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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
Hypothetical:
OEM Machine A was destroyed by lightning. It was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. Original sealed discs including key are with the machine. Machine B: is working and was sold to a second party, but no discs or media were included. According to its service tag/original configuration, it also was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. I take it that it is STILL illegal to install the copy of Office XP from Machine A onto Machine B..... ? I love licensing threads and unnecessary arguments. But I'm actually faced with the possibility of this question. Obviously, I don't want the MIB from Redmond to come here and crack my skull and throw me into jail. Opinions? My initial opinion is that by the letter of the EULA this is still illegal. Thanks, Stew |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
Yes, it's illegal (or at least a violation of the OEM EULA) to install
Machine A's copy of Office onto machine B. BUT ..... it is NOT illegal to repair machine A, which, in this case, might mean replacing .... well, everything except the sheet metal. And there is no requirement that the machine be repaired with the exact same parts (e.g. the motherboard, CPU and disk drive might all be different models, might all be, ah, "newer"). In the end, if your conscience is comfortable, what matters is what product activation and WGA will allow. And, in turn, those come down to a phone call with you on one end and a Microsoft rep on the other end. What you say, and the exact words you use, and your tone of voice, might determine the outcome. So might whether the person on the other end is having a "good" day or a "bad" day. If someone peed in her Wheaties at the wrong time of the month, you might have a hard time. OR, Microsoft might have a hard time ("screw this company, I'm activating everyone today .....") The process, you see, is totally scientific and objective, with absolutely no case-to-case variation whatsoever. Comment: There is a huge difference between describing something as an "upgrade" vs. a "repair" S.Lewis wrote: Hypothetical: OEM Machine A was destroyed by lightning. It was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. Original sealed discs including key are with the machine. Machine B: is working and was sold to a second party, but no discs or media were included. According to its service tag/original configuration, it also was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. I take it that it is STILL illegal to install the copy of Office XP from Machine A onto Machine B..... ? I love licensing threads and unnecessary arguments. But I'm actually faced with the possibility of this question. Obviously, I don't want the MIB from Redmond to come here and crack my skull and throw me into jail. Opinions? My initial opinion is that by the letter of the EULA this is still illegal. Thanks, Stew |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
You undoubtedly will go straight to Hell!
"S.Lewis" wrote in message . .. Hypothetical: OEM Machine A was destroyed by lightning. It was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. Original sealed discs including key are with the machine. Machine B: is working and was sold to a second party, but no discs or media were included. According to its service tag/original configuration, it also was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. I take it that it is STILL illegal to install the copy of Office XP from Machine A onto Machine B..... ? I love licensing threads and unnecessary arguments. But I'm actually faced with the possibility of this question. Obviously, I don't want the MIB from Redmond to come here and crack my skull and throw me into jail. Opinions? My initial opinion is that by the letter of the EULA this is still illegal. Thanks, Stew |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
Hi!
You undoubtedly will go straight to Hell! Don't you mean "Dell"? If so, he's already here! :-D (Sorry. I have a strange sense of humor. It's not meant to offend.) William |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:23:29 -0400, Barry Watzman
wrote: What you say, and the exact words you use, and your tone of voice, might determine the outcome. So might whether the person on the other end is having a "good" day or a "bad" day. If someone peed in her Wheaties at the wrong time of the month, you might have a hard time. OR, Microsoft might have a hard time ("screw this company, I'm activating everyone today .....") Oh please, I doubt that it comes down to tone of voice and whether someone is having a good or bad day. Now I may be totally out of line to say that and if so I apologize but it sounds pretty hokey to me. |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
On Aug 21, 11:55 pm, "S.Lewis" wrote:
Hypothetical: OEM Machine A was destroyed by lightning. It was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. Original sealed discs including key are with the machine. Machine B: is working and was sold to a second party, but no discs or media were included. According to its service tag/original configuration, it also was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. I take it that it is STILL illegal to install the copy of Office XP from Machine A onto Machine B..... ? I love licensing threads and unnecessary arguments. But I'm actually faced with the possibility of this question. Obviously, I don't want the MIB from Redmond to come here and crack my skull and throw me into jail. Opinions? My initial opinion is that by the letter of the EULA this is still illegal. Thanks, Stew I'm assuming that you have two Dells, both of which came with Office XP installed, and came with OEM Office XP disks to reinstall if needed. Machine A has died, but you have its Office XP disk. Machine B is working fine but doesn't have Office installed. If you were to compare bit-for-bit Machine A's OEM Office disk and the one that originally came with Machine B, you'd find they were flat out identical. Hence I really can't see the problem he you've "found" Machine B's missing Office CD, in effect...it's a little bit like the old saw of "if a tree falls in a forest when there's no-one around to hear it, does it make a sound"... Ric |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
"ric" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 21, 11:55 pm, "S.Lewis" wrote: Hypothetical: OEM Machine A was destroyed by lightning. It was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. Original sealed discs including key are with the machine. Machine B: is working and was sold to a second party, but no discs or media were included. According to its service tag/original configuration, it also was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. I take it that it is STILL illegal to install the copy of Office XP from Machine A onto Machine B..... ? I love licensing threads and unnecessary arguments. But I'm actually faced with the possibility of this question. Obviously, I don't want the MIB from Redmond to come here and crack my skull and throw me into jail. Opinions? My initial opinion is that by the letter of the EULA this is still illegal. Thanks, Stew I'm assuming that you have two Dells, both of which came with Office XP installed, and came with OEM Office XP disks to reinstall if needed. Machine A has died, but you have its Office XP disk. Machine B is working fine but doesn't have Office installed. If you were to compare bit-for-bit Machine A's OEM Office disk and the one that originally came with Machine B, you'd find they were flat out identical. Hence I really can't see the problem he you've "found" Machine B's missing Office CD, in effect...it's a little bit like the old saw of "if a tree falls in a forest when there's no-one around to hear it, does it make a sound"... Ric Ric - It's not meant to be a flippant question at all; but given the MS EULA legalty questions and specifically how an OEM license/COA stays with a given system/OEM hardware configuration, it's a serious question both legally and ethically. The truth is that if Machine A is never in use again (not salvageable other than a few HW components that will be scattered about after testing), then there's *no* risk of that copy of MSOffice being validated or active on more than one machine (Machine B). And, in fact, if there's a "crime" it would rest with whomever has Machine B's media for MSOffice if it is installed on a system that was never purchased with the bundle to begin with. I genuinely wanted some of the more adamant licensing proponents to pick the scenario apart with their most severe criticism and legal points. I'm trying to do the right thing here.('When in doubt, don't.') Stew |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
On Aug 22, 11:25 am, "S.Lewis" wrote:
"ric" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 21, 11:55 pm, "S.Lewis" wrote: Hypothetical: OEM Machine A was destroyed by lightning. It was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. Original sealed discs including key are with the machine. Machine B: is working and was sold to a second party, but no discs or media were included. According to its service tag/original configuration, it also was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. I take it that it is STILL illegal to install the copy of Office XP from Machine A onto Machine B..... ? I love licensing threads and unnecessary arguments. But I'm actually faced with the possibility of this question. Obviously, I don't want the MIB from Redmond to come here and crack my skull and throw me into jail. Opinions? My initial opinion is that by the letter of the EULA this is still illegal. Thanks, Stew I'm assuming that you have two Dells, both of which came with Office XP installed, and came with OEM Office XP disks to reinstall if needed. Machine A has died, but you have its Office XP disk. Machine B is working fine but doesn't have Office installed. If you were to compare bit-for-bit Machine A's OEM Office disk and the one that originally came with Machine B, you'd find they were flat out identical. Hence I really can't see the problem he you've "found" Machine B's missing Office CD, in effect...it's a little bit like the old saw of "if a tree falls in a forest when there's no-one around to hear it, does it make a sound"... Ric Ric - It's not meant to be a flippant question at all; but given the MS EULA legalty questions and specifically how an OEM license/COA stays with a given system/OEM hardware configuration, it's a serious question both legally and ethically. The truth is that if Machine A is never in use again (not salvageable other than a few HW components that will be scattered about after testing), then there's *no* risk of that copy of MSOffice being validated or active on more than one machine (Machine B). And, in fact, if there's a "crime" it would rest with whomever has Machine B's media for MSOffice if it is installed on a system that was never purchased with the bundle to begin with. I genuinely wanted some of the more adamant licensing proponents to pick the scenario apart with their most severe criticism and legal points. I'm trying to do the right thing here.('When in doubt, don't.') Stew- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, I take your point. I guess to further clarify it, if you used Machine A's install media and licenced it with Machine B's Office key then there's no possible problem: the media you install from is effectively the same. If you see what I mean. I must say that *personally* I wouldn't lose sleep over moving an OEM copy of Office from one machine to another, provided you didn't have it installed simultaneously on two machines. This isn't permitted officially via EULA but I *personally* think that a) I can't see the harm as you're not pirating anything or depriving MS of revenue, and b) MS won't know, I wouldn't worry too much. I appreciate YMMV, though. Personally, I'd sack it off and use Open Office for nothing if I was that bothered about it... |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
It's a live interaction over the phone between two people over a subject
matter area that is more than a little "gray". [Do you agree with that?] I rest my case. Journey wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:23:29 -0400, Barry Watzman wrote: What you say, and the exact words you use, and your tone of voice, might determine the outcome. So might whether the person on the other end is having a "good" day or a "bad" day. If someone peed in her Wheaties at the wrong time of the month, you might have a hard time. OR, Microsoft might have a hard time ("screw this company, I'm activating everyone today .....") Oh please, I doubt that it comes down to tone of voice and whether someone is having a good or bad day. Now I may be totally out of line to say that and if so I apologize but it sounds pretty hokey to me. |
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(OT)OEM MS Office Basic and/or OEM Office XP question:
"ric" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 21, 11:55 pm, "S.Lewis" wrote: Hypothetical: OEM Machine A was destroyed by lightning. It was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. Original sealed discs including key are with the machine. Machine B: is working and was sold to a second party, but no discs or media were included. According to its service tag/original configuration, it also was purchased with an OEM copy of MS Office XP. I take it that it is STILL illegal to install the copy of Office XP from Machine A onto Machine B..... ? I love licensing threads and unnecessary arguments. But I'm actually faced with the possibility of this question. Obviously, I don't want the MIB from Redmond to come here and crack my skull and throw me into jail. Opinions? My initial opinion is that by the letter of the EULA this is still illegal. Thanks, Stew I'm assuming that you have two Dells, both of which came with Office XP installed, and came with OEM Office XP disks to reinstall if needed. Machine A has died, but you have its Office XP disk. Machine B is working fine but doesn't have Office installed. If you were to compare bit-for-bit Machine A's OEM Office disk and the one that originally came with Machine B, you'd find they were flat out identical. Hence I really can't see the problem he you've "found" Machine B's missing Office CD, in effect...it's a little bit like the old saw of "if a tree falls in a forest when there's no-one around to hear it, does it make a sound"... Ric For christs sake , just supply the disks from machine A with Machine B so long as machine B has a licence then there is no way on this planet that you can tie a particular disk made in whatever factory around the world to a particular machine even the germans arn't that maticulous at keeping records, so long as its got a licence it dont matter what disk you use to install |
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