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  #11  
Old March 15th 09, 06:06 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Robert Myers
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On Mar 14, 6:15*pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:


Well, why bother.


You might bother if you grasped that existing OS's have got it all
wrong. Or, you might not bother if you grasped that existing OS's and
existing ISA's have one another in a death grip.

But I don't don't think you grasp those things, and I'm sure you will
think I am patronizing you for saying so.

Why bother, indeed? Why bother with a different OS or a different ISA
unless you've got something really different on your mind?

Robert.
  #12  
Old March 15th 09, 12:28 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Jan Panteltje
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On a sunny day (Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:06:01 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Robert
Myers wrote in
:

On Mar 14, 6:15*pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:


Well, why bother.


You might bother if you grasped that existing OS's have got it all
wrong. Or, you might not bother if you grasped that existing OS's and
existing ISA's have one another in a death grip.

But I don't don't think you grasp those things, and I'm sure you will
think I am patronizing you for saying so.

Why bother, indeed? Why bother with a different OS or a different ISA
unless you've got something really different on your mind?

Robert.


I have to confirm that what others have sort of suggested, that you suck, do not
really know anything about the subject, never wrote an OS, are here
just to vent the over-pressure valve on your brain that ran hot
trying to understand the issues.

I wrote his newsreader too: NewsFleX: see headers. Or he
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/index.html

I designed the filters, they work exceptionally well.
I will now add some of your text to the filter:
done
For the others: I you are replying to this person I will not see your
reply either.. or if you mention him, any reference will do.
Never to appear again on my screen.
Good filter job, I must say :-)

Your reply was funny though, but it is extremely distracting, no intelligent
conversation can come from it, nothing to learn, and time is the most valuable
thing we have.
You will not change, your neural pathways must have been frozen in the last ice age or thereabout...

So much for that.

  #13  
Old March 15th 09, 01:58 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Jack
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Robert Myers wrote:
: On Mar 14, 6:15 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
:
::
:: Well, why bother.
::
:
: You might bother if you grasped that existing OS's have got it all
: wrong. Or, you might not bother if you grasped that existing OS's
: and existing ISA's have one another in a death grip.
:
: But I don't don't think you grasp those things, and I'm sure you
: will think I am patronizing you for saying so.

You are SUCH a freaking bag of hot air....what an asshole. I've been
reading Jan Pantelje's posts for years (at least since '98 or so) in various
NG's. I've also had the displeasure of following your arcane reasoning in a
multitude of "posts de mierda)" over the years...sometimes I think your
alias is "Ron Reaugh" in place of "R. Myers." I wish you would just
s.t.f.u. because you're clearly out of your league here. LOL!

J.


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Old March 15th 09, 05:28 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Robert Myers
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On Mar 15, 8:58*am, "Jack" wrote:
Robert Myers wrote:

: On Mar 14, 6:15 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
:
::
:: Well, why bother.
::
:
: You might bother if you grasped that existing OS's have got it all
: wrong. *Or, you might not bother if you grasped that existing OS's
: and existing ISA's have one another in a death grip.
:
: But I don't don't think you grasp those things, and I'm sure you
: will think I am patronizing you for saying so.

You are SUCH a freaking bag of hot air....what an asshole. *I've been
reading Jan Pantelje's posts for years (at least since '98 or so) in various
NG's. *I've also had the displeasure of following your arcane reasoning in a
multitude of "posts de mierda)" over the years...sometimes I think your
alias is "Ron Reaugh" in place of "R. Myers." *I wish you would just
s.t.f.u. because you're clearly out of your league here. *LOL!


It's pretty simple. If someone says things that are of no value to
you, you ignore them.

Here, you are engaged in a different activity, which is defamation.
There's nothing subtle about it. You are directly attacking my
character, my personality, my knowledge, and my intelligence. Why you
feel the need to do that or why you would think it an appropriate
thing to do is beyond my imagining.

There is no technical content to this conversation at all. It's about
social realities: how you evaluate others, how you think others will
evaluate you, and what you think you can get away with in a social
setting. What you think you can get away with is repulsive.

I don't have any absolute technique for evaluating your intelligence
or anyone else's. You may be very smart in ways that are utterly
beyond my comprehension, but it works both ways. If you can't
understand how I think or how I express myself, it doesn't mean that
I'm stupid or any other negative quality you might wish to attach to
me.

The fact that you think you are qualified as an evaluator of absolute
intelligence says a lot to me about who I think you are and what I
think I could and could not successfully communicate to you.

I've done enough coding to know that I'm much better at some tasks
than at others. Writing an OS would not be a good use of my time.

I worded something in a way so that you and Jan and perhaps others
took it in a way that I did not intend. You and Jan have adopted a
tone of such a nature that it is impossible to try to fix it.

Not everyone thinks the same way or has the same ideas at the same
time. That's all I meant by "if you grasped."

If you want to object to something technical that I've said, feel
free. If you want to attack my personality, it isn't exactly true
that there is nothing I can do to stop you, but I'm not going to waste
my time.

Robert.
  #15  
Old March 15th 09, 06:25 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Yousuf Khan
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Sylvia Else wrote:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2342869,00.asp


"You should also note that almost all of the newest hardware coming out
has Linux support."

I think that's overstating it, and figuring out whether the hardware one
intends to buy is supported can be a tortuous process. Life is not made
any easier by the fact that some manufacturers will completely change
the design of a board and just change the revision number.

Sylvia.


Which is why I think getting a linux laptop pre-configured with all of
the right hardware is probably the way things are going to go. The OEM
would include only hardware that had drivers in Linux already. Despite
Windows' true claim to be the best supported OS in terms of drivers,
most people rarely add things to Windows beyond simple USB storage
devices. If you get a laptop which includes bluetooth, a webcam,
built-in, you probably never need to add anything else into it. People
will use that as is, till it's time to replace the laptop.

Yousuf Khan
  #16  
Old March 15th 09, 07:23 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Jan Panteltje
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On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:25:13 -0400) it happened Yousuf Khan
wrote in :

Sylvia Else wrote:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2342869,00.asp


"You should also note that almost all of the newest hardware coming out
has Linux support."

I think that's overstating it, and figuring out whether the hardware one
intends to buy is supported can be a tortuous process. Life is not made
any easier by the fact that some manufacturers will completely change
the design of a board and just change the revision number.

Sylvia.


Which is why I think getting a linux laptop pre-configured with all of
the right hardware is probably the way things are going to go. The OEM
would include only hardware that had drivers in Linux already. Despite
Windows' true claim to be the best supported OS in terms of drivers,
most people rarely add things to Windows beyond simple USB storage
devices. If you get a laptop which includes bluetooth, a webcam,
built-in, you probably never need to add anything else into it. People
will use that as is, till it's time to replace the laptop.

Yousuf Khan


Totally wrong.
People buy digital cameras, they want to access those from the laptop,
maybe edit the video on it too.
Same for audio devices, headphones via USB, cardreaders for other formats,
Install new codecs, new webbrowser versions (security upgrades appear
every day), other adaptors...
There is no limit.
My advice to those, unless you are a nerd and are good in C and a few other
computer languages, and have thousands of hours time,
do NOT but a Linux version, buy Xp.
  #17  
Old March 16th 09, 06:16 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
YKhan
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On Mar 15, 2:23*pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Totally wrong.
People buy digital cameras, they want to access those from the laptop,
maybe edit the video on it too.
Same for audio devices, headphones via USB, cardreaders for other formats,
Install new codecs, new webbrowser versions (security upgrades appear
every day), other adaptors...
There is no limit.
My advice to those, unless you are a nerd and are good in C and a few other
computer languages, and have thousands of hours time,
* * * * * * do NOT but a Linux version, buy Xp.


Most digital cameras these days simply act as standard USB mass
storage devices. No problem. Editing them isn't a problem either.

Yousuf Khan
  #18  
Old March 16th 09, 09:55 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Jack
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Robert Myers wrote:
: On Mar 15, 8:58 am, "Jack" wrote:
:: Robert Myers wrote:

snip

: Not everyone thinks the same way or has the same ideas at the same
: time. That's all I meant by "if you grasped."

Oh, PA-LEASE!!
:
: If you want to object to something technical that I've said, feel
: free. If you want to attack my personality, it isn't exactly true
: that there is nothing I can do to stop you, but I'm not going to
: waste my time.

LOL! Pot...kettle...black.


  #19  
Old March 16th 09, 10:08 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Jack
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
:: On a sunny day (Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:06:20 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
snip

:: Long time ago I wrote my own CP/M clone..
:: Without ever having [had] access to a CP/M system.
:: Only had some floppies with CP/M source files from the CP/M user
:: group, so I could test.
:: Of course I designed the hardware too (Z80 based), it is actually
:: all on the net: http://panteltje.com/panteltje/z80/index.html

Ah, good ole Zilog (Cupertino, CA). Worked for them while attending SJSU
from 1981-1982. Now THAT company was different! I have some rather fond
(if not faded) memories working as the engineering "go-between" for Zilog
and LLNL (Lawrence Livermore). Nothing ever came of it, however. :-(
Moved on for a one-year stint over at IBM (Almaden Research Center) which,
after working at Zilog, turned me into a complete schizoid. But I
digress....

Sorry for the OT reply but the mere mention of Zilog sort of brings tears to
my eyes. ;-)

J.


  #20  
Old March 16th 09, 12:24 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.intel
Jan Panteltje
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On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:16:34 -0700 (PDT)) it happened YKhan
wrote in
:

On Mar 15, 2:23*pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Totally wrong.
People buy digital cameras, they want to access those from the laptop,
maybe edit the video on it too.
Same for audio devices, headphones via USB, cardreaders for other formats=

,
Install new codecs, new webbrowser versions (security upgrades appear
every day), other adaptors...
There is no limit.
My advice to those, unless you are a nerd and are good in C and a few oth=

er
computer languages, and have thousands of hours time,
* * * * * * do NOT but a Linux version, buy Xp.


Most digital cameras these days simply act as standard USB mass
storage devices. No problem. Editing them isn't a problem either.

Yousuf Khan


Wrong again.
Although my Canon A470 digital camera (for example) can be read as USB mass device, the following applies:
You cannot use any of the Canon utilities that come with the camera as it has no Linux support.
Canon still makes the best cameras, so why settle for an inferior product.
You cannot even register your camera online with Canon, as that requires their win software package.

Now, as a second point, tell me where can I find the video editor for the eeePC
that will edit the video I shoot with that camera, or my Mustek mpge4 camera,
or some of the other ones I have?
And that is only the camera.
My Canon scanner the same story.
In fact, everything you buy that has no Linux drivers, and even if it _has_ Linux drivers,
there is no soft to use with it.

So again, if you want functionality, buy Xp (and if you are an Apple user you should be OK
for video too in many cases).

And now you will tell me where to simply download the soft so I can use my Nokia headset with the eeePC in Skype.
And I do not mean install and compile 100 packages, as there is 1) no space
for all sources, and 2) then it still does not work, and 3) I have tried and it is a mess.

We have to see the reality of things, Linux is hopeless for vendors.
And it is hopless for the user who just wants to actually do things like editing a video,
something that comes standard with Xp and Mac to I think.
And that are only a _few_ of the minus points of Linux.

And I should know, I have been using it since version .98, written almost every application for it
you can imagine, including video processing, _myself_, so take it from an expert.

Do I have to write the f*cking editor too?
Do I have to write EVERYTHING I need?
If that is your idea of user friendly go use Linux.


 




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