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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
Ed Light wrote:
Rod is a troll. Just filter him out. I'd say. Perhaps but I still find he sometimes prods me to do the research that I should've done beforehand if for anything to prove him wrong. |
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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
VanguardLH wrote
Rod Speed wrote VanguardLH wrote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. Which of the SMART attributes give the maker and model? None. Pity about the make and model that shows up with almost all drives on the SMART report. Evading the question again. Everyone can see you are lying thru your teeth, as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. It's the hardware ID (firmware string) that identifies the device. I said SMART REPORT for a reason. Yeah, that's obvious why you are trying to obfuscate your response. That does not actually specify what utility you were thinking about I said ALL THE SMART UTES THAT I CAN THINK OF DO THAT, ****WIT. but failed to mention, a utility - as it turns out - is not only reporting S.M.A.R.T. attributes but performing *other* tasks, like retrieving and parsing the firmware string. Never said a word about SMART attributes, ****wit. Since you chose to be obtuse, "REPORT" adds no further clarification to "SMART". Everyone can see you are lying thru your teeth, as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. You didn't determine how to retrieve the firmware string. Everyone can see you are lying thru your teeth, as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. I did that despite your vague response. Nothing vague about what I said, ****wit. Yes, you can use the drive maker's own utility to get that info since they know how to retrieve the firmware string. And any even halfway decent SMART report includes it too. Not if it only retrieve the S.M.A.R.T. data. Can't think of any that do just that, ****wit. The device's firmware screen is not part of the S.M.A.R.T. specifiction. Never said it was, ****wit. The firmware string was retrievable on devices that provided it before S.M.A.R.T. even showed up. Irrelevant to whether it is normally shown in a SMART REPORT, ****wit. I was hoping there were 3rd party utilities that would extract the hardware ID from the device's firmware. There are, they are called SMART utes. Doesn't require a utility to read S.M.A.R.T. data Never said it did, ****wit. (which does not identify the device). Never said it did, ****wit. Does require a utility that reads the firmware string whether it also includes S.M.A.R.T. data or not. Duh. You got caught claiming S.M.A.R.T. provides device identification Everyone can see you are lying thru your teeth, as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. and now you're trying to cover your for your mistake. There is no mistake, ****wit child. Couldn't find anything that said getting S.M.A.R.T. data would divulge the hardware ID (which contains maker and model) You could have got real radical and had a look at the SMART reports that are all over the web and seen the drive manufacturer and model listed on almost all of those. S.M.A.R.T. has no attributes to report the device identification. Never said it did, ****wit child. Any of those so-called reports are the utilities retrieving MORE than just the S.M.A.R.T. attributes. You quite sure you ain't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wit children, ****wit child ? Then I found: http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/...ID-MainBoard-I http://www.soft.tahionic.com/downloa...code/idex.html So, yep, you have to query the devices to get their hardware ID string and other device attributes. Not all utilities to retrieve the firmware string parse out all values. I can't think of a SMART ute that doesn't include the drive's manufacturer and drive model number at the top of the SMART report. Ah, so now you're finally admitting that S.M.A.R.T. does not provide device identification Never said that SMART does, ****wit child. and these utilities have to retrieve MORE than just the S.M.A.R.T. attributes. You quite sure you ain't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wit children, ****wit child ? It also means you've admitted it is not required Admitting nothing, ****wit child. and ineffective to retrieve S.M.A.R.T. attributes Everyone can see you are lying thru your teeth, as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. when the intent is to identify the device. HD Sentinel gives me most S.M.A.R.T. data and also parses more out of the firmware string: VID, PID, hard disk model ID (maker+model), firmware version, and serial number. So as I said, there is no need to open the case to work out what drive is being used in a particular external hard drive. Yes, you explained that so well in your prior responses that no further research was required to figure out what the **** you meant. You're that stupid ? Your problem as always, ****wit child. Plus you were wrong since S.M.A.R.T. does not identify the device. Never said it did, ****wit child. So I'm not wrong. S.M.A.R.T. and USB enumeration doesn't provide any of the ID info. But almost all SMART reports do in fact have the drive manufacturer and model listed at the top of the SMART report, presumably because it can be handy to see which drive the report is about. So unlike your original claim that S.M.A.R.T. identifies the device, Everyone can see you are lying thru your teeth, as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. I have to instead use a program that retrieves the firmware string. And ALL the SMART utes that aren't steaming turds that don't bother to specify which drive the report belongs to do that, ****wit child. That utility may include S.M.A.R.T. data but it is not required You quite sure you ain't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wit children, ****wit child ? nor relevant to identifying the device. You quite sure you ain't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wit children, ****wit child ? Lots of utilities do more than one thing. But SMART utes normally do identify the drive manufacturer and model, ****wit child. Some only do one thing: what you want them to do and only that. You quite sure you ain't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wit children, ****wit child ? I had forgotten that I installed HD Sentinel. I have found other tools, like those above, that will poll the devices to query for their firmware string(s) to parse out values, like hardware ID. So, like I said, there is no need to open the case to see what drive is used in a particular external hard drive. And, so, unlike you said, S.M.A.R.T. does not identify the device. Never said it did, ****wit child. |
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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind VanguardLH wrote Perhaps but I still find he sometimes prods me to do the research that I should've done beforehand if for anything to prove him wrong. Everyone can see you are lying thru your teeth on that last, as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. |
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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
On 9/15/2015 4:57 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ed Light wrote: Rod is a troll. Just filter him out. I'd say. Perhaps but I still find he sometimes prods me to do the research that I should've done beforehand if for anything to prove him wrong. Happy mindf*** !! -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Iraq Veterans Against the War and Related: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org http://antiwar.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 1:58:37 PM UTC-7, Mark Perkins wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:27:23 +0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: I've found a few instances where with an external drive, the drive itself had a USB interface instead of SATA. (Don't know how common that is but I have seen it.) I've never heard of such a beast. If you run across an example, please post a link. Thanks. Here's a photo of a WD 2TB internal 2.5" hard drive that's native USB 3.0: http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...tb-inside2.jpg Apparently all 3.5" external hard drives sold now still contain SATA drives in their enclosures, but it seems that around 2010 or 2011, portable externals quit being shipped with SATA 2.5" drives inside them. The Arab language site Reepair.net had a discussion thread in English (not Google translated), "How to-usb to sata harddisk" that showed how to take a USB-only WD 2.5" drive from an external and convert it back to SATA by removing some coupling capacitors and soldering wires to the SATA signal points elsewhere on the circuit board. That drive was actually SATA but had a SATA-USB bridge chip onboard, and the modification bypassed the latter chip. I don't know if newer USB-only drives have direct USB electronics instead of such a bridge chip. Here are the photos from the modification article, which I found in late 2010: http://imgur.com/a/0W2Nl |
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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 3:04:35 AM UTC-7, VanguardLH wrote:
Rod Speed wrote: You don't void the warranty by checking what drive is in there Opening the enclosure for a pre-built external drive does not void the warranty? Some programs can tell you what's inside the box, provided its SATA-USB interface chip is supported by the program. HDDguru.com has several, including HDDscan. Some cases are designed to snap together. Prying the half shells apart often breaks off a tang or lip which is a telltale sign of opening the case. Some put stickers on. If the seal is broke, removed, defaced, altered, tampered, or rendered unintelligble then warranty is voided. Apparently manufacturers are much more likely to complain about stickers than snaps because sticker tampering is easier to notice (even if you use a heat gun while peeling back the sticker to prevent striations), and manufacturers break snaps themselves because they open the enclosures quickly. But if you're worried about any broken snaps rattling around inside, shake them out of the enclosure so they fall out. There are lots of videos showing how to open enclosures, but they'e not all good, especially those that tell you to use a screwdriver to pry open snaps. It's better to use something thin and with no sharp edges, like a dull smooth knife, guitar pick, obsolete credit card, or a plastic tool made especially for opening phones. |
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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
Here's a photo of a WD 2TB internal 2.5" hard drive that's native USB 3.0: http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...tb-inside2.jpg So that's how they make those tiny little portables. Neat! I'm glad I didn't pry mine apart to get the HD out to put on SATA for a run through wdidle, I think it is, that turns off the parking after a few seconds feature. It can wear out the drive under the wrong kind of activity -- too much parking. -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Iraq Veterans Against the War and Related: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org http://antiwar.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:50:53 -0500, Mark Perkins
wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:58:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 1:58:37 PM UTC-7, Mark Perkins wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:27:23 +0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: I've found a few instances where with an external drive, the drive itself had a USB interface instead of SATA. (Don't know how common that is but I have seen it.) I've never heard of such a beast. If you run across an example, please post a link. Thanks. Here's a photo of a WD 2TB internal 2.5" hard drive that's native USB 3.0: http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...tb-inside2.jpg The picture show a USB connector on the printed circuit board attached to the frame that contains the platters. Due to the passage of time since USB 3 became available, it is likely that the USB interface is the direct interface to the rest of the drive, it is possible that SATA actually the direct interface and it converted to USB on the board. (For example, it might be possible to break connections to the SATA to USB converter and wire up an SATA connection. Perhaps that wouldn't work because of stray capacitance, etc., but the "signal names" on the simulation of the device would be the SATA signals.) Thanks, that's very interesting! It's a first for me. |
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Why are external drives cheaper than internal?
On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 7:46:37 AM UTC-7, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
How come Seagate -- to name just one manufacturer -- can sell an external 6TB drive in a case with a USB 3.0 adapter and a cable for less than they sell any 6TB internal drive? reliability? |
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