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MCP73VE PC no Boot
Board has polymer caps.
I hope your DIMMs meet Intel expectations. When you start the system *test with one of your DIMMs first*. This will give an opportunity to evaluate what the motherboard thinks of the DIMM. Check whether the entire DIMM is registered when tested that way. I use nothing but 2GB DIMMs in mine from that era. I have 4x2GB config of DDR2 on an X48 chipset. Paul Thanks Paul for the advice. I found my Q9650 cooler fan $31.04 purchase from Amazon.com by looking at my credit card records. I cannot understand where the other records went. I used the tracking number search. This is where it gets weird. It was shipped from Sweden. Its arriving October 4 - 28. The MOBO from Hong Kong may arrive before it. Paul, The Intel CPU cooler fan arrived early, today. Postage mark said it came from Sweden. The customs declaration said it came from USA, perhaps its place of manufacture. Total declared value was $7.99. So from $31.04 there was huge mark up. That's why shipping was free. It is larger in diameter that what it replaced. On the copper plate contact with the Q9650 CPU there are three rubber strips (silicone?), I guess for shipping. I'll remove them when the GigaByte MOBO arrives. I saved the fan funnel for evacuating hot air out the side of the frame. It no longer fits. When the MOBO arrives, I can remove the rubber and maybe mount the funnel backward with glue (or duck tape?). It is for an ATX board, but the mount mechanism maybe better engineered. Instead of awkward screws this is like a push mechanism. It is protected for shipping (?) by plastic and I will work with it when the new MOBO arrives. Sorry, on further inspection the plastic maybe for attachment to the MOBO. One pin appears to be permanently depressed, maybe device is seconds. I need to discover if I can fix it. What this suggests is the cooler fan is meant for permanent attachment and is not meant for removal like the older screws enabled. Cheers, Norm Why |
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MCP73VE PC no Boot
Norm Why wrote:
Board has polymer caps. I hope your DIMMs meet Intel expectations. When you start the system *test with one of your DIMMs first*. This will give an opportunity to evaluate what the motherboard thinks of the DIMM. Check whether the entire DIMM is registered when tested that way. I use nothing but 2GB DIMMs in mine from that era. I have 4x2GB config of DDR2 on an X48 chipset. Paul Thanks Paul for the advice. I found my Q9650 cooler fan $31.04 purchase from Amazon.com by looking at my credit card records. I cannot understand where the other records went. I used the tracking number search. This is where it gets weird. It was shipped from Sweden. Its arriving October 4 - 28. The MOBO from Hong Kong may arrive before it. Paul, The Intel CPU cooler fan arrived early, today. Postage mark said it came from Sweden. The customs declaration said it came from USA, perhaps its place of manufacture. Total declared value was $7.99. So from $31.04 there was huge mark up. That's why shipping was free. It is larger in diameter that what it replaced. On the copper plate contact with the Q9650 CPU there are three rubber strips (silicone?), I guess for shipping. I'll remove them when the GigaByte MOBO arrives. I saved the fan funnel for evacuating hot air out the side of the frame. It no longer fits. When the MOBO arrives, I can remove the rubber and maybe mount the funnel backward with glue (or duck tape?). It is for an ATX board, but the mount mechanism maybe better engineered. Instead of awkward screws this is like a push mechanism. It is protected for shipping (?) by plastic and I will work with it when the new MOBO arrives. Sorry, on further inspection the plastic maybe for attachment to the MOBO. One pin appears to be permanently depressed, maybe device is seconds. I need to discover if I can fix it. What this suggests is the cooler fan is meant for permanent attachment and is not meant for removal like the older screws enabled. Cheers, Norm Why That sounds like what you got, is a "real Intel processor-in-box" cooler. Rather than a Coolermaster or an Arctic Cooling. On the bottom of those, in the copper area, is a black "phase change" material. it is a solid at 23C. When the heatsink is fitted in place, and the heatsink hits 55-60C, the black stuff melts and flows a tiny bit. It conforms to the blemishes, and the convex shape of the processor lid. (The processor lid is non-flat for a reason. The CPU is soldered with a low-temperature solder to the lid, and the lid is curved because it is "pre-stressed" as part of the whole setup. If you were to remove the lid by heating to a moderately high temp, the lid lets go with a "popping" sound :-) The pre-stressing competes with the heatsink downward loading.) The pins you're referring to, are Intel Push Pins. They have a slot screwdriver mark in the top. The screw driver mark is so your slot screwdriver can rotate the pin 90 degrees. This allows the pin to unlock. In the core of the push pin, are some plastic fingers with balls on the end. They expand to fill the space, and prevent the pin from moving backwards. This keeps the heatsink in place. For someone unfamiliar with a "standard" Intel heatsink, there is a video. Normally this video would trigger "Save As", but for some reason on my machine, Windows Media Player has decided to play it right away. Maybe a Linux VM could deal with this or something. About half-way through the video, they have the "removal" procedure, where a slot screwdriver is used to rotate the push pins. https://web.archive.org/web/2007*/ht...209_241209.wmv The file I got originally was 16,982,628 bytes. Paul |
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MCP73VE PC no Boot
"Paul" wrote
Norm Why wrote: Board has polymer caps. I hope your DIMMs meet Intel expectations. When you start the system *test with one of your DIMMs first*. This will give an opportunity to evaluate what the motherboard thinks of the DIMM. Check whether the entire DIMM is registered when tested that way. I use nothing but 2GB DIMMs in mine from that era. I have 4x2GB config of DDR2 on an X48 chipset. Paul Thanks Paul for the advice. I found my Q9650 cooler fan $31.04 purchase from Amazon.com by looking at my credit card records. I cannot understand where the other records went. I used the tracking number search. This is where it gets weird. It was shipped from Sweden. Its arriving October 4 - 28. The MOBO from Hong Kong may arrive before it. Paul, The Intel CPU cooler fan arrived early, today. Postage mark said it came from Sweden. The customs declaration said it came from USA, perhaps its place of manufacture. Total declared value was $7.99. So from $31.04 there was huge mark up. That's why shipping was free. It is larger in diameter that what it replaced. On the copper plate contact with the Q9650 CPU there are three rubber strips (silicone?), I guess for shipping. I'll remove them when the GigaByte MOBO arrives. I saved the fan funnel for evacuating hot air out the side of the frame. It no longer fits. When the MOBO arrives, I can remove the rubber and maybe mount the funnel backward with glue (or duck tape?). It is for an ATX board, but the mount mechanism maybe better engineered. Instead of awkward screws this is like a push mechanism. It is protected for shipping (?) by plastic and I will work with it when the new MOBO arrives. Sorry, on further inspection the plastic maybe for attachment to the MOBO. One pin appears to be permanently depressed, maybe device is seconds. I need to discover if I can fix it. What this suggests is the cooler fan is meant for permanent attachment and is not meant for removal like the older screws enabled. Cheers, Norm Why That sounds like what you got, is a "real Intel processor-in-box" cooler. Rather than a Coolermaster or an Arctic Cooling. On the bottom of those, in the copper area, is a black "phase change" material. it is a solid at 23C. When the heatsink is fitted in place, and the heatsink hits 55-60C, the black stuff melts and flows a tiny bit. It conforms to the blemishes, and the convex shape of the processor lid. (The processor lid is non-flat for a reason. The CPU is soldered with a low-temperature solder to the lid, and the lid is curved because it is "pre-stressed" as part of the whole setup. If you were to remove the lid by heating to a moderately high temp, the lid lets go with a "popping" sound :-) The pre-stressing competes with the heatsink downward loading.) The pins you're referring to, are Intel Push Pins. They have a slot screwdriver mark in the top. The screw driver mark is so your slot screwdriver can rotate the pin 90 degrees. This allows the pin to unlock. In the core of the push pin, are some plastic fingers with balls on the end. They expand to fill the space, and prevent the pin from moving backwards. This keeps the heatsink in place. For someone unfamiliar with a "standard" Intel heatsink, there is a video. Normally this video would trigger "Save As", but for some reason on my machine, Windows Media Player has decided to play it right away. Maybe a Linux VM could deal with this or something. About half-way through the video, they have the "removal" procedure, where a slot screwdriver is used to rotate the push pins. https://web.archive.org/web/2007*/ht...209_241209.wmv The file I got originally was 16,982,628 bytes. Paul Thanks Paul, I wish I could search web.archive.org for old software. A more recent Youtube Video can be found he How to install and remove LGA775 processors and fan-heatsinks | Intel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyKPsS8GX3I The ~310,000 hits reflects the popularity of 95W TDP Q6600 and Q9650 CPUs. I managed to get my Intel 95W fan-heatsink repaired so I canceled the RMA. I still await the Gigabyte MOBO from China. There is some information I am still lacking. A plastic funnel is used to direct CPU heat out the side of the PC case. Without it, heat accumulates inside the case and is directed outside by the PSU fan. That puts all components at risk and defeats the cooling of the Intel 95W fan-heatsink The new CPU cooler fan has a diameter greater than the old one. The old plastic (Price ~ $2.74) had barbed tabs at its bottom. The new Intel 95W fan-heatsink fan has metal barbed tabs on its top. Within the supply chain all old parts are stored for future sale. All I need is a part number. Intel did not answer my email question. Intel manufactured matching parts in equal number. If I get a part number or some other unique identifier, I can search the globe for an inexpensive plastic part that is compatible. Norm Why |
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MCP73VE PC no Boot
Norm Why wrote:
"Paul" wrote Norm Why wrote: Board has polymer caps. I hope your DIMMs meet Intel expectations. When you start the system *test with one of your DIMMs first*. This will give an opportunity to evaluate what the motherboard thinks of the DIMM. Check whether the entire DIMM is registered when tested that way. I use nothing but 2GB DIMMs in mine from that era. I have 4x2GB config of DDR2 on an X48 chipset. Paul Thanks Paul for the advice. I found my Q9650 cooler fan $31.04 purchase from Amazon.com by looking at my credit card records. I cannot understand where the other records went. I used the tracking number search. This is where it gets weird. It was shipped from Sweden. Its arriving October 4 - 28. The MOBO from Hong Kong may arrive before it. Paul, The Intel CPU cooler fan arrived early, today. Postage mark said it came from Sweden. The customs declaration said it came from USA, perhaps its place of manufacture. Total declared value was $7.99. So from $31.04 there was huge mark up. That's why shipping was free. It is larger in diameter that what it replaced. On the copper plate contact with the Q9650 CPU there are three rubber strips (silicone?), I guess for shipping. I'll remove them when the GigaByte MOBO arrives. I saved the fan funnel for evacuating hot air out the side of the frame. It no longer fits. When the MOBO arrives, I can remove the rubber and maybe mount the funnel backward with glue (or duck tape?). It is for an ATX board, but the mount mechanism maybe better engineered. Instead of awkward screws this is like a push mechanism. It is protected for shipping (?) by plastic and I will work with it when the new MOBO arrives. Sorry, on further inspection the plastic maybe for attachment to the MOBO. One pin appears to be permanently depressed, maybe device is seconds. I need to discover if I can fix it. What this suggests is the cooler fan is meant for permanent attachment and is not meant for removal like the older screws enabled. Cheers, Norm Why That sounds like what you got, is a "real Intel processor-in-box" cooler. Rather than a Coolermaster or an Arctic Cooling. On the bottom of those, in the copper area, is a black "phase change" material. it is a solid at 23C. When the heatsink is fitted in place, and the heatsink hits 55-60C, the black stuff melts and flows a tiny bit. It conforms to the blemishes, and the convex shape of the processor lid. (The processor lid is non-flat for a reason. The CPU is soldered with a low-temperature solder to the lid, and the lid is curved because it is "pre-stressed" as part of the whole setup. If you were to remove the lid by heating to a moderately high temp, the lid lets go with a "popping" sound :-) The pre-stressing competes with the heatsink downward loading.) The pins you're referring to, are Intel Push Pins. They have a slot screwdriver mark in the top. The screw driver mark is so your slot screwdriver can rotate the pin 90 degrees. This allows the pin to unlock. In the core of the push pin, are some plastic fingers with balls on the end. They expand to fill the space, and prevent the pin from moving backwards. This keeps the heatsink in place. For someone unfamiliar with a "standard" Intel heatsink, there is a video. Normally this video would trigger "Save As", but for some reason on my machine, Windows Media Player has decided to play it right away. Maybe a Linux VM could deal with this or something. About half-way through the video, they have the "removal" procedure, where a slot screwdriver is used to rotate the push pins. https://web.archive.org/web/2007*/ht...209_241209.wmv The file I got originally was 16,982,628 bytes. Paul Thanks Paul, I wish I could search web.archive.org for old software. A more recent Youtube Video can be found he How to install and remove LGA775 processors and fan-heatsinks | Intel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyKPsS8GX3I The ~310,000 hits reflects the popularity of 95W TDP Q6600 and Q9650 CPUs. I managed to get my Intel 95W fan-heatsink repaired so I canceled the RMA. I still await the Gigabyte MOBO from China. There is some information I am still lacking. A plastic funnel is used to direct CPU heat out the side of the PC case. Without it, heat accumulates inside the case and is directed outside by the PSU fan. That puts all components at risk and defeats the cooling of the Intel 95W fan-heatsink The new CPU cooler fan has a diameter greater than the old one. The old plastic (Price ~ $2.74) had barbed tabs at its bottom. The new Intel 95W fan-heatsink fan has metal barbed tabs on its top. Within the supply chain all old parts are stored for future sale. All I need is a part number. Intel did not answer my email question. Intel manufactured matching parts in equal number. If I get a part number or some other unique identifier, I can search the globe for an inexpensive plastic part that is compatible. Norm Why Frozencpu is the best site for all things heating/cooling. https://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g47...ml?id=hDDNkWty They have a few "fan ducts" listed. https://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g47...cts-Page1.html I don't know if those will work out for you or not. The CPU heatsink could be a "blow down" type, in which case a side duct is an *intake*. If you instead arrange the fan to "blow upwards", sometimes the peripheral cooling of VCore components isn't as good when done that way. As the cooling designer, your job is to analyze how well the individual components work, then decide what overall case cooling strategy is best. I've never used a duct on anything I've assembled here. I just adjust front to back airflow to suit the heat load. For example, on the Test Machine with the 156W processor, first I tested a 110CFM fan on the back of the computer (to flush out the cloud of warm air), and discovered after a few months, that I could drop down to the next fan size and have a quieter computer as a result, without temperatures getting too high inside the computer case. The original fan was 37.5mm thick, which is how you get additional performance from the fans. The fan I have in there now, is a regular 25mm thick fan as the replacement. Dell likes to do ducted cooling on their products, but by doing so, it's very difficult to change coolers if you need to do that, as the duct is unlikely to fit any third party products. If I needed a custom duct, I'd start with sheet aluminum used for car body work, make up something, secure it with pop rivets, and so on. That's an option if you can't find exactly the correct duct on a web site. You can also use a duct to solve the size issue (convert from a 92mm fan to a 120mm hole on the case), and make a cylinder from aluminum sheet as a "plenum" feeding a too-short duct, to the hole on the computer case. This is a side view... | ___ Commercial duct, selected to be slightly | / on the short side, with the cylindrical +---\_ section cut to the correct length. \_ _ HS _/ +---/ | ^ | \_ Short cylindrical section, Al sheet rolled up Paul |
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