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Old Deskpro + New PCI IDE Card Troubles
Hi All,
I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem |
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Did you go into CMOS and disable the onboard IDE controller?
HH "Adam" wrote in message ... Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem |
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A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec,
whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on the motherboard... Ben Myers On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote: Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem |
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Just done that - didn't make any difference
Still doesn't even appear on the list. Adam HH wrote: Did you go into CMOS and disable the onboard IDE controller? HH "Adam" wrote in message ... Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem |
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Hmm, actually the specs of the card:
http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb say it's PCI, revision 2.2 Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though? Adam Ben Myers wrote: A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec, whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on the motherboard... Ben Myers On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote: Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem |
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Adam,
Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2 board requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo. However, a PCI 2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card. The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard. For the most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant, with a few made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam wrote: Hmm, actually the specs of the card: http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb say it's PCI, revision 2.2 Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though? Adam Ben Myers wrote: A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec, whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on the motherboard... Ben Myers On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote: Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem |
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Oh
So you think I've got no chance of getting my new controller working? Adam Ben Myers wrote: Adam, Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2 board requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo. However, a PCI 2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card. The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard. For the most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant, with a few made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam wrote: Hmm, actually the specs of the card: http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb say it's PCI, revision 2.2 Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though? Adam Ben Myers wrote: A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec, whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on the motherboard... Ben Myers On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote: Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem |
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Absolutely no chance , the mobo isn't even looking at the right
address on the card. Like trying to use a USB 1.0 port with a USB 2.0 device , most are only USB 1.1 or 2.0 compatable. Oh So you think I've got no chance of getting my new controller working? Adam Ben Myers wrote: Adam, Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2 board requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo. However, a PCI 2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card. The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard. For the most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant, with a few made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam wrote: Hmm, actually the specs of the card: http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb say it's PCI, revision 2.2 Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though? Adam Ben Myers wrote: A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec, whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on the motherboard... Ben Myers On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote: Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam |
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I'll accept your thoughts on the PCI cards, but no machine ever shipped with
a USB1.0 port, so I don't think your comments are accurate. USB2 devices will run flawlessly (and slowly) on a USB1.1 port. Tom "Sharmon" wrote in message ... Absolutely no chance , the mobo isn't even looking at the right address on the card. Like trying to use a USB 1.0 port with a USB 2.0 device , most are only USB 1.1 or 2.0 compatable. Oh So you think I've got no chance of getting my new controller working? Adam Ben Myers wrote: Adam, Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2 board requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo. However, a PCI 2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card. The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard. For the most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant, with a few made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam wrote: Hmm, actually the specs of the card: http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb say it's PCI, revision 2.2 Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though? Adam Ben Myers wrote: A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec, whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on the motherboard... Ben Myers On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote: Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam |
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Tom I am used to your disputing everything I say but you might want to
look up OHCI especially when Compaq started making the transition to UHCI 1.0 (1994-late 1996) . It is known as USB 1.0/1.1 and was very common in a lot of earlier P2's . The southbridge chipset wasn't even capable of handling the higher 12mb/s I/O for about 4 months after UHCI 1.1 was developed .Only mice , keyboards and other 1.5 mb/s devices worked well. A lot of Digital R&D was put into perfecting it for about two years after the spec was published. (real world met theory in a big way). Yes USB 2.0 devices will usually work on 1.1 ports but they will not work on 1.0 ports if the full 12mb/s is needed .. I had an Armada 1700 that had a USB 1.0 port listed as USB 1.1 compliant that worked only with 1.5 mb/s devices and the occasional older Palm (the MB in the Armada was ver 1.1A this problem was fixed by ver 2.0) . I worked for Digital/Compaq/HP for 11 years and finally got tired of be treated like trash and now work for the federal government so I can stop worry so much about be "downsized" for a change. Best Regards Tom Sharmon I'll accept your thoughts on the PCI cards, but no machine ever shipped with a USB1.0 port, so I don't think your comments are accurate. USB2 devices will run flawlessly (and slowly) on a USB1.1 port. Tom "Sharmon" wrote in message .. . Absolutely no chance , the mobo isn't even looking at the right address on the card. Like trying to use a USB 1.0 port with a USB 2.0 device , most are only USB 1.1 or 2.0 compatable. Oh So you think I've got no chance of getting my new controller working? Adam Ben Myers wrote: Adam, Unfortunately, there is only some backward compatibility. A PCI 2.2 board requires a PCI 2.2 motherboard, and may work in a PCI 2.1 mobo. However, a PCI 2.2 complaint mobo IS backward compatible with any PCI card. The important thing is the level of PCI compliance of the motherboard. For the most part, Pentium-class motherboards were PCI 1.0 or 1.1 compliant, with a few made to meet the PCI 2.0 spec... Ben Myers On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:37:31 +0100, Adam wrote: Hmm, actually the specs of the card: http://tinyurl.com/3y3yb say it's PCI, revision 2.2 Surely the new specs would be backwards compatible though? Adam Ben Myers wrote: A 166Mhz Pentium system may well conform to an older version of the PCI spec, whilst the new PCI cards meet the PCI 2.1 spec. And they may require PCI 2.1 on the motherboard... Ben Myers On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:52:46 +0100, Adam wrote: Hi All, I've just bought a new PCI IDE controller card in order to skip the 8GB limit on the size of my hard drive. Unfortunately the card is not recognised. It doesn't show up in the device list in the Compaq BIOS :-( (I've tried it in two different PCI slots) Any ideas why? My computer is a: DeskPro 4000S 5166X The card is an ST-305 made by "Silicon Image" Thanks a lot, Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam -- Adam Richardson Email me at: stonemonkey@ntlworld~nonono~dot com Carpe Diem Adam |
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