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Do they make earbuds that can be played louder than normal ones?



 
 
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Old January 11th 17, 05:08 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Do they make earbuds that can be played louder than normal ones?

Do they make earbuds that can be played louder than normal ones?
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Old January 11th 17, 07:19 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:08:51 -0500, Seymore4Head
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Do they make earbuds that can be played louder than normal ones?


What you'll need is the $1400 Ultimate Ear Pro 18s. They're sold
packaged in pairs, of course.
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Old January 11th 17, 08:59 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Seymore4Head wrote:
Do they make earbuds that can be played louder than normal ones?


I don't seem to be seeing dB specs on these
things. So that leaves the physics.

The XY surface area times the Z stroke depth,
determines the volume of air moved. An earbud
starts with a disadvantage in the value of XYZ.

Some earbuds have a larger housing that sits more
outside the ear than it should, and that increases
the XY value. But if you don't know how far the
Z moves, you'll have no idea how well it works.

I used to get decent volume from some piezoelectric
earphones, driven with a 9V signal or so. I never
expected the fidelity to be all that good, but
it had a surprising amount of bass for a piece of
crap. And I liked those. I haven't seen those
for sale in some time.

You can see some product examples here. None of
them received any sort of comment about "loud".

https://www.ezvid.com/top-10-earbuds

One not in that review.

http://www.gearbest.com/earphones/pp_169225.html

The "volume limiter" on the mobile device, limits
the available voltage. Perhaps the audio chip
could manage 1.4V flat out, into a 32 ohm load.
But to "protect your hearing", the voltage is
limited to a safer value. That could be part
of the problem. Find an older audio device,
from before they worried about your hearing,
and test with the signal level that delivers.
For example, get an adapter to convert the headphone
jack on your stereo (that "larger" connector) to
a 1/8" jack. And try your earbuds there, to see if
they can even produce a loud signal without distortion.
Perhaps that will prove the allowed Z-stroke is just
too small to make earwax-compressing fun.

There is another kind of effect, but it's a trick.
Remember that the TV set used to play the commercials
loud ? They have things such as "companding", which
upsets the distribution of loud and weak parts of
a sound, and makes everything loud. I don't know if
you would find such an effect annoying or not. You
could get a copy of Audacity, and try "modifying"
one of your tunes, then attempt playback, and see
if the "trick" is good enough or not. So you don't
have to fork out money for more buds of dubious
properties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companding

The circuit I used with the 9V output, would
be an example of a "preamp" or "amp". It was
necessary in that case, because the piezos
are "voltage" devices and not "power" devices.
They would not be drawing a lot of current at
the 9V level. The opamp might have been a
741 for example, which is 25mA max on output.
Regular earbuds might be speaker-like and
draw a bit more current at such a high level.
I would probably need a bit different circuit
to drive earbuds at an ear splitting level.
Something with a bit more current output.

You can't really buy amps for a decent price,
but here are some examples. It only makes sense
to use this, if you test your earbuds on a "capable"
sound device first (your old stereo) and see if the earbuds
can handle the power level you have in mind.

http://lifehacker.com/five-best-port...ers-1722800379

Paul
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Old January 11th 17, 07:43 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Do they make earbuds that can be played louder than normal ones?

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 01:19:22 -0500, Flasherly wrote:

| On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:08:51 -0500, Seymore4Head
| wrote:
|
| Do they make earbuds that can be played louder than normal ones?
|
| What you'll need is the $1400 Ultimate Ear Pro 18s. They're sold
| packaged in pairs, of course.

Whatever the price, I suspect manufacturers of earbuds (and earphones) want to be
careful not to expose themselves to lawsuits resulting from hearing damage due to
excessive volume.

Larc
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Old January 12th 17, 10:18 AM posted to alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Default Do they make earbuds that can be played louder than normal ones?

On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:43:58 -0500, Larc
wrote:

Whatever the price, I suspect manufacturers of earbuds (and earphones) want to be
careful not to expose themselves to lawsuits resulting from hearing damage due to
excessive volume.

Larc


It's organic...
http://ear-buds.org/what-do-the-specs-on-earbuds-mean/

Volume can be many factors, including driver failure, I suppose, to
and in excess of it.

My main drivers, to me are an original promoted and aspect as to how I
adopted them, are non-fatiguing. No sound, in so many words, can turn
into blah, blah, &etc. It always flows sweetly.

So I had to double-check. I found some sound engineers and bought
what they used to mix-down source recordings.

I mixed in both drivers from a sound board multi-channel array, all
totaling fourteen drivers, to override either, incrementally or
altogether at will. And then I gave it some years to factor the
results for living organically with studio reference gear.

Those earbuds, by the way, are mentioned in the article for running
six discrete drivers. I've destroyed by wearing out similar. I've
also [over]driven other skull cans, in recording sessions, purely by
accident, to where I got to see the "red in their eyes" from other
musicians.

Coupled to a degree of overall [computer audio processing] control,
though, I've yet to run into one -- you're average urban swinging-dick
with Friday nite's mic in hand -- who can match a multi-track session
with me.

(Knock on wood...there out there and there's always someone better.)

Oh, yea. Back to my "main" drivers. I've put off buying a
replacement amp I want for them. I like the way that particular amp
originally was promoted: The factory rep would get on stage, hook the
negative to metal plate, crank volume, and weld for the audience with
the positive.
 




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