, but depending on many things. previously have printed B&W with varying degrees of success on other canon and epson printers and different inks. It would be nice if i could afford OEM then I could blame the printer or paper :O) Found this page: http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/d...r_profile_test Talks about scanning your print fro your printer, and then adjusting, making custom curve from the scan and reprinting.. I am going to try it myself..... hm, with me it's mainly digital stuff but the pic I am msot concerned about was a scan of a print out of a digital image (argh!) which someone had taken at a wedding, printed out , not very well, then deleted the image. request was made for me to tidy the image up but there's only so far I can go with obvious print lines etc in the image. I decided to pull the colour out and see if it looked okay in B&W which is when it printed yucky. -- Paul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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Arthur Entlich wrote:
How you go about correcting this depends somewhat on the result you are currently getting. If the whole print is showing fairly even tint (meaning the same basic hue is appearing in all ink densities) then it is easier to fix. If the toning changes depending upon how dense the color is, that is a problem that can't be corrected universally, and will require some pretty complex corrections in curves. To create (as close to) a perfect greyscale image from colored inks, assuming the inks are properly balanced for color to begin with, equal amount of the "primary" printing colors are needed. In other words, equal quantities of Cyan, Magenta and yellow should produce something approaching grey/blacks. With most inkjet printers trying to accomplish this isn't easy, because they complexity of the drivers, especially when mixed dye load inks are used (such as light magenta and cyan inks) are used in different concentrations depending upon the density of the color area in the image. As you probably noticed, inkjet printers which use light dye load Cyan and Magenta don't have a light dye load yellow. The logic behind this is that the yellow is such a light color that diluting it further is unnecessary, but none the less, excess yellow can lead to yellow or golden tinting. The best way to produce a greyscale image is by using an inkjet printer which is equipped with black ink and several levels of grey inks, and special drivers that understand how to translate greyscale. The second best is black plus at least one grey ink. With some printers, even using just the black ink, especially if the dots are quite small, can provide a reasonable greyscale image, without tinting. Some printer drivers allow for that option (something like "use black ink only"). I know most Epson printers allow for this, and although the tonality isn't perfect, even just using black ink can produce an acceptable greyscale image. Getting back to your sepia/brown tones; they are usually missing cyan and some magenta. Without seeing the exact sepia tone, however, it could need fine adjusting. Below I am supplying a simplified chart of print color and corrective color required. If print is "biased" toward ------ add this to correct toward neutral red Cyan yellow blue (cyan and magenta) green magenta blue yellow magenta green (cyan and yellow) cyan red (magenta and yellow) Sepia usually has extra yellow and red, meaning you need more blue (made up of cyan and magenta) and cyan, so by adding nearly twice as much cyan as magenta in the driver should help to correct it, but it is often no "walk in the park" to match. Art Thanks for a very detailed reply Art. It's possibly and probably a little intense for me. This printer has two black carts and three colour. It has printed out good B&W before but they could have been Inkrite or so cartridges. My concern with attempting lots of adjustments is obviously cost effectiveness. I'll be using the paper during the process. I know it sounds penny-pinching but I am always just managing when it comes to costs. I would probably need to print quite a large area too as it seems more obvious when over at least a half A4. I will probably have a go though, and thank you for your help. -- Paul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ |
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tinted B&W
I have learned special techniques to create stunning BW prints when
using Photoshop and my Canon IP4000. And of course I use Canon ink. Wolfgang Schmittenhammer wrote: Paul Heslop wrote: I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? Far from being an expert, MY OPINION, inkjet printers do not do b&w well. I get the same results you are talking about (Pixma 6000D) Very happy with color from this printer. I have never owned a laser jet, but I think those do b&w better???? I take my b&w shots to Walmart. |
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All this may be true but I have used a simple technique using Photoshop
and Canon IP4000 to produce stunnung BW prints. And of course I use Canon ink. Arthur Entlich wrote: How you go about correcting this depends somewhat on the result you are currently getting. If the whole print is showing fairly even tint (meaning the same basic hue is appearing in all ink densities) then it is easier to fix. If the toning changes depending upon how dense the color is, that is a problem that can't be corrected universally, and will require some pretty complex corrections in curves. To create (as close to) a perfect greyscale image from colored inks, assuming the inks are properly balanced for color to begin with, equal amount of the "primary" printing colors are needed. In other words, equal quantities of Cyan, Magenta and yellow should produce something approaching grey/blacks. With most inkjet printers trying to accomplish this isn't easy, because they complexity of the drivers, especially when mixed dye load inks are used (such as light magenta and cyan inks) are used in different concentrations depending upon the density of the color area in the image. As you probably noticed, inkjet printers which use light dye load Cyan and Magenta don't have a light dye load yellow. The logic behind this is that the yellow is such a light color that diluting it further is unnecessary, but none the less, excess yellow can lead to yellow or golden tinting. The best way to produce a greyscale image is by using an inkjet printer which is equipped with black ink and several levels of grey inks, and special drivers that understand how to translate greyscale. The second best is black plus at least one grey ink. With some printers, even using just the black ink, especially if the dots are quite small, can provide a reasonable greyscale image, without tinting. Some printer drivers allow for that option (something like "use black ink only"). I know most Epson printers allow for this, and although the tonality isn't perfect, even just using black ink can produce an acceptable greyscale image. Getting back to your sepia/brown tones; they are usually missing cyan and some magenta. Without seeing the exact sepia tone, however, it could need fine adjusting. Below I am supplying a simplified chart of print color and corrective color required. If print is "biased" toward ------ add this to correct toward neutral red Cyan yellow blue (cyan and magenta) green magenta blue yellow magenta green (cyan and yellow) cyan red (magenta and yellow) Sepia usually has extra yellow and red, meaning you need more blue (made up of cyan and magenta) and cyan, so by adding nearly twice as much cyan as magenta in the driver should help to correct it, but it is often no "walk in the park" to match. Art Paul Heslop wrote: I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? |
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"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
... I am using jet tec carts on a canon IP4000. I don't do a lot of B&W prints and it may be the paper, KODAK thick heavy glossy stuff but I did a couple of B&W prints which turned out to have a slightly beige tint, making them look closer to sepia than B&W. Is there a way to combat this without Meecekite bleating on about OEM inks? -- Paul (Need a lift she said much obliged) ------------------------------------------------------- Stop and Look http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/ I'm using MIS inks in a canon i960. I get better B&W prints when using the color setting than with the grayscale setting. I don't have a clue as to why this happens. Art Entlich's post gives you lots of information on how to try to combat the tint. I would agree with him that neutral B&W prints are difficult to obtain on most inkjet printers. You might try to get some Kirkland glossy photo paper at Costco. 125 sheets for $19 - cheap enough to experiment with. You can also try different papers as the color response can differ markedly with different paper/ink combinations. Another thing to check would be the printer settings. I use the manual setting for color as some of the settings that let the printer take over the color response give you results you may not want. You can also do test prints like people have done in the darkroom by printing strips of the picture with different printer settings for comparison. |
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