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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
We got two HPZ210 small form factor
https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
t wrote:
We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. 1 internal 3.5-inch bay, and 1 shared internal/external 3.5-inch bay. 1 external 5.25-inch bay. The manual, in the diagrams (this is a PDF file), http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c02784417 makes it look like the captive power supply cables are Molex power. And yet the port config is 2xSATA II and 2xSATA III. You'd think they would have put SATA 15 pin power on it. I don't know if the diagrams are intentionally trying to be obtuse or what's going on. You'd purchase a Molex to SATA power, if what I'm seeing in the manual is correct. If you arrive on site and the captive cable is actually SATA 15p, then you wouldn't need your adapter. So the Y cable you propose to buy, is probably a good thing to get. The manual shows the drive bay as "rotating into place", with a right-angle SATA 7p data on one end, and a straight connector SATA 7p data on the other end. Figure 10-9 shows the proposed cable routing. If you buy a long cable, with regular SATA connectors on each end, they bend the cable in half. However, it also looks like, if you dropped the cage down to a lower angle, a shorter cable can fit. But the question remains, how will the bend radius be maintained ? You don't want to pinch SATA cables and leave a blemish in the plastic, as it can cause a high error rate. Your Molex to dual SATA 15p power cable is probably a safe bet to carry in your kit bag. The other cable, microSATA to SATA, that doesn't make any sense. MicroSATA is a 1.8" SSD standard. Both 2.5" HDD and SSD and 3.5" HDD and ODD use regular sized SATA 7p. And then it's a judgment call, whether you attempt to use a long cable and route it through their idea of a strain relief. Or you route the shorter cable as you see fit. I think my computer store stocks at least three lengths of SATA cable, so I'd have choices, and the longest one definitely wouldn't work for this project, as there'd be too much slack left over. But you know it's a regular SATA right angle to SATA straight cable, and if you carry several sample lengths in your kit bag, you can probably pick one to fit. Your proposed SSD drive purchase, is TLC flash with SLC write cache. That means the data is written twice, for small writes. A portion of the TLC, the voltage levels are interpreted as if they were SLC, so the entire flash array is basically TLC. When the SLC write cache (intended for speed), is full on a sustained write sequence, the drive write speed will drop as it starts writing directly in one step to the TLC cells. I'm guessing your purchase is based on price, and a three year warranty. https://www.cnet.com/products/sandis...240gg26/specs/ The Sandisk page itself, gave next to nothing for specs. I might as well have been buying toilet paper or melons :-) You'll need a tray adapter for an SSD. The internal drive bay may be 3.5" for the lower one. The manual shows some kind of crazy looking adapter for 3.5" to 2.5" drives. Some kind of regular 3.5" to 2.5" tray adapter with screw holes in places that mate with the HP tray design, would probably suffice. If you're using loose cables to cable up, the thickness of the drive shouldn't matter. And it's just a matter of securing it. While you could use tie-wraps or duct tape, that isn't very professional :-) Paul |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
On 12/3/2017 9:36 PM, t wrote:
We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. The drive should work fine since it is a bog standard SATA interface -- no 'micro' adapter necessary, just a suitable high-quality SATA cable rated for 6gb/s. Both the motherboard and the proposed drive are rated for that speed. As for the power, it seems highly unlikely that there isn't already a SATA power connector in place but the 'manual' is vague to say the least. Have you looked? As Paul wrote, having a converter from Molex to SATA power won't hurt you since they are cheap but there is no use in buying something you'll likely never need (this written by someone who has thrown out literally bushels of weird old obsolete cables and adapters over the years). As for mounting the drive, there are physical adapters to fit the 2.5" drives into 3.5" spaces but I've had as much success using a bit of double-stick foam tape -- SSD drives weigh next to nothing and are not shock-sensitive. |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
John McGaw wrote:
On 12/3/2017 9:36 PM, t wrote: We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. The drive should work fine since it is a bog standard SATA interface -- no 'micro' adapter necessary, just a suitable high-quality SATA cable rated for 6gb/s. Both the motherboard and the proposed drive are rated for that speed. As for the power, it seems highly unlikely that there isn't already a SATA power connector in place but the 'manual' is vague to say the least. Have you looked? As Paul wrote, having a converter from Molex to SATA power won't hurt you since they are cheap but there is no use in buying something you'll likely never need (this written by someone who has thrown out literally bushels of weird old obsolete cables and adapters over the years). As for mounting the drive, there are physical adapters to fit the 2.5" drives into 3.5" spaces but I've had as much success using a bit of double-stick foam tape -- SSD drives weigh next to nothing and are not shock-sensitive. I've nearly worn out a couple SATA 15p on the Test Machine, and I am actually using the Y cable with Molex to dual SATA, to replace it. So I recommend actually stocking a couple for your computer room. I have drives on trays, and the drives are swapped on a daily basis for one experiment or another. When you wear out a 15p on the PSU, you can start using a Y to replace it. Paul |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
On 12/4/2017 1:07 PM, Paul wrote:
John McGaw wrote: On 12/3/2017 9:36 PM, t wrote: We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. The drive should work fine since it is a bog standard SATA interface -- no 'micro' adapter necessary, just a suitable high-quality SATA cable rated for 6gb/s. Both the motherboard and the proposed drive are rated for that speed. As for the power, it seems highly unlikely that there isn't already a SATA power connector in place but the 'manual' is vague to say the least. Have you looked? As Paul wrote, having a converter from Molex to SATA power won't hurt you since they are cheap but there is no use in buying something you'll likely never need (this written by someone who has thrown out literally bushels of weird old obsolete cables and adapters over the years). As for mounting the drive, there are physical adapters to fit the 2.5" drives into 3.5" spaces but I've had as much success using a bit of double-stick foam tape -- SSD drives weigh next to nothing and are not shock-sensitive. I've nearly worn out a couple SATA 15p on the Test Machine, and I am actually using the Y cable with Molex to dual SATA, to replace it. So I recommend actually stocking a couple for your computer room. I have drives on trays, and the drives are swapped on a daily basis for one experiment or another. When you wear out a 15p on the PSU, you can start using a Y to replace it. Â*Â* Paul For a machine which sees a _lot_ of changes, sure, why not. Face it though -- your naive average user installing such a drive may figure out how to do it one time and, once (s)he gets it working even one replacement is unlikely before the machine is salvaged. I've had 'test' machines too over decades but never got to the point of wearing out any connectors that I can recall. The last one was used for a couple of years right up to the time when some caps and an inductor came to a smoky end in an onboard regulator finally relegating that MB to the great junkbox in the sky. |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
John McGaw wrote:
On 12/4/2017 1:07 PM, Paul wrote: John McGaw wrote: On 12/3/2017 9:36 PM, t wrote: We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. The drive should work fine since it is a bog standard SATA interface -- no 'micro' adapter necessary, just a suitable high-quality SATA cable rated for 6gb/s. Both the motherboard and the proposed drive are rated for that speed. As for the power, it seems highly unlikely that there isn't already a SATA power connector in place but the 'manual' is vague to say the least. Have you looked? As Paul wrote, having a converter from Molex to SATA power won't hurt you since they are cheap but there is no use in buying something you'll likely never need (this written by someone who has thrown out literally bushels of weird old obsolete cables and adapters over the years). As for mounting the drive, there are physical adapters to fit the 2.5" drives into 3.5" spaces but I've had as much success using a bit of double-stick foam tape -- SSD drives weigh next to nothing and are not shock-sensitive. I've nearly worn out a couple SATA 15p on the Test Machine, and I am actually using the Y cable with Molex to dual SATA, to replace it. So I recommend actually stocking a couple for your computer room. I have drives on trays, and the drives are swapped on a daily basis for one experiment or another. When you wear out a 15p on the PSU, you can start using a Y to replace it. Paul For a machine which sees a _lot_ of changes, sure, why not. Face it though -- your naive average user installing such a drive may figure out how to do it one time and, once (s)he gets it working even one replacement is unlikely before the machine is salvaged. I've had 'test' machines too over decades but never got to the point of wearing out any connectors that I can recall. The last one was used for a couple of years right up to the time when some caps and an inductor came to a smoky end in an onboard regulator finally relegating that MB to the great junkbox in the sky. The SATA connector that slides on to the back of the drive, is only rated for 50 insertions. They seem to be good for more cycles than that. In the ESATA case, the rating is 5000 cycles, and it seems either having a metal shell, or having a rigid setup (like the backplane connector), does wonders for the rating. So mine is one of the 50 cycle things, wearing out. On one connector, I have a bad connection between one of the power wire and the connector. On a second connector, it's just getting loose, as if some material has worn off. Paul |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
On 12/4/2017 2:41 AM, Paul wrote:
t wrote: We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Paul, I appreciate the detailed response. 1 internal 3.5-inch bay, and 1 shared internal/external 3.5-inch bay. 1 external 5.25-inch bay. The manual, in the diagrams (this is a PDF file), http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c02784417 makes it look like the captive power supply cables are Molex power. And yet the port config is 2xSATA II and 2xSATA III. You'd think they would have put SATA 15 pin power on it. I don't know if the diagrams are intentionally trying to be obtuse or what's going on. You'd purchase a Molex to SATA power, if what I'm seeing in the manual is correct. If you arrive on site and the captive cable is actually SATA 15p, then you wouldn't need your adapter. So the Y cable you propose to buy, is probably a good thing to get. The manual shows the drive bay as "rotating into place", with a right-angle SATA 7p data on one end, and a straight connector SATA 7p data on the other end. Figure 10-9 shows the proposed cable routing. If you buy a long cable, with regular SATA connectors on each end, they bend the cable in half. However, it also looks like, if you dropped the cage down to a lower angle, a shorter cable can fit. But the question remains, how will the bend radius be maintained ? You don't want to pinch SATA cables and leave a blemish in the plastic, as it can cause a high error rate. Your Molex to dual SATA 15p power cable is probably a safe bet to carry in your kit bag. The other cable, microSATA to SATA, that doesn't make any sense. MicroSATA is a 1.8" SSD standard. Both 2.5" HDD and SSD and 3.5" HDD and ODD use regular sized SATA 7p. And then it's a judgment call, whether you attempt to use a long cable and route it through their idea of a strain relief. Or you route the shorter cable as you see fit. I think my computer store stocks at least three lengths of SATA cable, so I'd have choices, and the longest one definitely wouldn't work for this project, as there'd be too much slack left over. But you know it's a regular SATA right angle to SATA straight cable, and if you carry several sample lengths in your kit bag, you can probably pick one to fit. Would getting this https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-16-.../dp/B005E2XRNG work for data and power cable? Your proposed SSD drive purchase, is TLC flash with SLC write cache. That means the data is written twice, for small writes. A portion of the TLC, the voltage levels are interpreted as if they were SLC, so the entire flash array is basically TLC. When the SLC write cache (intended for speed), is full on a sustained write sequence, the drive write speed will drop as it starts writing directly in one step to the TLC cells. I'm guessing your purchase is based on price, and a three year warranty. https://www.cnet.com/products/sandis...240gg26/specs/ The Sandisk page itself, gave next to nothing for specs. I might as well have been buying toilet paper or melons :-) You'll need a tray adapter for an SSD. The internal drive bay may be 3.5" for the lower one. The manual shows some kind of crazy looking adapter for 3.5" to 2.5" drives. Some kind of regular 3.5" to 2.5" tray adapter with screw holes in places that mate with the HP tray design, would probably suffice. If you're using loose cables to cable up, the thickness of the drive shouldn't matter. And it's just a matter of securing it. While you could use tie-wraps or duct tape, that isn't very professional :-) Paul Your responses to this newsgroup are appreciated. |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
On 12/4/2017 10:26 AM, John McGaw wrote:
On 12/3/2017 9:36 PM, t wrote: We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. The drive should work fine since it is a bog standard SATA interface -- no 'micro' adapter necessary, just a suitable high-quality SATA cable rated for 6gb/s. Both the motherboard and the proposed drive are rated for that speed. As for the power, it seems highly unlikely that there isn't already a SATA power connector in place but the 'manual' is vague to say the least. Have you looked? As Paul wrote, having a converter from Molex to SATA power won't hurt you since they are cheap but there is no use in buying something you'll likely never need (this written by someone who has thrown out literally bushels of weird old obsolete cables and adapters over the years). Thanks John, If something like this https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-16-.../dp/B005E2XRNG works I can get it As for mounting the drive, there are physical adapters to fit the 2.5" drives into 3.5" spaces but I've had as much success using a bit of double-stick foam tape -- SSD drives weigh next to nothing and are not shock-sensitive. I appreciate your advice. |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
On 12/5/2017 12:12 AM, t wrote:
On 12/4/2017 10:26 AM, John McGaw wrote: On 12/3/2017 9:36 PM, t wrote: We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. The drive should work fine since it is a bog standard SATA interface -- no 'micro' adapter necessary, just a suitable high-quality SATA cable rated for 6gb/s. Both the motherboard and the proposed drive are rated for that speed. As for the power, it seems highly unlikely that there isn't already a SATA power connector in place but the 'manual' is vague to say the least. Have you looked? As Paul wrote, having a converter from Molex to SATA power won't hurt you since they are cheap but there is no use in buying something you'll likely never need (this written by someone who has thrown out literally bushels of weird old obsolete cables and adapters over the years). Thanks John, If something like this https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-16-.../dp/B005E2XRNG works I can get it As for mounting the drive, there are physical adapters to fit the 2.5" drives into 3.5" spaces but I've had as much success using a bit of double-stick foam tape -- SSD drives weigh next to nothing and are not shock-sensitive. I appreciate your advice. The cable you linked is for a 'slim-line' drive. The SSD you mentioned first is a standard drive. The two are not necessarily compatible and are meant for entirely different purposes. What you need is a standard full-size SATA III cable long enough to reach from the motherboard connector to the drive, wherever you mean to install it. As for power, I still think that your computer probably has the appropriate 15-pin SATA power connector on the power supply harness. Have you looked to see? If your computer doesn't have the connector then you will need an adapter to go from an old-school AMP/Molex 4-pin to a standard SATA 15-pin in addition to the SATA data cable. Since you keep referencing Amazon, try going there and searching for 'SATA III cable'. You will get a couple of pages full of suitable candidates. You'll need to figure out if you need straight or right-angle versions depending on how you will mounting the drive. There are even some power adapters showing up in the search. |
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Disk replacement for HPz210 small form factor
On 12/4/2017 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
John McGaw wrote: On 12/4/2017 1:07 PM, Paul wrote: John McGaw wrote: On 12/3/2017 9:36 PM, t wrote: We got two HPZ210 small form factor https://support.hp.com/us-en/product...053190/manuals computers from another area, but they don't have a hard disk as well as the data and power cables which connect to them. 1. Can an SSD like https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk...?skuId=5394603 work for the HPz210 computers if I get the following SATA and power cables https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St.../1896135.aspx? https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/St...r/2886844.aspx 2. Or, would I need any other cables also? Any advice would be appreciated. The drive should work fine since it is a bog standard SATA interface -- no 'micro' adapter necessary, just a suitable high-quality SATA cable rated for 6gb/s. Both the motherboard and the proposed drive are rated for that speed. As for the power, it seems highly unlikely that there isn't already a SATA power connector in place but the 'manual' is vague to say the least. Have you looked? As Paul wrote, having a converter from Molex to SATA power won't hurt you since they are cheap but there is no use in buying something you'll likely never need (this written by someone who has thrown out literally bushels of weird old obsolete cables and adapters over the years). As for mounting the drive, there are physical adapters to fit the 2.5" drives into 3.5" spaces but I've had as much success using a bit of double-stick foam tape -- SSD drives weigh next to nothing and are not shock-sensitive. I've nearly worn out a couple SATA 15p on the Test Machine, and I am actually using the Y cable with Molex to dual SATA, to replace it. So I recommend actually stocking a couple for your computer room. I have drives on trays, and the drives are swapped on a daily basis for one experiment or another. When you wear out a 15p on the PSU, you can start using a Y to replace it. Paul For a machine which sees a _lot_ of changes, sure, why not. Face it though -- your naive average user installing such a drive may figure out how to do it one time and, once (s)he gets it working even one replacement is unlikely before the machine is salvaged. I've had 'test' machines too over decades but never got to the point of wearing out any connectors that I can recall. The last one was used for a couple of years right up to the time when some caps and an inductor came to a smoky end in an onboard regulator finally relegating that MB to the great junkbox in the sky. The SATA connector that slides on to the back of the drive, is only rated for 50 insertions. They seem to be good for more cycles than that. In the ESATA case, the rating is 5000 cycles, and it seems either having a metal shell, or having a rigid setup (like the backplane connector), does wonders for the rating. So mine is one of the 50 cycle things, wearing out. On one connector, I have a bad connection between one of the power wire and the connector. On a second connector, it's just getting loose, as if some material has worn off. Paul Thanks Paul, I appreciate your advice and help. Have a good holiday. Your advice is very valuable to all posters in this group. |
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