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Old May 6th 04, 01:11 AM
R
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Default Operating System

I built my Asus P3F with 700 pentium about 4 years ago, rock solid and
on win98se, but it's time for an upgrade.
I've put together three systems with Asus boards and all worked
perfect!!

I'm leaning for the new system to include:

Asus P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz (Hyper Threading)
(2) Western Digital Raptor

Seems like every other day I read about a new virus out attaching Win
XP. I plan to get into Unix operating system on one hard
drive, but not sure if the second hard drive (portable) should keep the
Win 98se or go with Win XP? Would Win98se even work with
hyper thread? I already know Win98 would limit the new programs coming
out and the new software architecture would be
better with the newer processors, I just wondered if anyone is
successfully running Win98 on a newer processor.


Oh yeah, another quick question. Would the Antec 380 True Power be an
adequate power supply?



Thanks!!


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Old May 6th 04, 04:00 AM
Canus_Lupis
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Win 98SE has trouble with anything over 256Mb of ram and doesn`t fully
understand DDR ram.
XPee likes 512Mb of DDR ram and you would be silly to go the cost of a new
system and then start cutting it back just so you could run 98SE.
Use a good firewall, a decent spyware remover and a top anti virus programme
and you will be fine with XP Pro on your new machine.



"R" wrote in message ...
I built my Asus P3F with 700 pentium about 4 years ago, rock solid and
on win98se, but it's time for an upgrade.
I've put together three systems with Asus boards and all worked
perfect!!

I'm leaning for the new system to include:

Asus P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz (Hyper Threading)
(2) Western Digital Raptor

Seems like every other day I read about a new virus out attaching Win
XP. I plan to get into Unix operating system on one hard
drive, but not sure if the second hard drive (portable) should keep the
Win 98se or go with Win XP? Would Win98se even work with
hyper thread? I already know Win98 would limit the new programs coming
out and the new software architecture would be
better with the newer processors, I just wondered if anyone is
successfully running Win98 on a newer processor.


Oh yeah, another quick question. Would the Antec 380 True Power be an
adequate power supply?



Thanks!!




  #3  
Old May 6th 04, 04:53 AM
Lil' Dave
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"Canus_Lupis" wrote in message
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Win 98SE has trouble with anything over 256Mb of ram and doesn`t fully
understand DDR ram.


Am running a tri-boot 98SE/98SE/XP. 2.4 GHz / 512MB DDR. Nothig modified
in 98SE to make use of memory.

XPee likes 512Mb of DDR ram and you would be silly to go the cost of a new
system and then start cutting it back just so you could run 98SE.


Another 98 OS Urban legend. Problem you're referring to, I guess, usually
begins when exceeding 512MB of physical memory. A couple of system.ini
entries will allow up to1GB.

Use a good firewall, a decent spyware remover and a top anti virus

programme
and you will be fine with XP Pro on your new machine.


Same goes for 98SE.





98SE does not understand hyper-thread technology.

"R" wrote in message ...
I built my Asus P3F with 700 pentium about 4 years ago, rock solid and
on win98se, but it's time for an upgrade.
I've put together three systems with Asus boards and all worked
perfect!!

I'm leaning for the new system to include:

Asus P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz (Hyper Threading)
(2) Western Digital Raptor

Seems like every other day I read about a new virus out attaching Win
XP. I plan to get into Unix operating system on one hard
drive, but not sure if the second hard drive (portable) should keep the
Win 98se or go with Win XP? Would Win98se even work with
hyper thread? I already know Win98 would limit the new programs coming
out and the new software architecture would be
better with the newer processors, I just wondered if anyone is
successfully running Win98 on a newer processor.


Oh yeah, another quick question. Would the Antec 380 True Power be an
adequate power supply?



Thanks!!






  #4  
Old May 6th 04, 08:39 AM
Tim
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Hi,

Go with XP and as the others say good firewall, AV and spyware + healthy
computing habits.

Others have recommended the 2.4 / 2.6 / 2.8c chips in preference to the new
E chips in terms of bang for your buck, and reduced heat dissipation.

If you want a silent system start with quiet parts. The raptors are OK - not
much worse than most HDD's, so if this is a factor, then choose your PSU,
graphics and HSF with this in mind.

XP SP2 will be out soon, so don't fork out any dosh for a firewall - make do
with one of the free ones which will probably be about as effective.

- Tim





"R" wrote in message ...
I built my Asus P3F with 700 pentium about 4 years ago, rock solid and
on win98se, but it's time for an upgrade.
I've put together three systems with Asus boards and all worked
perfect!!

I'm leaning for the new system to include:

Asus P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz (Hyper Threading)
(2) Western Digital Raptor

Seems like every other day I read about a new virus out attaching Win
XP. I plan to get into Unix operating system on one hard
drive, but not sure if the second hard drive (portable) should keep the
Win 98se or go with Win XP? Would Win98se even work with
hyper thread? I already know Win98 would limit the new programs coming
out and the new software architecture would be
better with the newer processors, I just wondered if anyone is
successfully running Win98 on a newer processor.


Oh yeah, another quick question. Would the Antec 380 True Power be an
adequate power supply?



Thanks!!




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Old May 6th 04, 10:28 AM
rstlne
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"R" wrote in message ...
I built my Asus P3F with 700 pentium about 4 years ago, rock solid and
on win98se, but it's time for an upgrade.
I've put together three systems with Asus boards and all worked
perfect!!

I'm leaning for the new system to include:

Asus P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz (Hyper Threading)
(2) Western Digital Raptor

Seems like every other day I read about a new virus out attaching Win
XP. I plan to get into Unix operating system on one hard
drive, but not sure if the second hard drive (portable) should keep the
Win 98se or go with Win XP? Would Win98se even work with
hyper thread? I already know Win98 would limit the new programs coming
out and the new software architecture would be
better with the newer processors, I just wondered if anyone is
successfully running Win98 on a newer processor.


Oh yeah, another quick question. Would the Antec 380 True Power be an
adequate power supply?



Thanks!!


Dont know about the PSU (maybee)
98se Would be okay but the HT support wouldnt be there as you say.
There are "unofficial" sites that do serice packs for windows.. and things
like the .NET framework HAVE BEEN ported to work on systems like 98 so in
many ways you can indeed run some of the latest software. I am not saying
that its going to be as easy as just installing a current OS in to your
system BUT if you "enjoy" modding your software settings then I would say
stick with 98se..
One other note if you DO stay with 98se then you can disable the swap file
(it's not as simple as turning it off) but you can force 98 to swap to ram
(sounds weird doesnt it) and it makes 98se BLAZING FAST..


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Old May 6th 04, 04:08 PM
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"R" wrote in message ...
I built my Asus P3F with 700 pentium about 4 years ago, rock solid and
on win98se, but it's time for an upgrade.
I've put together three systems with Asus boards and all worked
perfect!!

I'm leaning for the new system to include:

Asus P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz (Hyper Threading)
(2) Western Digital Raptor

Seems like every other day I read about a new virus out attaching Win
XP. I plan to get into Unix operating system on one hard
drive, but not sure if the second hard drive (portable) should keep the
Win 98se or go with Win XP? Would Win98se even work with
hyper thread? I already know Win98 would limit the new programs coming
out and the new software architecture would be
better with the newer processors, I just wondered if anyone is
successfully running Win98 on a newer processor.


Oh yeah, another quick question. Would the Antec 380 True Power be an
adequate power supply?



Thanks!!


Putting 98SE on a modern board is a waste of a good board since the boards
tend to be optomized for XP and have features that only work if W2000 or XP
are installed. New HW and SW are going to require later than W98 so you
might as well get into it now and that includes dealing with viruses and
other annoyances.

The short answer to W98 and the memory is some boards work up to a GB and
others don't regardless of the mods to the ini file and other patches.

Billh


  #7  
Old May 7th 04, 12:48 PM
R
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Lots of good viewpoints, I appreciate the comments!! Sounds like
it would be best and easiest to just stay with Windows xp dispite many
virus. I'll have to
look into what XP SP2 is (as Tim suggested it will be out soon), but I
gather it's
a new xp version with additional software features inclusive.

I thought the E series chips were better and faster (but hotter), but not
sure if there is any reliability issues compaired to the C series pentium?

Thanks again!!

R wrote:

I built my Asus P3F with 700 pentium about 4 years ago, rock solid and
on win98se, but it's time for an upgrade.
I've put together three systems with Asus boards and all worked
perfect!!

I'm leaning for the new system to include:

Asus P4C800-E DELUXE
Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz (Hyper Threading)
(2) Western Digital Raptor

Seems like every other day I read about a new virus out attaching Win
XP. I plan to get into Unix operating system on one hard
drive, but not sure if the second hard drive (portable) should keep the
Win 98se or go with Win XP? Would Win98se even work with
hyper thread? I already know Win98 would limit the new programs coming
out and the new software architecture would be
better with the newer processors, I just wondered if anyone is
successfully running Win98 on a newer processor.

Oh yeah, another quick question. Would the Antec 380 True Power be an
adequate power supply?

Thanks!!


  #8  
Old May 8th 04, 07:45 PM
Ben Pope
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R wrote:
Lots of good viewpoints, I appreciate the comments!! Sounds like
it would be best and easiest to just stay with Windows xp dispite many
virus. I'll have to
look into what XP SP2 is (as Tim suggested it will be out soon), but I
gather it's
a new xp version with additional software features inclusive.


It's a service pack for XP geared around security. The new firewall is
supposed to be quite good. I have the SR release on my computer at work (I
use W2K SP4 at home), and it seems ok.

If you let Windows Update do it's thing, checking for critical updates and
installing them, then you'll probably be ok. Of course, a virus scanner is
almost essential these days, otherwise you just have to not run any programs
or connect to any other machine to be sure of not getting one. Symantec
Antivirus does a good job of looking after my machine.

Win98 is not a particularly good OS in terms of memory management and
multi-tasking. W2K and XP are MUCH better. Additionally driver support for
Win9x is fading... it's the past - it's 9 years old now, we've come a long
way.

I thought the E series chips were better and faster (but hotter), but not
sure if there is any reliability issues compaired to the C series pentium?



They'll be just as reliable... just harder to keep at sane temperatures,
meaning you'll need louder fans. They're also a lot more expensive for not
that much gain in performance.

Ben
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Old May 8th 04, 10:20 PM
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 19:39:13 +1200, in alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus, "Tim"
wrote:

Hi,

Go with XP

[snip]

No, don't. See my other f'up in this thread for the "why".

XP SP2 will be out soon, so don't fork out any dosh for a firewall - make
do with one of the free ones which will probably be about as effective.

[snip]

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

This is utterly *horrid* advice.

First, which flavor of Windows one uses has *NO* bearing on the need for a
proper outboard (commonly called "hardware") firewall which remains an
absolute requirement in ALL cases.

Secondly, in *NO* case is the "pseudo-firewall" supplied with WinXP even
marginally close to adequate.

Third, *NO* "firewall" program running on the same WinBox it is attempting to
protect can *ever* be trusted. Here is just the tip of the iceberg:

http://www.pcmag.co.uk/News/1125025
http://www.pcmag.co.uk/News/1129165
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.petch.html


http://www.pcpitstop.com/news/nl-200403.asp#A4
http://www.pestpatrol.com/PestInfo/z/zonekiller.asp
http://www.pestpatrol.com/PestInfo/f/firekiller_2000.asp
http://www.megasecurity.org/Firewalls/Firecracker.html
http://www.megasecurity.org/Firewalls/Killer3.0.html

Or, to put it more eloquently:

You can't block a port with software that runs on the same machine where
the attacks are aimed. That's like trying to stop bullets by shoving
Kevlar up your backside. By the time the bullet hits the Kevlar, the
damage has been done.
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Old May 9th 04, 02:54 AM
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This is utterly *horrid* advice.

First, which flavor of Windows one uses has *NO* bearing on the need for a
proper outboard (commonly called "hardware") firewall which remains an
absolute requirement in ALL cases.

Secondly, in *NO* case is the "pseudo-firewall" supplied with WinXP even
marginally close to adequate.

Third, *NO* "firewall" program running on the same WinBox it is attempting

to
protect can *ever* be trusted. Here is just the tip of the iceberg:


Explain yourself (to me it sounds like you dont have a full understanding of
firewalls or software based firewalls)

You can't block a port with software that runs on the same machine

where
the attacks are aimed. That's like trying to stop bullets by shoving
Kevlar up your backside. By the time the bullet hits the Kevlar, the
damage has been done.
-- Morely 'Spam is theft' Dotes in NANAE, 13-AUG-2003


I think this backs up my first statement..
It's best to look at it LIKE THIS.. (in VERRY simple terms)
Say that someone is packetflooding port 80 on your pc.. so you block it
locally.. HERE is what happens..
Broadband - Pc = Flooded PcPort (net is useless)
now..
Broadband - Router - PC = Flooded RouterPort (net is useless)

Either way .. the net is .. useless

ZoneAlarm/Symantic/(few others) Firewalls can do the job JUST AS GOOD as a
hardware router (that has a firewall)..
If you dont belive that's the case then You should get the tech docs to your
routers (Linksys would be a good place to start, as their firmware is open
source)


 




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