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Tachi X570 has only 1 gigabit ethernetport kinda disappointing(not future-proof, no 10 GBe)
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Tachi X570 has only 1 gigabit ethernetport kinda disappointing (not future-proof, no 10 GBe)
On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 15:52:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
There is one 40TB flash drive today, in a 3.5" form factor. It has a SATA interface. You can write to it continuously, without exhausting the TBW rating (before the warranty expires). But it costs as much as a small car The problems are solvable: 1) With bags of cash To most people, a shiny new toy bragfest is probably more interesting than my old computer parts posts. That's OK, nobody can stop me, and I don't care. |
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The following comments are probably worthless, but nevertheless....
On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:27:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 9:04:32 PM UTC+2, Charlie Hoffpauir wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:08:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote: HOLY****. HOW DEEP DOES YOUR STUPIDITY GO ?! LOL. So you want me to risk 50 TERRABYTES OF DATA... by moving the harddisks ?! LOL. FAT CHANCE ! LOL. I've been reading this with interest, and I generally have reasonable comprehension, but I'm still confused. Please simplify and correct my errors... You have 50 TB on data on an old computer. IN THE FUTURE my soon-to-be-new-computer will be my OLD computer THIS IS FUTURE THINKING LOL. Currently I have 4 TERABYTES TO TRANSFER TO NEW COMPUTER which I may soon BUY. The new computer should have 40 to 50 TERABYTES of storage space to: 1. Store my old 4 TB of DATA ON. 2. Have 36 TB to 46 TB of free space for new data. 40 TB harddisk space 10 TB super fast solid state drives, that's the plan. In the far future, maybe 5 or 10 years from now that 50 TB has to be transferred to a SECOND NEW COMPUTER. And I want to make sure my by then old computer, which is to be my new computer soon, is capable of transferring that FUTURE DATA =D at reasonable speeds ! =D Thus this futuristic idea will decide which computer I WILL BUY two months from now ! And it will probably not be a ASROCK/TACHI motherboard because it cannot do what I want to do in the future GET IT YET ? IF NOT WATCH SOME MORE BACK TO THE FUTURE ! LOLOLOLOLOL. All of this is just based on my experience with computers which is at about 30 years by now. You want to transfer that to a new computer, without opening the box(es). You don't want to take days to effect the transfer via 1 Gb transfer rate. If I have understood that correctly (perhaps a bad assumption, but I'll await our corrections)I have a question. Is the data important to you, ie would you really mind if it were all lost? It would be very annoying... most of it will be music... some of it will be applications, some of it will be games. Most important data can probably fit in less then a terrabyte... however that consumption is also growing little bit by little bit. Losing CODE, E-MAILS, DOCUMENTS would be must unacceptable. account information/passwords would also be an inconvenience. Now assuming it IS important, how do you back it up now? I have only a couple of TB of data that I can't afford to lose, and I back it up I have two internal harddisks... I backup my data to the other harddisk. I also have an external usb-harddisk which I bought cheaply from local electronics store... I don't quite trust it cause it's slow and makes a weird clicking sound... but it's better than nothing. Used to use CD/DVDs for it too... even have some tucked away in a fault... which will probably have to go away from that place in coming years... but this is the worst backup medium because of "retention time" losses data because of temperature fluctuations/gravity bending back the pits that were carved into the metal... at least a temperature vault could protect against that a little bit... don't know if these dvd's/cd's in the fault are still working... since my cd/dvd drive is kaputt.... not much worth it anymore... though old computer could still read it... hence... glad I don't listen to my mom and "throw away" old computers lol. with triple redundancy... to a removable hard drive every 5 days, and to an always on-line NAS unit daily. I really can't imagine how I'd back up 50 TB of data. But however you do it, why not simply connect your backup system to the new computer and transfer the after backing it up from the old computer? Connecting big devices is always a risk because of voltage-differences... Can you imagine 10 gigabit ethernet ? I can though... I can even imagine 100 gigabit or something new technology... But 10 gigabit sounds delicious for now. 6 hours to transfer 50 TB seems reasonable. However.... I see a problem though.... The harddisks probably cannot feed 1 gigabyte/sec data transfer rate. It will probably be more like 180 megabyte/sec or so.... So roughly 5 times slower... it's still 2 times faster then 1 gigabit ethernet. So even based on these rough estimates... 10 gigabit ethernet is still a better choice for todays hardware. At least transferring 10 terrabytes of solid state drives should go much faster. Maybe other options exist like usb 2 usb cables... however... usb also has a power cables... and might fry computers... not sure about that... all these weird holes... plug it in the wrong one and POOF bye bye computer(s)... Bye for now, Skybuck. It's a given that transfer and storage media will be faster in the future. There's even a possibility that DNA based storage will be in place. But it's a pretty sure bet that whatever storage and transfer means there are, transfer within a computer, ie from one storage device to another within the "box" will probably be faster than transfer to a device "outside" the box. So, my recommendation is that you get over your fear of opening the box, and simply connect the devices (whatever you use, perhaps 10 TB HDDs now) directly to the computer. Even novices do this routinely with no problems, so with your 30 years of experience, it should be a breeze. There's even the possibility of using something like an Icy Dock* if you're dead set against opening the box. Slip your 10 TB drive into the Icy Dock and set your RoboCopy script to start copying at midnight and sleep comfortably. Proably take more than one night, but also probably the fastest way currently, as well as in the future. *The Icy Dock goes in a slot that normally holds an optical drive, and the SATA drive simply slides in and out even while the computer is "on". |
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Tachi X570 has only 1 gigabit ethernetport kinda disappointing(not future-proof, no 10 GBe)
Flasherly wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:27:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote: 40 TB harddisk space 10 TB super fast solid state drives, that's the plan. Venture capital. Not everybody gets to be king, just some will try. Depends on how the WEB is being angled. Not everyone needs 40T to make a killing dealing off the WEB, only that it's possible and some will and have. Old, new computer - what's the difference. If it computes what's needed to get you there, thus and then it's still a computer. It's not venture capital, right now it's technology. Disks are now big enough, the ratio between size and sustained speed is no longer working. This is the reason nobody will buy the 40TB drive that writes at around 300MB/sec. It takes too many hours to back up (violates the backup window). This is one reason Seagate is working on a dual-armed hard disk, with two separate sets of heads. It's a means of doubling the speed of the read channel, without modifying the way the heads read/write the disk platter. This will allow a HDD to match the sustained speed of a SATA SSD. https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13...tion_575px.jpg For an SSD hard drive, once the capacity becomes huge, then the I/O needs multiple channels or enhanced speed. I have the same problem with large drives here - it takes too long to do anything with them. Hours and hours. It means your planning has to be flawless when using them, because of the hours wasted if you make just one mistake. Paul |
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:13:07 -0400, Paul
wrote: It's not venture capital, right now it's technology. Disks are now big enough, the ratio between size and sustained speed is no longer working. This is the reason nobody will buy the 40TB drive that writes at around 300MB/sec. It takes too many hours to back up (violates the backup window). This is one reason Seagate is working on a dual-armed hard disk, with two separate sets of heads. It's a means of doubling the speed of the read channel, without modifying the way the heads read/write the disk platter. This will allow a HDD to match the sustained speed of a SATA SSD. https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13...tion_575px.jpg For an SSD hard drive, once the capacity becomes huge, then the I/O needs multiple channels or enhanced speed. I have the same problem with large drives here - it takes too long to do anything with them. Hours and hours. It means your planning has to be flawless when using them, because of the hours wasted if you make just one mistake. Of course. I didn't intend to mean, 40T at that expediency is, according to where it's aimed at, less than venturesome in its own right. Markets are all about cutting-edge speeds: trading instruments within milliseconds. They're at advantage over the timer technician, without near to a supercomputer to run from major exchanges, directly through a major brokerage house and their facilities/equipment (special trader privileges and special qualifications to challenge for an day-trader operative seat). That so-called timer may do well to better now consider tempering a hedged trade with more stops and puts now, than from where computers have since taken trading. Computers have always been, at least for me, about hours and hours of patience, certainly made from enough mistakes prior, that won't work any other way than to think them through thoroughly prior and plan for unexpected contingencies. Murphy's Law on one's level of proficiency or somesuch humility seems about right to me. A 4T SSD is the biggest I've offhand seen for hugeness. |
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Tachi X570 has only 1 gigabit ethernetport kinda disappointing(not future-proof, no 10 GBe)
In this video the guy is talking about how to get 10 GbE on the cheap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuyuS04lD4o And then funny and weird thing the guy says is that the X470 Tachi Ultimate motherboard (so the previous generation) does have 10 GbE. HOLY****, HOLY****. So now the new one X570 Tachi "normal" edition doesn't ! HAHAHA I laugh at ASRock right now... such a scam as far as I am concerned. Next generation number should always be better than previous generation number and not worse. IS THAT WEIRD OR WHAT ?! Let me know your thoughts on this new X-FILES EPISODE ! =D Bye, Skybuck. |
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In this video the guy is talking about how to get 10 GbE on the cheap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuyuS04lD4o And then funny and weird thing the guy says is that the X470 Tachi Ultimate motherboard (so the previous generation) does have 10 GbE. HOLY****, HOLY****. So now the new one X570 Tachi "normal" edition doesn't ! HAHAHA I laugh at ASRock right now... such a scam as far as I am concerned. Next generation number should always be better than previous generation number and not worse. IS THAT WEIRD OR WHAT ?! Let me know your thoughts on this new X-FILES EPISODE ! =D Bye, Skybuck. In the business, these are known as "novelty items". When the cheap 10GbE came out, they knew adding one to a motherboard, would raise the price by $50 or more. They can only add such a thing to a premium motherboard for one generation. Otherwise, the Killer NIC is the result. The Killer NIC is an example of a novelty which has "overstayed its welcome". Many buyers *hate* the Killer NIC. Seeing that branding, drives them away from buying the motherboard. It's better to add novelty items for only one generation, so that the novelty does not wear off. This is why you can't have 10GbE, until it becomes a "commodity" and Realtek makes a 10GbE. Their 2.5GbE is nice, but it's just not the right item. Stopping at 2.5GbE is what I'd call "gradualism". You are dribbling out change, in insignificant steps. People can hate you for that, too. Imagine the visceral reaction you'd have, if the motherboard you wanted, happened to have a 100BT NIC on it. You'd be *outraged*. Well, the same thing will eventually happen to the owners of the 2.5GbE stuff. They're going to feel cheated. Paul |
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On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:46:38 AM UTC+8, Paul wrote:
This is why you can't have 10GbE, until it becomes a "commodity" and Realtek makes a 10GbE. Their 2.5GbE is nice, but it's just not the right item. Stopping at 2.5GbE is what I'd call "gradualism". You are dribbling out change, in insignificant steps. People can hate you for that, too. I saw a similar argument in another forum - people yelling that that it should jump 10x But what happens above 10Gbe? You get 25, 40, 50, 100, 200.... And everything else (CPU, GPU, RAM, disk) has gradual improvements. |
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