bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues
with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power,
most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?

bill

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage willbill wrote:
bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues
with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power,
most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?

SATA connectors require precise manufacturing in order to
work well. Many cheaper ones just have too high tolerances.
Buy quality and you should be fine.

Arno

On Apr 13, 12:22 pm, willbill wrote:
bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues
with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power,
most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?

bill

I use SATA drives - Have a lot of experience with them. I have seen
some issues with them being fragile. It's critical that the cable be
exactly straight coming out of the drive. I have seen quite a few
broken cable ends where the side (edge) of the connector is broken.
That weakens the connector so the top and bottom spread and the spring
tension if the pins won't make adequate contact with the gold on the
drive PCB. Have only seen one case where the cable was bad without any
visual damage. I believe that case was a result of the cable being
stressed at 90 degrees over too short a radius.

Overall, I like SATA cables. They don't interfere with the airflow in
the chassis (as do the PATA cables.

willbill wrote:
bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues
with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power,
most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?


Yes, I think there is a special place in hell for the idiot who designed
the SATA connectors on the disk. I've given up, and when I build a PC I
install a drive housing that occupies 3x5.25" bays and gives me four hot
plug SATA bugs. Because of the way this is designed I've not had a
single problem with power or drive connectors since doing this. The one
I use is:


http://www.satadrives.com/sadrcafor4sa.html

--
Nik Simpson

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nik Simpson wrote:
willbill wrote:
bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues
with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power,
most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?


Yes, I think there is a special place in hell for the idiot who designed
the SATA connectors on the disk. I've given up, and when I build a PC I
install a drive housing that occupies 3x5.25" bays and gives me four hot
plug SATA bugs. Because of the way this is designed I've not had a
single problem with power or drive connectors since doing this. The one
I use is:


http://www.satadrives.com/sadrcafor4sa.html

Hmm. I hope they improved their manufacturing. I had two of
these with a PCB manufaactured shoddily enough, that I got CRC
errors on some of the disks. These errors were severe
enough that disks dropped out of the RAID they were in and
vanished vcompletely when connecting them directly. Took
me a week to debug and then I just threw this trash out.

I was also quite unimpressed with the cooling.

Arno

Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nik Simpson wrote:
willbill wrote:
bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues
with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power,
most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?


Yes, I think there is a special place in hell for the idiot who designed
the SATA connectors on the disk. I've given up, and when I build a PC I
install a drive housing that occupies 3x5.25" bays and gives me four hot
plug SATA bugs. Because of the way this is designed I've not had a
single problem with power or drive connectors since doing this. The one
I use is:


http://www.satadrives.com/sadrcafor4sa.html

Hmm. I hope they improved their manufacturing. I had two of
these with a PCB manufaactured shoddily enough, that I got CRC
errors on some of the disks. These errors were severe
enough that disks dropped out of the RAID they were in and
vanished vcompletely when connecting them directly. Took
me a week to debug and then I just threw this trash out.

I was also quite unimpressed with the cooling.

Arno


I've got one that's been going about a year now, the other is more
recent. So far I've not had any problems with them. But there are other
products out there, maybe there are some better ones.

--
Nik Simpson

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nik Simpson wrote:
Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nik Simpson wrote:
willbill wrote:
bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues
with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power,
most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?


Yes, I think there is a special place in hell for the idiot who designed
the SATA connectors on the disk. I've given up, and when I build a PC I
install a drive housing that occupies 3x5.25" bays and gives me four hot
plug SATA bugs. Because of the way this is designed I've not had a
single problem with power or drive connectors since doing this. The one
I use is:


http://www.satadrives.com/sadrcafor4sa.html

Hmm. I hope they improved their manufacturing. I had two of
these with a PCB manufaactured shoddily enough, that I got CRC
errors on some of the disks. These errors were severe
enough that disks dropped out of the RAID they were in and
vanished vcompletely when connecting them directly. Took
me a week to debug and then I just threw this trash out.

I was also quite unimpressed with the cooling.

Arno


I've got one that's been going about a year now, the other is more
recent. So far I've not had any problems with them. But there are other
products out there, maybe there are some better ones.

Maybe the just fixed that production quality issue.

Arno

"Arno Wagner" wrote in message
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nik Simpson wrote:
Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nik Simpson wrote:
willbill wrote:
bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power, most recently power

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?


Yes, I think there is a special place in hell for the idiot who designed
the SATA connectors on the disk. I've given up, and when I build a PC I
install a drive housing that occupies 3x5.25" bays and gives me four hot
plug SATA bugs. Because of the way this is designed I've not had a
single problem with power or drive connectors since doing this. The one
I use is:


http://www.satadrives.com/sadrcafor4sa.html

Hmm. I hope they improved their manufacturing. I had two of
these with a PCB manufaactured shoddily enough, that I got CRC
errors on some of the disks. These errors were severe
enough that disks dropped out of the RAID they were in and
vanished vcompletely when connecting them directly. Took
me a week to debug and then I just threw this trash out.

I was also quite unimpressed with the cooling.

Arno


I've got one that's been going about a year now, the other is more
recent. So far I've not had any problems with them. But there are other
products out there, maybe there are some better ones.

Maybe the just fixed that production quality issue.

Or maybe it just never existed.


Arno

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

Arno Wagner wrote:

http://www.satadrives.com/sadrcafor4sa.html


Hmm. I hope they improved their manufacturing. I had two of
these with a PCB manufaactured shoddily enough, that I got CRC
errors on some of the disks. These errors were severe
enough that disks dropped out of the RAID they were in and
vanished vcompletely when connecting them directly. Took
me a week to debug and then I just threw this trash out.

I was also quite unimpressed with the cooling.


If you really must use SATA you ought to try Supermicro chasis and
backplanes as they are the best on the market.

www.supermicro.com


Sadly, even these have problems occasionally. I have a few of the
Supermicro 5 drive units and I had to send back one of them. We did
have one SCA connector fail a few years ago too. As for SATA vs. SCSI,
of course there are instances when SCSI is the only way to go (15K
drives for instance) but more often than not it is too limiting to go
with SCSI. We couldn't do a lot of what we do if we had to pay SCSI
prices. SATA has proven to be very reliable (except for one array that
used Maxtor drives... that was a nightmare but no data was lost and it
had nothing to do with SATA, just Maxtor). With about 90 SATA drives in
operation over the last year, we have had zero downtime due to the RAID
arrays and only one array that needed to failover to a spare drive.
With about 20 SCSI drives we had two drives that failed in the last
year. To be fair, the SCSI drives are much older than the SATA drives.

"Nik Simpson" wrote in message
willbill wrote:
bloody SATA connectors (electrical)!

i've come across connection issues with my (admittedly limited) use
of SATA drives, both data and power, most recently power.

what an aggrevation!

are others seeing this?


Yes, I think there is a special place in hell for the idiot who designed
the SATA connectors on the disk.

How strange when below you just say they work utterly fine when used as intended.

I've given up, and when I build a PC I install a drive housing that occupies
3x5.25" bays and gives me four hot plug SATA bugs. Because of the way
this is designed I've not had a single problem with power or drive connectors
since doing this.

Gee, what a surprise: you are using them as intended.

The one I use is:


http://www.satadrives.com/sadrcafor4sa.html