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Is a 300w power supply enough for my system?
I've got a 5-year old 300w power supply (Antec PP-303X). I'm about to
add a IDE RAID controller and another hard drive, and a few more case fans, and am wondering if I need a new power supply. Here's what my system will have after the upgrades: ABIT KT7-RAID mobo Athlon Tbird 1.2 GHz GlobalWin FOP32-1 heatsink 2 sticks of PC133 RAM 2 IDE 7200 rpm hard drives Matrox G400 AGP video card with 16 mb PCI 3ware IDE RAID true hardware controller PCI network card PCI generic soundcard ISA modem DVD-ROM drive CD-RW drive floppy drive USB memory card reader 4 case fans keyboard mouse I checked some of those online power supply calculators... the Extreme PSU one and the Takaman one (which were set to 80% utilization) said I need a PSU around 270w, and the JSCustom one said I need a PSU around 300w. I've read that you shouldn't exceed a PSU's wattage by 80%, and I also should have some "extra" wattage in case I add more components in the future. So do you think my 300w power supply is enough? |
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Is a 300w power supply enough for my system?
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says... I've got a 5-year old 300w power supply (Antec PP-303X). I'm about to add a IDE RAID controller and another hard drive, and a few more case fans, and am wondering if I need a new power supply. Here's what my system will have after the upgrades: ABIT KT7-RAID mobo Athlon Tbird 1.2 GHz GlobalWin FOP32-1 heatsink 2 sticks of PC133 RAM 2 IDE 7200 rpm hard drives Matrox G400 AGP video card with 16 mb PCI 3ware IDE RAID true hardware controller PCI network card PCI generic soundcard ISA modem DVD-ROM drive CD-RW drive floppy drive USB memory card reader 4 case fans keyboard mouse I checked some of those online power supply calculators... the Extreme PSU one and the Takaman one (which were set to 80% utilization) said I need a PSU around 270w, and the JSCustom one said I need a PSU around 300w. I've read that you shouldn't exceed a PSU's wattage by 80%, and I also should have some "extra" wattage in case I add more components in the future. So do you think my 300w power supply is enough? It's touch and go. With PSU's being relatively cheap and little price difference between the low and mid rated ones, go for at least 400W. -- Conor Windows & Outlook/OE in particular, shipped with settings making them as open to entry as a starlet in a porno. Steve B |
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Is a 300w power supply enough for my system?
Last PC that I built two years ago, got down to individual voltage
requirements in terms of amperage for each component. Found some power supplies inadequate, even though the same overall wattage rating. If you're going to keep the PC for awhile, also factor in component aging that eats more power as well. You will determine any added hardware, therefore, only you control that. Therefore, only you can make a power supply determination on that particular factor. ............. Jonny wrote in message oups.com... I've got a 5-year old 300w power supply (Antec PP-303X). I'm about to add a IDE RAID controller and another hard drive, and a few more case fans, and am wondering if I need a new power supply. Here's what my system will have after the upgrades: ABIT KT7-RAID mobo Athlon Tbird 1.2 GHz GlobalWin FOP32-1 heatsink 2 sticks of PC133 RAM 2 IDE 7200 rpm hard drives Matrox G400 AGP video card with 16 mb PCI 3ware IDE RAID true hardware controller PCI network card PCI generic soundcard ISA modem DVD-ROM drive CD-RW drive floppy drive USB memory card reader 4 case fans keyboard mouse I checked some of those online power supply calculators... the Extreme PSU one and the Takaman one (which were set to 80% utilization) said I need a PSU around 270w, and the JSCustom one said I need a PSU around 300w. I've read that you shouldn't exceed a PSU's wattage by 80%, and I also should have some "extra" wattage in case I add more components in the future. So do you think my 300w power supply is enough? |
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what brand of PSU? What model?
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Is a 300w power supply enough for my system?
"Jim" wrote in message nk.net... Last PC that I built two years ago, got down to individual voltage requirements in terms of amperage for each component. Found some power supplies inadequate, even though the same overall wattage rating. If you're going to keep the PC for awhile, also factor in component aging that eats more power as well. You will determine any added hardware, therefore, only you control that. Therefore, only you can make a power supply determination on that particular factor. ............ Jonny wrote in message oups.com... I've got a 5-year old 300w power supply (Antec PP-303X). I'm about to add a IDE RAID controller and another hard drive, and a few more case fans, and am wondering if I need a new power supply. Here's what my system will have after the upgrades: ABIT KT7-RAID mobo Athlon Tbird 1.2 GHz GlobalWin FOP32-1 heatsink 2 sticks of PC133 RAM 2 IDE 7200 rpm hard drives Matrox G400 AGP video card with 16 mb PCI 3ware IDE RAID true hardware controller PCI network card PCI generic soundcard ISA modem DVD-ROM drive CD-RW drive floppy drive USB memory card reader 4 case fans keyboard mouse I checked some of those online power supply calculators... the Extreme PSU one and the Takaman one (which were set to 80% utilization) said I need a PSU around 270w, and the JSCustom one said I need a PSU around 300w. I've read that you shouldn't exceed a PSU's wattage by 80%, and I also should have some "extra" wattage in case I add more components in the future. So do you think my 300w power supply is enough? Isn't there something about, even though you get a high wattage SPU, you got to make sure it can provide enough current on particular DC rails?? Think its the +12V and plus +5V..... but can someone elaborate? |
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adsci wrote: sounds good! i think your psu is enough. but note that 300W PSU equals not 300W PSU. on the PSU is a label which indicates how much power on specific cables is available. can make a difference, but i think your antec psu should do the job. i actually use a 350W Enermax PSU on athlon 2000+, 1gb ram, 9600XT, 3 HDS, 2 optical drives, soundcard, 2 network, tvcard, stuff on usb and it runs very stable. regards marcel most replys on your matter seem to suggest to buy a bigger psu. i dont think so. on my rig the processor (1.6ghz athlon 2000+), the ram (2gb 233Mhz), the hds (3hds) and the videocard (9600XT 128mb) comsume more up to much more power than your system. the power my system consumes while playing games is ~230Watts measured at the power plug. im using a 350 Watts PSU and it runs more than stable. i never had a serious crash even while playing newest games over hours. whats the point of buying a new 350Watts PSU when a) the computers additions sum up to a maximum of maybe 20-30 Watts only? b) the computers power consumption sum up to estimated 230 Watts on load? c) theres already a good 300 Watt PSU in there? d) all online PSU calculations suggest a 300Watts or lower PSU? the calcs already do calculate some reserve in. dont waste your money on a new PSU. test your system stability with the old one first. there is simply no point to invest in a 300W psu with a system that consumes around 200W. only invest if you see any instability. regards marcel |
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Is a 300w power supply enough for my system?
In article .com,
wrote: I've got a 5-year old 300w power supply (Antec PP-303X). I'm about to add a IDE RAID controller and another hard drive, and a few more case fans, and am wondering if I need a new power supply. Here's what my system will have after the upgrades: ABIT KT7-RAID mobo Athlon Tbird 1.2 GHz GlobalWin FOP32-1 heatsink 2 sticks of PC133 RAM 2 IDE 7200 rpm hard drives Matrox G400 AGP video card with 16 mb PCI 3ware IDE RAID true hardware controller PCI network card PCI generic soundcard ISA modem DVD-ROM drive CD-RW drive floppy drive USB memory card reader 4 case fans keyboard mouse I checked some of those online power supply calculators... the Extreme PSU one and the Takaman one (which were set to 80% utilization) said I need a PSU around 270w, and the JSCustom one said I need a PSU around 300w. I've read that you shouldn't exceed a PSU's wattage by 80%, and I also should have some "extra" wattage in case I add more components in the future. So do you think my 300w power supply is enough? http://www2.beareyes.com.cn/jpic/1/2...5_212826_1.jpg 3.3@20A 5V@30A 12V@15A ) +5VSB@2A 180W max on 3.3 plus 5V rails. The KT7 RAID uses a HIP6301 according to this. http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?...kt7_vcore.html http://www.intersil.com/data/fn/fn4765.pdf (HIP6301 datasheet) It looks like the eight pin MOSFET drivers use +12V and so the drain for your processor is on the +12V supply (best guess) A 1.2GHz processor is listed as 59W. At 90% conversion efficiency, this is (59/12)*(1/0.9) = 5.46A from +12V. Which is getting pretty close to the limit for a single pin on the ATX 20 pin power connector. Really makes me wonder whether my sleuthing above is correct... When idle, the three disk drives draw 0.6A each from +12V. At spinup (the 20 seconds just after PC is switched on), the disks can draw over 2amps a piece for the motors. So Takaman shows the spinup power consumption, but not the normal desktop consumption. But you are still not over the +12V limit (5.46 + 3*2.5 = 13A of 15A available). Most supplies can take a slight overload for the time it takes to spin up the drives, and overcurrent is never set to exactly the spec limit for the power supply. Takaman lists the G400 as 10 amps from 3.3V, but I expect neither +3.3V or +5V to be limiting you here. (Your PCI cards are chump change, in terms of power consumption. I'm only trying to address the big consumers here, because the small fry are too hard to guess at with any accuracy.) The CD/DVD isn't going to draw power, unless you are booting from a CD, and even then, the current profile of the motor on the drive will not peak at the same time as the hard drives. (And due to the optical disk industry being very protective of their power numbers, we have no real data to go on, other than the bogus boiler plate numbers. All the optical drives out there cannot be drawing exactly that same power number.) I really don't see a reason to panic. Have a look in your hardware monitor (or use a multimeter), and see if the supply voltages are within 5% of their rated values. If the +12V seems to be below 11.4V, then I'd consider looking for another supply. A multimeter, connected to a spare disk drive connector, will allow you to watch the +12V voltage rail, during the 20 seconds it'll take to spin up the disk drives. AFAIK, those old Antec supplies are from HEC (I've got another model, 352X), and the HEC supply I've got, doesn't seem to be badly made. So my guess would be, close to the limit on the +12V rail, for the first 20 seconds, and comfortable the rest of the time. Paul |
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Is a 300w power supply enough for my system?
Paul wrote:
http://www2.beareyes.com.cn/jpic/1/2...5_212826_1.jpg 3.3@20A 5V@30A 12V@15A ) +5VSB@2A 180W max on 3.3 plus 5V rails. The KT7 RAID uses a HIP6301 according to this. http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?...kt7_vcore.html http://www.intersil.com/data/fn/fn4765.pdf (HIP6301 datasheet) It looks like the eight pin MOSFET drivers use +12V and so the drain for your processor is on the +12V supply (best guess) A 1.2GHz processor is listed as 59W. At 90% conversion efficiency, this is (59/12)*(1/0.9) = 5.46A from +12V. Which is getting pretty close to the limit for a single pin on the ATX 20 pin power connector. Really makes me wonder whether my sleuthing above is correct... When idle, the three disk drives draw 0.6A each from +12V. At spinup (the 20 seconds just after PC is switched on), the disks can draw over 2amps a piece for the motors. So Takaman shows the spinup power consumption, but not the normal desktop consumption. But you are still not over the +12V limit (5.46 + 3*2.5 = 13A of 15A available). Most supplies can Hmm, this page says that 10A is available on the +12. Or am I misunderstanding it? http://www.thetechzone.com/reviews/c...ly/page3.shtml take a slight overload for the time it takes to spin up the drives, and overcurrent is never set to exactly the spec limit for the power supply. Takaman lists the G400 as 10 amps from 3.3V, but I expect neither +3.3V or +5V to be limiting you here. (Your PCI cards are chump change, in terms of power consumption. I'm only trying to address the big consumers here, because the small fry are too hard to guess at with any accuracy.) The CD/DVD isn't going to draw power, unless you are booting from a CD, and even then, the current profile of the motor on the drive will not peak at the same time as the hard drives. (And due to the optical disk industry being very protective of their power numbers, we have no real data to go on, other than the bogus boiler plate numbers. All the optical drives out there cannot be drawing exactly that same power number.) I really don't see a reason to panic. Have a look in your hardware monitor (or use a multimeter), and see if the supply voltages are within 5% of their rated values. If the +12V seems to be below 11.4V, then I'd consider looking for another supply. A multimeter, connected to a spare disk drive connector, will allow you to watch the +12V voltage rail, during the 20 seconds it'll take to spin up the disk drives. AFAIK, those old Antec supplies are from HEC (I've got another model, 352X), and the HEC supply I've got, doesn't seem to be badly made. So my guess would be, close to the limit on the +12V rail, for the first 20 seconds, and comfortable the rest of the time. I looked inside my Antec, and it's made by Channel Well. I've been thinking about a Seasonic S12 380w PSU. All the other manufacturers have a strong possibility of using bad caps, and Seasonic claims to use higher quality caps. Although I've heard that early shipments of the Seasonics used bad caps, too.... Thanks for the replies, everyone. |
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