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Yes and yes.
The problem seems to be that the BIOS program does not respond to my PS/2 keyboard. I have BT keyboard and mouse. That seems a goofy idea. I have a USB mouse but no USB keyboard. I suppose device selection can be done in BIOS program. Once the BIOS program decides nothing is happening the PC shuts down. I sent a message to seller. The PS/2 connections go through the IO shield to the mainboard. It is independent of any connections to MX300-X gaming case. My bad. I had one stick 500 MB RAM installed. I removed that and installed two 4GB RAM sticks in dual channel configuration. Now keyboard and BIOS program work. Got into BartPE USB dongle and ran CPU-Z. Read RAM SPDs. Now booted Memtest dongle. I have no idea of what BIOS version is installed. I might as well go for bust. Upgrade Q8400 to Q9650. Install GT780 in PCIe slot and boot Win10 from SATA SSDs. |
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Yes and yes.
The problem seems to be that the BIOS program does not respond to my PS/2 keyboard. I have BT keyboard and mouse. That seems a goofy idea. I have a USB mouse but no USB keyboard. I suppose device selection can be done in BIOS program. Once the BIOS program decides nothing is happening the PC shuts down. I sent a message to seller. The PS/2 connections go through the IO shield to the mainboard. It is independent of any connections to MX300-X gaming case. My bad. I had one stick 500 MB RAM installed. I removed that and installed two 4GB RAM sticks in dual channel configuration. Now keyboard and BIOS program work. Ooo. Memtest errors. Maybe Q8400 is bad? |
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Norm Why wrote:
Yes and yes. The problem seems to be that the BIOS program does not respond to my PS/2 keyboard. I have BT keyboard and mouse. That seems a goofy idea. I have a USB mouse but no USB keyboard. I suppose device selection can be done in BIOS program. Once the BIOS program decides nothing is happening the PC shuts down. I sent a message to seller. The PS/2 connections go through the IO shield to the mainboard. It is independent of any connections to MX300-X gaming case. My bad. I had one stick 500 MB RAM installed. I removed that and installed two 4GB RAM sticks in dual channel configuration. Now keyboard and BIOS program work. Ooo. Memtest errors. Maybe Q8400 is bad? Are the RAM sticks "enthusiast" RAM or regular RAM ? Regular RAM doesn't have heatsinks - that's one possible indicator. Enthusiast RAM has a voltage spec. It indicates whether the RAM is fundamentally high voltage or low voltage. An example of high voltage RAM, was the winbond 2.5V RAM that could run at 3.3V to 3.6V or so. Basically, it had a ton of headroom. Other RAMs, a 2.5V stick runs at 2.7V max. The reason that limit exists, is the RAM has an internal voltage regulator and it starts to get hot if you raise VDimm too radically. On enthusiast RAM, the "rated" parameters are not loaded into the SPD. Lower values are used to ensure the operator can get into the BIOS. When the lower values are being used, it is hoped that no voltage boost is needed. But perhaps a small tweak won't hurt. There are two voltages you could adjust. There is VDimm, which is the 1.35/1.5/1.8/2.5/3.3V value (depends on DRAM family). There is also Vnb, a Northbridge voltage on setups where there is still a separate Northbridge chip and it has the memory interfaces. That's what you're using at the moment. I bumped the Vnb on my X48 chipset by a couple of the smallest notches, perhaps 0.050V or so total, from its nominal value. That removes errors on my setup. The RAM, the nominal is 1.8V and the enthusiast (Corsair) voltage is 1.8V too. It doesn't need to be boosted to run DDR2-800 5-5-5-18, and considering the age of the hardware, there's nothing to be gained from abusing it. If I was having trouble with the RAM, I could try 1.9V or if necessary 2.0V. Some Intel systems that run 1.5V RAM, the memory controller is on the CPU, and the CPU has a 1.65V Max spec. Intel doesn't want warranty damage on the CPUs, so it has a spec out there for the kids so they won't ruin stuff. And this meant that when the enthusiast makers made RAM for those setups, they no longer dabbled in "extreme" voltages. There were no more "winbond style" experiments. No senseless shooting for the moon stuff. ******* You should be able to test the sticks, one stick at a time. I do tests that way, so the test result ("which DIMM is bad") is unambiguous. The following is for "thoroughness of testing". My favorite way to test, is two sticks in single channel mode, so that the "upper stick" is 100% tested, while the "lower stick" is 99% tested. You swap the two sticks and repeat the memtest single pass, so that the stick now sitting in the high slot gets 100% tested too. This is mainly for stuck-at faults, to make sure any 640K reserved locations don't harbor bad RAM. Don't forget proper etiquette when RAM testing. Power off, wait 60 seconds (or until the green LED goes out), before pulling the RAM sticks and pushing them in again. That's to make sure there is no power in the slot. ******* This is what I'm running at the moment. I used to have four sticks of Kingston CAS6 (that failed). All I could find at the time in a CAS5 was this stuff, so that's what is in the machine at the moment. Four 2GB sticks. The Northbridge is probably the flakiest part of the setup now. I think I was pretty lucky to get this (I might have asked at the computer store and they still had some). Usually what happens, is after a memory generation is "Done", all the CAS5 disappears and only some crappy CAS6 is left. It's pretty hard to find fancy memory ten years after the motherboard came out. By crappy, the Kingston I bought ran abnormally hot, and the voltage wasn't over stock. I even added a cooling fan over the RAM just in case, for the Kingston stuff. The Corsair right now is cooler and isn't scaring me on temps. It doesn't look like it's still in circulation. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...N2X4096-6400C5 Sometimes, the chipset is also a limitation. It's possible the X48 can't run below CAS4. That's if you could find some RAM that low. So eventually, the timing inside the Northbridge doesn't allow "cranking CAS to zero". It has a limit too (a minimum CAS value). Paul |
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My bad. I had one stick 500 MB RAM installed. I removed that and
installed two 4GB RAM sticks in dual channel configuration. Now keyboard and BIOS program work. Ooo. Memtest errors. Maybe Q8400 is bad? The power supply is meant for always on, seldom boot. New boot requires Memtest. The BIOS program shows no version #, must be v1.0 Soon upgrade within BartPE, WinXP which is safe. I plugged in GTX GPU into PCIe and get a blue screen. It works but no driver in this BIOS. Gigabyte is meant for dual BIOS, M_BIOS B_BIOS cmos chips. Nothing I see conforms to manual. My friend said that a good CMOS program should detect either PCI VGA or PCIe HDMI. My VGA monitor is 1600x900 small Flash BIOS is taking a very long time, maybe one byte at a time. But Task Manager says it is using zero CPU. Maybe it will work in Win10 along with all the Gigabyte device drivers. |
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Ooo. Memtest errors. Maybe Q8400 is bad? Are the RAM sticks "enthusiast" RAM or regular RAM ? Regular RAM doesn't have heatsinks - that's one possible indicator. Enthusiast RAM has a voltage spec. It indicates whether the RAM is fundamentally high voltage or low voltage. An example of high voltage RAM, was the winbond 2.5V RAM that could run at 3.3V to 3.6V or so. Basically, it had a ton of headroom. Other RAMs, a 2.5V stick runs at 2.7V max. The reason that limit exists, is the RAM has an internal voltage regulator and it starts to get hot if you raise VDimm too radically. On enthusiast RAM, the "rated" parameters are not loaded into the SPD. Lower values are used to ensure the operator can get into the BIOS. When the lower values are being used, it is hoped that no voltage boost is needed. But perhaps a small tweak won't hurt. There are two voltages you could adjust. There is VDimm, which is the 1.35/1.5/1.8/2.5/3.3V value (depends on DRAM family). There is also Vnb, a Northbridge voltage on setups where there is still a separate Northbridge chip and it has the memory interfaces. That's what you're using at the moment. I bumped the Vnb on my X48 chipset by a couple of the smallest notches, perhaps 0.050V or so total, from its nominal value. That removes errors on my setup. The RAM, the nominal is 1.8V and the enthusiast (Corsair) voltage is 1.8V too. It doesn't need to be boosted to run DDR2-800 5-5-5-18, and considering the age of the hardware, there's nothing to be gained from abusing it. If I was having trouble with the RAM, I could try 1.9V or if necessary 2.0V. Some Intel systems that run 1.5V RAM, the memory controller is on the CPU, and the CPU has a 1.65V Max spec. Intel doesn't want warranty damage on the CPUs, so it has a spec out there for the kids so they won't ruin stuff. And this meant that when the enthusiast makers made RAM for those setups, they no longer dabbled in "extreme" voltages. There were no more "winbond style" experiments. No senseless shooting for the moon stuff. ******* You should be able to test the sticks, one stick at a time. I do tests that way, so the test result ("which DIMM is bad") is unambiguous. The following is for "thoroughness of testing". My favorite way to test, is two sticks in single channel mode, so that the "upper stick" is 100% tested, while the "lower stick" is 99% tested. You swap the two sticks and repeat the memtest single pass, so that the stick now sitting in the high slot gets 100% tested too. This is mainly for stuck-at faults, to make sure any 640K reserved locations don't harbor bad RAM. Don't forget proper etiquette when RAM testing. Power off, wait 60 seconds (or until the green LED goes out), before pulling the RAM sticks and pushing them in again. That's to make sure there is no power in the slot. ******* This is what I'm running at the moment. I used to have four sticks of Kingston CAS6 (that failed). All I could find at the time in a CAS5 was this stuff, so that's what is in the machine at the moment. Four 2GB sticks. The Northbridge is probably the flakiest part of the setup now. I think I was pretty lucky to get this (I might have asked at the computer store and they still had some). Usually what happens, is after a memory generation is "Done", all the CAS5 disappears and only some crappy CAS6 is left. It's pretty hard to find fancy memory ten years after the motherboard came out. By crappy, the Kingston I bought ran abnormally hot, and the voltage wasn't over stock. I even added a cooling fan over the RAM just in case, for the Kingston stuff. The Corsair right now is cooler and isn't scaring me on temps. It doesn't look like it's still in circulation. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...N2X4096-6400C5 Sometimes, the chipset is also a limitation. It's possible the X48 can't run below CAS4. That's if you could find some RAM that low. So eventually, the timing inside the Northbridge doesn't allow "cranking CAS to zero". It has a limit too (a minimum CAS value). Paul Thanks Paul. Upgraded to Q9650 CPU and renewed thermal compound on Intel heat sink fan. As before, first memtest failed. Now running second memtest. Samsung 4GB modules are cheap. Time to buy more from eBay for total 16GB RAM memory. |
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Are the RAM sticks "enthusiast" RAM or regular RAM ?
Regular RAM doesn't have heatsinks - that's one possible indicator. Enthusiast RAM has a voltage spec. It indicates whether the RAM is fundamentally high voltage or low voltage. An example of high voltage RAM, was the winbond 2.5V RAM that could run at 3.3V to 3.6V or so. Basically, it had a ton of headroom. Other RAMs, a 2.5V stick runs at 2.7V max. The reason that limit exists, is the RAM has an internal voltage regulator and it starts to get hot if you raise VDimm too radically. On enthusiast RAM, the "rated" parameters are not loaded into the SPD. Lower values are used to ensure the operator can get into the BIOS. When the lower values are being used, it is hoped that no voltage boost is needed. But perhaps a small tweak won't hurt. There are two voltages you could adjust. There is VDimm, which is the 1.35/1.5/1.8/2.5/3.3V value (depends on DRAM family). There is also Vnb, a Northbridge voltage on setups where there is still a separate Northbridge chip and it has the memory interfaces. That's what you're using at the moment. I bumped the Vnb on my X48 chipset by a couple of the smallest notches, perhaps 0.050V or so total, from its nominal value. That removes errors on my setup. The RAM, the nominal is 1.8V and the enthusiast (Corsair) voltage is 1.8V too. It doesn't need to be boosted to run DDR2-800 5-5-5-18, and considering the age of the hardware, there's nothing to be gained from abusing it. If I was having trouble with the RAM, I could try 1.9V or if necessary 2.0V. Some Intel systems that run 1.5V RAM, the memory controller is on the CPU, and the CPU has a 1.65V Max spec. Intel doesn't want warranty damage on the CPUs, so it has a spec out there for the kids so they won't ruin stuff. And this meant that when the enthusiast makers made RAM for those setups, they no longer dabbled in "extreme" voltages. There were no more "winbond style" experiments. No senseless shooting for the moon stuff. ******* You should be able to test the sticks, one stick at a time. I do tests that way, so the test result ("which DIMM is bad") is unambiguous. The following is for "thoroughness of testing". My favorite way to test, is two sticks in single channel mode, so that the "upper stick" is 100% tested, while the "lower stick" is 99% tested. You swap the two sticks and repeat the memtest single pass, so that the stick now sitting in the high slot gets 100% tested too. This is mainly for stuck-at faults, to make sure any 640K reserved locations don't harbor bad RAM. Don't forget proper etiquette when RAM testing. Power off, wait 60 seconds (or until the green LED goes out), before pulling the RAM sticks and pushing them in again. That's to make sure there is no power in the slot. ******* This is what I'm running at the moment. I used to have four sticks of Kingston CAS6 (that failed). All I could find at the time in a CAS5 was this stuff, so that's what is in the machine at the moment. Four 2GB sticks. The Northbridge is probably the flakiest part of the setup now. I think I was pretty lucky to get this (I might have asked at the computer store and they still had some). Usually what happens, is after a memory generation is "Done", all the CAS5 disappears and only some crappy CAS6 is left. It's pretty hard to find fancy memory ten years after the motherboard came out. By crappy, the Kingston I bought ran abnormally hot, and the voltage wasn't over stock. I even added a cooling fan over the RAM just in case, for the Kingston stuff. The Corsair right now is cooler and isn't scaring me on temps. It doesn't look like it's still in circulation. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...N2X4096-6400C5 Sometimes, the chipset is also a limitation. It's possible the X48 can't run below CAS4. That's if you could find some RAM that low. So eventually, the timing inside the Northbridge doesn't allow "cranking CAS to zero". It has a limit too (a minimum CAS value). Paul Thanks Paul. Upgraded to Q9650 CPU and renewed thermal compound on Intel heat sink fan. As before, first memtest failed. Now running second memtest. Samsung 4GB modules are cheap. Time to buy more from eBay for total 16GB RAM memory. Q9650 CPU works OK. When I set up the SSDs' SATA and power cables, I ran into trouble. Win10 tried to boot. It failed because it did not find GTX950 HDMI display driver, even though those drivers were enabled last time Win10 booted. Win10 said the PCI VGA was not compatible with Win10. I may have a troubleshooting CDROM somewhere. Still running Memtest. |
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You should be able to test the sticks, one stick at a time. I do tests that way, so the test result ("which DIMM is bad") is unambiguous. The following is for "thoroughness of testing". My favorite way to test, is two sticks in single channel mode, so that the "upper stick" is 100% tested, while the "lower stick" is 99% tested. You swap the two sticks and repeat the memtest single pass, so that the stick now sitting in the high slot gets 100% tested too. This is mainly for stuck-at faults, to make sure any 640K reserved locations don't harbor bad RAM. Don't forget proper etiquette when RAM testing. Power off, wait 60 seconds (or until the green LED goes out), before pulling the RAM sticks and pushing them in again. That's to make sure there is no power in the slot. ******* This is what I'm running at the moment. I used to have four sticks of Kingston CAS6 (that failed). All I could find at the time in a CAS5 was this stuff, so that's what is in the machine at the moment. Four 2GB sticks. The Northbridge is probably the flakiest part of the setup now. I think I was pretty lucky to get this (I might have asked at the computer store and they still had some). Usually what happens, is after a memory generation is "Done", all the CAS5 disappears and only some crappy CAS6 is left. It's pretty hard to find fancy memory ten years after the motherboard came out. By crappy, the Kingston I bought ran abnormally hot, and the voltage wasn't over stock. I even added a cooling fan over the RAM just in case, for the Kingston stuff. The Corsair right now is cooler and isn't scaring me on temps. It doesn't look like it's still in circulation. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...N2X4096-6400C5 Sometimes, the chipset is also a limitation. It's possible the X48 can't run below CAS4. That's if you could find some RAM that low. So eventually, the timing inside the Northbridge doesn't allow "cranking CAS to zero". It has a limit too (a minimum CAS value). Paul Thanks Paul. Upgraded to Q9650 CPU and renewed thermal compound on Intel heat sink fan. As before, first memtest failed. Now running second memtest. Samsung 4GB modules are cheap. Time to buy more from eBay for total 16GB RAM memory. Q9650 CPU works OK. When I set up the SSDs' SATA and power cables, I ran into trouble. Win10 tried to boot. It failed because it did not find GTX950 HDMI display driver, even though those drivers were enabled last time Win10 booted. Win10 said the PCI VGA was not compatible with Win10. I may have a troubleshooting CDROM somewhere. Still running Memtest. I found a utility in BIOS to upgrade BIOS version. I pointed it to an .exe file I placed on BartPE. It failed. If I can find a .dat for cmos it might work for me. |
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Paul
Thanks Paul. Upgraded to Q9650 CPU and renewed thermal compound on Intel heat sink fan. As before, first memtest failed. Now running second memtest. Samsung 4GB modules are cheap. Time to buy more from eBay for total 16GB RAM memory. Q9650 CPU works OK. When I set up the SSDs' SATA and power cables, I ran into trouble. Win10 tried to boot. It failed because it did not find GTX950 HDMI display driver, even though those drivers were enabled last time Win10 booted. Win10 said the PCI VGA was not compatible with Win10. I may have a troubleshooting CDROM somewhere. Still running Memtest. I found a utility in BIOS to upgrade BIOS version. I pointed it to an .exe file I placed on BartPE. It failed. If I can find a .dat for cmos it might work for me. Trying to mount CDROM, I discovered I mounted CDROM drive upside down. Later. |
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I found a utility in BIOS to upgrade BIOS version. I pointed it to an
.exe file I placed on BartPE. It failed. If I can find a .dat for cmos it might work for me. Trying to mount CDROM, I discovered I mounted CDROM drive upside down. Later. Attempt to upgrade BIOS program to F9 failed. |
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Norm Why wrote:
Are the RAM sticks "enthusiast" RAM or regular RAM ? Regular RAM doesn't have heatsinks - that's one possible indicator. Enthusiast RAM has a voltage spec. It indicates whether the RAM is fundamentally high voltage or low voltage. An example of high voltage RAM, was the winbond 2.5V RAM that could run at 3.3V to 3.6V or so. Basically, it had a ton of headroom. Other RAMs, a 2.5V stick runs at 2.7V max. The reason that limit exists, is the RAM has an internal voltage regulator and it starts to get hot if you raise VDimm too radically. On enthusiast RAM, the "rated" parameters are not loaded into the SPD. Lower values are used to ensure the operator can get into the BIOS. When the lower values are being used, it is hoped that no voltage boost is needed. But perhaps a small tweak won't hurt. There are two voltages you could adjust. There is VDimm, which is the 1.35/1.5/1.8/2.5/3.3V value (depends on DRAM family). There is also Vnb, a Northbridge voltage on setups where there is still a separate Northbridge chip and it has the memory interfaces. That's what you're using at the moment. I bumped the Vnb on my X48 chipset by a couple of the smallest notches, perhaps 0.050V or so total, from its nominal value. That removes errors on my setup. The RAM, the nominal is 1.8V and the enthusiast (Corsair) voltage is 1.8V too. It doesn't need to be boosted to run DDR2-800 5-5-5-18, and considering the age of the hardware, there's nothing to be gained from abusing it. If I was having trouble with the RAM, I could try 1.9V or if necessary 2.0V. Some Intel systems that run 1.5V RAM, the memory controller is on the CPU, and the CPU has a 1.65V Max spec. Intel doesn't want warranty damage on the CPUs, so it has a spec out there for the kids so they won't ruin stuff. And this meant that when the enthusiast makers made RAM for those setups, they no longer dabbled in "extreme" voltages. There were no more "winbond style" experiments. No senseless shooting for the moon stuff. ******* You should be able to test the sticks, one stick at a time. I do tests that way, so the test result ("which DIMM is bad") is unambiguous. The following is for "thoroughness of testing". My favorite way to test, is two sticks in single channel mode, so that the "upper stick" is 100% tested, while the "lower stick" is 99% tested. You swap the two sticks and repeat the memtest single pass, so that the stick now sitting in the high slot gets 100% tested too. This is mainly for stuck-at faults, to make sure any 640K reserved locations don't harbor bad RAM. Don't forget proper etiquette when RAM testing. Power off, wait 60 seconds (or until the green LED goes out), before pulling the RAM sticks and pushing them in again. That's to make sure there is no power in the slot. ******* This is what I'm running at the moment. I used to have four sticks of Kingston CAS6 (that failed). All I could find at the time in a CAS5 was this stuff, so that's what is in the machine at the moment. Four 2GB sticks. The Northbridge is probably the flakiest part of the setup now. I think I was pretty lucky to get this (I might have asked at the computer store and they still had some). Usually what happens, is after a memory generation is "Done", all the CAS5 disappears and only some crappy CAS6 is left. It's pretty hard to find fancy memory ten years after the motherboard came out. By crappy, the Kingston I bought ran abnormally hot, and the voltage wasn't over stock. I even added a cooling fan over the RAM just in case, for the Kingston stuff. The Corsair right now is cooler and isn't scaring me on temps. It doesn't look like it's still in circulation. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...N2X4096-6400C5 Sometimes, the chipset is also a limitation. It's possible the X48 can't run below CAS4. That's if you could find some RAM that low. So eventually, the timing inside the Northbridge doesn't allow "cranking CAS to zero". It has a limit too (a minimum CAS value). Paul Thanks Paul. Upgraded to Q9650 CPU and renewed thermal compound on Intel heat sink fan. As before, first memtest failed. Now running second memtest. Samsung 4GB modules are cheap. Time to buy more from eBay for total 16GB RAM memory. Q9650 CPU works OK. When I set up the SSDs' SATA and power cables, I ran into trouble. Win10 tried to boot. It failed because it did not find GTX950 HDMI display driver, even though those drivers were enabled last time Win10 booted. Win10 said the PCI VGA was not compatible with Win10. I may have a troubleshooting CDROM somewhere. Still running Memtest. This should not stop Windows 10. Windows (as is traditional) has a built-in VESA driver. All video cards have a standard legacy interface, which the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter driver can see. The VESA style driver usually limits the resolution to a safe value - this avoids lawsuits that happened during the "non-multisync" era, where monitors were ruined by OSes using too high a resolution setting. The companies have never forgotten this, and to this day limit themselves to 1024x768 for example. And yes, a 4:3 resolution looks strange on a 16:9 monitor :-) Is there more than one display device in the computer ? Would the second display device be 1024x600 resolution ? There has got to be some explanation for why the MBDA driver did not cut in and bring up the system. I can bring up Windows 10 with an FX5200 in the machine. And the FX5200 doesn't have a Windows 10 driver. Paul |
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