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A couple of upgrade questions
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I am planning to upgrade my graphics card to a GF5900 which is AGP 8. My motherboard is only AGP 4, so will this work and the AGP 8 card will step down, or are they incompatible? The second question concerns memory. I would like to add 512MB to the current system and as can be seen by the output below the current memory is PC2100 (133 MHz). Having had a very quick look, it appears that the 266mhz is more common. Can the 266mhz chips be mixed with 133mhz. Will this create an unstable system. If so is it actually easy to get hold of the 133mhz chips anyway I want to run two monitors and I'm curious how these cards support that. Do they have a standard SVGA analogue type connector as well as a DVI. If yes can the DVI port also drive an analogue monitor, and if so does this require a conversion cable. Thanks Geoff --------[ Motherboard ]--------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Motherboard Properties: Motherboard ID 08/03/2002-SiS-646-6A6IXG0QC-00 Motherboard Name Gigabyte GA-8ST(-L) Front Side Bus Properties: Bus Type Intel NetBurst Bus Width 64-bit Real Clock 133 MHz (QDR) Effective Clock 533 MHz Bandwidth 4264 MB/s Chipset Bus Properties: Bus Type SiS MuTIOL Bus Width 16-bit Motherboard Physical Info: CPU Sockets/Slots 1 Expansion Slots 5 PCI, 1 AGP RAM Slots 3 DIMM Integrated Devices Audio Form Factor ATX Motherboard Size 200 mm x 300 mm Motherboard Chipset SiS645DX Extra Features EasyTune 4 Motherboard Manufacturer: Company Name Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Product Information http://www.giga-byte.com/products/products.htm BIOS Download http://www.giga-byte.com/support/mbbios_index.htm --------[ Memory ]-------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Physical Memory: Total 511 MB Used 232 MB Free 279 MB Utilization 45 % Swap Space: Total 1250 MB Used 168 MB Free 1082 MB Utilization 13 % Virtual Memory: Total 2047 MB Used 119 MB Free 1928 MB Utilization 6 % --------[ SPD ]----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- [ Nanya NT512D64S8HA0G-7K ] Memory Module Properties: Module Name Nanya NT512D64S8HA0G-7K Module Size 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks) Module Type Unbuffered Memory Type DDR SDRAM Memory Speed PC2100 (133 MHz) Module Width 64 bit Module Voltage SSTL 2.5 Error Detection Method None Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh Highest CAS Latency 2.5 (7.0 ns @ 142 MHz) 2nd Highest CAS Latency 2.0 (7.5 ns @ 133 MHz) Memory Module Features: Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported Auto-Precharge Not Supported Precharge All Not Supported Write1/Read Burst Not Supported Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Differential Clock Input Supported Redundant Row Address Not Supported Memory Module Manufacturer: Company Name Nanya Technology Corp. Product Information http://www.nanya.com/e-htm/abc/abc-03.htm --------[ Chipset ]------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Chipset Properties: Motherboard Chipset SiS 645DX Memory Slots: DRAM Slot #1 512 MB (PC2100 DDR SDRAM) AGP Properties: AGP Version 2.00 AGP Status Enabled AGP Aperture Size 64 MB Supported AGP Speeds 1x, 2x, 4x Current AGP Speed 4x Fast-Write Supported, Enabled Side Band Addressing Supported, Disabled Chipset Manufacturer: Company Name Silicon Integrated Systems Corporation Product Information http://www.sis.com/products/index.htm#chipsets --------[ BIOS ]---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003 |
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:41:50 -0000, "GeoffC"
wrote: ** System info printed below. I am planning to upgrade my graphics card to a GF5900 which is AGP 8. My motherboard is only AGP 4, so will this work and the AGP 8 card will step down, or are they incompatible? Yes it will work. The second question concerns memory. I would like to add 512MB to the current system and as can be seen by the output below the current memory is PC2100 (133 MHz). Having had a very quick look, it appears that the 266mhz is more common. Can the 266mhz chips be mixed with 133mhz. Will this create an unstable system. If so is it actually easy to get hold of the 133mhz chips anyway Perhaps you mean "DDR266", not 266MHz? Or perhaps some vendors have misidentified it. You might do well to avoid vendors that can't even provide proper terminology, they're either misleading on purpose or of questionable competence to sell memory. Generally it's best to stay with the "PC" rating, which in your case means you need PC2100. True 266Mhz memory would be called PC4200... not too common yet. I want to run two monitors and I'm curious how these cards support that. Do they have a standard SVGA analogue type connector as well as a DVI. If yes can the DVI port also drive an analogue monitor, and if so does this require a conversion cable. Yes, "usually" they have one of both connectors, and so long as it's a retail package it's typical to include the adapter, is a small inline type, not on a cable, similar to http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...ion=14-999-201 Dave |
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"GeoffC" wrote in message ...
snip The second question concerns memory. I would like to add 512MB to the current system and as can be seen by the output below the current memory is PC2100 (133 MHz). Having had a very quick look, it appears that the 266mhz is more common. Can the 266mhz chips be mixed with 133mhz. Will this create an unstable system. If so is it actually easy to get hold of the 133mhz chips anyway PC2100 is DDR memory - operating at 266MHz, with a FSB of 133MHz (hence DDR) HTH Andy |
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"GeoffC" wrote in message ...
** System info printed below. I am planning to upgrade my graphics card to a GF5900 which is AGP 8. My motherboard is only AGP 4, so will this work and the AGP 8 card will step down, or are they incompatible? The second question concerns memory. I would like to add 512MB to the current system and as can be seen by the output below the current memory is PC2100 (133 MHz). Having had a very quick look, it appears that the 266mhz is more common. Can the 266mhz chips be mixed with 133mhz. Will this create an unstable system. If so is it actually easy to get hold of the 133mhz chips anyway I want to run two monitors and I'm curious how these cards support that. Do they have a standard SVGA analogue type connector as well as a DVI. If yes can the DVI port also drive an analogue monitor, and if so does this require a conversion cable. Thanks Geoff 1.)Yes, you may use the AGP 8X card it will only run at 4X though. Make sure you have an extra 12V power plug from your powersupply as you need to use it to power the video card. 2.)266MHz is PC2100. Same as is in your computer now. 100MHz=DDR200=PC1600 133MHz=DDR266=PC2100 166MHz=DDR333=PC2700 200MHz=DDR400=PC3200 Anyhow if you where to mix PC2700 and PC2100 then the memory would operate at the slower PC2100 speed and may or may not cause some unstable operation. 3.)The cards have the standard VGA analog connectors and a DVI analog/digital connector. This allows two analog devices to be connected to the graphics card. As far as how two LCD digital monitors would be hooked up I'm not sure I have not tried to install two LCD's good luck with the upgrade. |
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Thanks for the answers it clears things up for me.
The PC2100 (133mhz) memory is actually 266mhz DDR then. Maybe that would explain why I found so much of it then :-)) As for the two monitors, whilst I have a TFT now it is analogue, so I would be asking the card to provide two analogue ports effectively. Is this achieved by turning the DVI port into an analogue port with a cable?? Thanks again Geoff "jamotto" wrote in message om... "GeoffC" wrote in message ... ** System info printed below. I am planning to upgrade my graphics card to a GF5900 which is AGP 8. My motherboard is only AGP 4, so will this work and the AGP 8 card will step down, or are they incompatible? The second question concerns memory. I would like to add 512MB to the current system and as can be seen by the output below the current memory is PC2100 (133 MHz). Having had a very quick look, it appears that the 266mhz is more common. Can the 266mhz chips be mixed with 133mhz. Will this create an unstable system. If so is it actually easy to get hold of the 133mhz chips anyway I want to run two monitors and I'm curious how these cards support that. Do they have a standard SVGA analogue type connector as well as a DVI. If yes can the DVI port also drive an analogue monitor, and if so does this require a conversion cable. Thanks Geoff 1.)Yes, you may use the AGP 8X card it will only run at 4X though. Make sure you have an extra 12V power plug from your powersupply as you need to use it to power the video card. 2.)266MHz is PC2100. Same as is in your computer now. 100MHz=DDR200=PC1600 133MHz=DDR266=PC2100 166MHz=DDR333=PC2700 200MHz=DDR400=PC3200 Anyhow if you where to mix PC2700 and PC2100 then the memory would operate at the slower PC2100 speed and may or may not cause some unstable operation. 3.)The cards have the standard VGA analog connectors and a DVI analog/digital connector. This allows two analog devices to be connected to the graphics card. As far as how two LCD digital monitors would be hooked up I'm not sure I have not tried to install two LCD's good luck with the upgrade. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 20/12/2003 |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:21:08 -0000, "GeoffC"
wrote: Thanks for the answers it clears things up for me. The PC2100 (133mhz) memory is actually 266mhz DDR then. Maybe that would explain why I found so much of it then :-)) No, it's not. It's EITHER (266) MHz or DDR, but not both. It is incorrect to use both terms at the same time, those who do so are the whole reason for the confusion in the first place. DDR means double date rate. You are not doubling a 266MHz rate, rather doubling the 133MHz rate, so one or the other can't exist in the same description for PC2100 memory, not as a relation to each other. Dave |
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kony wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:21:08 -0000, "GeoffC" wrote: Thanks for the answers it clears things up for me. The PC2100 (133mhz) memory is actually 266mhz DDR then. Maybe that would explain why I found so much of it then :-)) No, it's not. It's EITHER (266) MHz or DDR, but not both. It is incorrect to use both terms at the same time, those who do so are the whole reason for the confusion in the first place. DDR means double date rate. You are not doubling a 266MHz rate, rather doubling the 133MHz rate, so one or the other can't exist in the same description for PC2100 memory, not as a relation to each other. Dave Maybe this will clear up any confusion. What is the difference between PC2100 (DDR266), PC2700 (DDR333), and PC3200 (DDR400). PC2100 DDR (DDR 266) is designed for use in systems and motherboards which require a 133MHz front-side bus. While the system or motherboard may operate a 133MHz front-side bus, its effective front-side bus speed is 266MHz in DDR operation. To get the effective front-side bus speed of a DDR system, double the operating frequency -- which in this case is 133 MHz -- to get the 266MHz. PC2700 DDR (DDR333) is designed for use in systems and motherboards which require a 166MHz front-side bus, with an effective front-side bus speed of 333MHz. PC3200 DDR (DDR400) is designed for use in systems and motherboards which require a 200MHz front-side bus, with an effective front-side bus speed of 400MHz. article here http://www.crucial.com/kb/answer.asp?qid=4003 |
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