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Ignorant, anti-Linux trolls SUCK
Robert Myers wrote:
On Mar 18, 11:06 am, chrisv wrote: Robert Myers wrote: Linux really isn't a suitable general-purpose desktop system, Err... For large segments of the market, it certainly is. And I don't mean the "geek" segment. I mean those who want secure PC functionality for the Internet and document handling. Many people would be better off doing some and perhaps the most common tasks from Linux. Many people would be better off it they *had* to use Linux all the time. Neither of those statements makes Linux suitable as a general purpose desktop operating system. So how do you define a general purpose desktop operating system? rgds \SK -- "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" -- L. Lang -- http://www.tajga.org -- (some photos from my travels) |
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Dvorak Likes Linux
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:16:34 -0700 (PDT)) it happened YKhan wrote in : On Mar 15, 2:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote: Totally wrong. People buy digital cameras, they want to access those from the laptop, maybe edit the video on it too. Same for audio devices, headphones via USB, cardreaders for other formats= , Install new codecs, new webbrowser versions (security upgrades appear every day), other adaptors... There is no limit. My advice to those, unless you are a nerd and are good in C and a few oth= er computer languages, and have thousands of hours time, do NOT but a Linux version, buy Xp. Most digital cameras these days simply act as standard USB mass storage devices. No problem. Editing them isn't a problem either. Yousuf Khan Wrong again. Although my Canon A470 digital camera (for example) can be read as USB mass device, the following applies: You cannot use any of the Canon utilities that come with the camera as it has no Linux support. I've yot to find camera specific bundled software which is not total crap. And there usually is not camera specific stuff like Acrobat Reader... Canon still makes the best cameras, so why settle for an inferior product. Simply use good software with that good camera, not some bundled crap. You cannot even register your camera online with Canon, as that requires their win software package. [...] We have to see the reality of things, Linux is hopeless for vendors. And it is hopless for the user who just wants to actually do things like editing a video, something that comes standard with Xp and Mac to I think. What comes standard is crap. What is not crap costs $$$ And that are only a _few_ of the minus points of Linux. And I should know, I have been using it since version .98, written almost every application for it you can imagine, including video processing, _myself_, so take it from an expert. Do I have to write the f*cking editor too? Do I have to write EVERYTHING I need? If that is your idea of user friendly go use Linux. Nonsense. There are good editors for it, there are picture processing soft for it, there is video editing software for it as well etc. -- "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" -- L. Lang -- http://www.tajga.org -- (some photos from my travels) |
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Dvorak Likes Linux
On a sunny day (Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:19:24 +0100) it happened Sebastian
Kaliszewski wrote in : Wrong again. Although my Canon A470 digital camera (for example) can be read as USB mass device, the following applies: You cannot use any of the Canon utilities that come with the camera as it has no Linux support. I've yot to find camera specific bundled software which is not total crap. And there usually is not camera specific stuff like Acrobat Reader... As far as I have been able to try on other win systems, the soft that comes with stuff I buy is not bad at all, one more reason to want it to run. The windows scanner software that came with the Canon scanner I have, is excellent, if not simply amazing, it came with a character recognition suite too. There is a lot more. No driver for that scanner in Linux as of last time I looked, forget about useful programs for it. Canon still makes the best cameras, so why settle for an inferior product. Simply use good software with that good camera, not some bundled crap. You seem to have some negative experiences with bundled software, my experience is that it does most of what I need. For example I have several MS windows examples of video editing suits that came with cameras and other related video stuff. For free, Expensive if you needed to buy them separately. You cannot even register your camera online with Canon, as that requires their win software package. [...] We have to see the reality of things, Linux is hopeless for vendors. And it is hopless for the user who just wants to actually do things like editing a video, something that comes standard with Xp and Mac to I think. What comes standard is crap. What is not crap costs $$$ That is not correct. And that are only a _few_ of the minus points of Linux. And I should know, I have been using it since version .98, written almost every application for it you can imagine, including video processing, _myself_, so take it from an expert. Do I have to write the f*cking editor too? Do I have to write EVERYTHING I need? If that is your idea of user friendly go use Linux. Nonsense. There are good editors for it, there are picture processing soft for it, there is video editing software for it as well etc. Yes, I WROTE some of the video processing software, http://panteltje.com/panteltje/subtitles/index.html I also contributed to the multi-audio channel DVD burning software in Linux, it was not there when I needed it, proves my point. http://panteltje.com/panteltje/dvd/index.html If I had not done the multi-channel audio, then dvdauthor would still have only one channel likely. Then I did the subtitle software, the xvt videotext and digital satellite video stream processing too. Because I needed it and it did not exists. http://panteltje.com/panteltje/satellite/index.html I also did multimux, as I needed to combine multi channel audio, and it did not exist, http://panteltje.com/panteltje/dvd/multimux-0.2.5.2.tgz I wrote a subtitle editor xste, because it did not exist in Linux, and many many more program, because it did not exist in Linux. And still to this day, anytime I buy a gadget in Linux it does not have support, no drivers,, and the things you need do not exists. The module system as used in the kernel makes it impossible to write universal binary solutions, the Linux folks have gone nuts and use modules for everything even for printing 'Hello world'. I just did read a tutorial for the new kernel module API that uses printing 'Hello world' as an example. Forgetting that that should be done in user-space, and not explaining that you should only use modules if nothing else goes, so the requirements for that, it is a mess. and also the reluctance of some kernel developers to accept closed source (binary) solutions from vendors, scares vendors way. -- "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" -- L. Lang I want to day: Do not ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidly. And that goes for Linux. Have you seen the new Linux logo? As of today it is the ugliest thing .. I have a T-shirt with the old one, will stay way clear of this. In fact I ordered an OEM version of windows Xp today, just received an email it is in the mail. An next I will install this on some harddisk, and download that free Visual C compiler from the MS site. Not that I do not know how to use it, used it at my job :-) And then we will see. I have hundreds of little programs here at home I want to try on that Xp, some games too. Linux, it is all over. I will use it where it is convenient, but for the masses it is not. I have it in my Linksys router, rewrote that so it can be used as webserver from an SDcard, very useful for embedded. MIPS processor. http://panteltje.com/panteltje/wap54...html#wapserver -- http://www.tajga.org -- (some photos from my travels) |
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Ignorant, anti-Linux trolls SUCK
On Mar 18, 3:12*pm, Sebastian Kaliszewski
wrote: Robert Myers wrote: On Mar 18, 11:06 am, chrisv wrote: Robert Myers wrote: Linux really isn't a suitable general-purpose desktop system, Err... *For large segments of the market, it certainly is. *And I don't mean the "geek" segment. *I mean those who want secure PC functionality for the Internet and document handling. Many people would be better off doing some and perhaps the most common tasks from Linux. *Many people would be better off it they *had* to use Linux all the time. *Neither of those statements makes Linux suitable as a general purpose desktop operating system. So how do you define a general purpose desktop operating system? It doesn't matter very much how I define a general purpose desktop operating system. It's how the market that defines it that matters. If you're willing and able to cope with just *one* operating system, what will it be? For most end users, Linux is not currently a plausible answer to that question. There will always be something for which you need or wish you had a commercial OS. It's worth remembering that almost no one foresaw the attack of the killer micros. I flatter myself that I saw it as soon as I had used Visi-Calc on an Apple II. Whatever it is that corresponds to Visi- Calc on an Apple II, I haven't seen it yet. Perhaps I'm just getting old. The rules could change any time. Wintel is no more immortal than anything else. Well, there's COBOL and Fortran. Robert. |
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Ignorant, anti-Linux trolls SUCK
Robert Myers wrote:
chrisv wrote: Robert Myers wrote: Linux really isn't a suitable general-purpose desktop system, Err... *For large segments of the market, it certainly is. *And I don't mean the "geek" segment. *I mean those who want secure PC functionality for the Internet and document handling. Many people would be better off doing some and perhaps the most common tasks from Linux. Many people would be better off it they *had* to use Linux all the time. Neither of those statements makes Linux suitable as a general purpose desktop operating system. You have no idea how unintentionally funny you are being. *On the other hand, if you need special Windows-only apps like Quicken or Zombie Slaughter III, you might want to stay with Windows. and I can't imagine that it ever will be. * Your imagination is quite limited. You have no idea how unintentionally funny you are being. Two of these groups are hardware groups, so an extended tussle over windows vs. linux is really off-topic. Yet you had to add your two cents anyway, didn't you? |
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Ignorant, anti-Linux trolls SUCK
Robert Myers wrote:
It doesn't matter very much how I define a general purpose desktop operating system. It's how the market that defines it that matters. But you're pulling the market's definition right out of your rear end, troll. If you're willing and able to cope with just *one* operating system, what will it be? For most end users, Linux is not currently a plausible answer to that question. Just because "most" people would not choose a product, does not mean that it's not "suitable". That's like saying a Corvette isn't suitable transportation, because, if people had to "cope with just *one*" vehicle, most would choose something else. |
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Ignorant, anti-Linux trolls SUCK
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips chrisv wrote:
Robert Myers wrote: It doesn't matter very much how I define a general purpose desktop operating system. It's how the market that defines it that matters. Just because "most" people would not choose a product, does not mean that it's not "suitable". That's like saying a Corvette isn't suitable transportation, because, if people had to "cope with just *one*" vehicle, most would choose something else. A Corvette is not general purpose transportation, though. It's a good sports car, and an adequate (but somewhat less than fuel efficient) 1-2 person commuter, and an adequate (but somewhat less than fuel efficient) way to get two people and their golf bags to a golf game. Being a 2-door, 2-seater pretty much precludes being a general purpose car. OTOH, Linux isn't a Corvette, at least in most distributions. It's more like a regular sedan with a manual transmission and a diesel engine. Most people (in the US; I realize diesels are more popular elsewhere) are going to find those latter two as limitations, but most people can get used to them, and for those who are used to them, neither one limits the general utility, and both have the potential for significantly improving the performance. -- Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/ preferred email | is "nate" at the | "I do have a cause, though. It's obscenity. I'm posting domain | for it." |
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Dvorak Likes Linux
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Sebastian Kaliszewski wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote: Although my Canon A470 digital camera (for example) can be read as USB mass device, the following applies: You cannot use any of the Canon utilities that come with the camera as it has no Linux support. I've yot to find camera specific bundled software which is not total crap. Digital Photo Pro which comes with the EOS Cameras for doing RAW conversions isn't crap. It's not as good as Adobe's Camera Raw plugin for Photoshop, but it's significantly better than any of the free alternatives. Then again, I'm fairly sure it runs under Wine or at least Crossover, if you absolutely have to use it. Canon still makes the best cameras, so why settle for an inferior product. Simply use good software with that good camera, not some bundled crap. Which doesn't require a driver; popping the card out and putting it into a card reader is much quicker. Even if you want to read it directly, it looks like it will work with Gphoto2. -- Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/ preferred email | is "nate" at the | "I do have a cause, though. It's obscenity. I'm posting domain | for it." |
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Dvorak Likes Linux
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Jan Panteltje wrote:
As far as I have been able to try on other win systems, the soft that comes with stuff I buy is not bad at all, one more reason to want it to run. The windows scanner software that came with the Canon scanner I have, is excellent, if not simply amazing, it came with a character recognition suite too. There is a lot more. No driver for that scanner in Linux as of last time I looked, forget about useful programs for it. Did you even try SANE? Their support for recent Canon scanners isn't super, but it's not awful: http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl?bus=usb Several distros include this OOTB. For that matter, there are a couple of free/open source OCR packages. -- Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/ preferred email | is "nate" at the | "I do have a cause, though. It's obscenity. I'm posting domain | for it." |
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