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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:24:45 -0400, george1234
wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:41:05 +0200, Edi Zubovic edi.zubovic[rem wrote: If you are seeking after a maximum text quality, go LCD and DVI. At native resolution, a dot above "i" is one pixel. No less, no more, no in-between and completely flicker-free. that is not my experience. i did this with a syntax olevia 30" LCD and and ATI dvi output. Text looked awful I much prefer a CRT --G But was it at the native resolution (it must have been huge) and could the ATI handle it? I have no problems whatsoever regarding text and 2D with a Matrox Parhelia 128 DVI connected to a Samsung Syncmaster 213T @1600 x 1200, normal (i. not "large") desktop fonts. This is the "native" resoution for the 213t. It is important that the resolution matches that "native" one, specified by the manufacturer. Otherwise, yes, text does look awful. Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia |
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:17:42 +0200, Edi Zubovic edi.zubovic[rem
wrote: --------------8---------------------- that is not my experience. i did this with a syntax olevia 30" LCD and and ATI dvi output. Text looked awful Oops -- but this is a LCD TV, not a monitor... can't say much here, sorry. Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia I much prefer a CRT --G But was it at the native resolution (it must have been huge) and could the ATI handle it? I have no problems whatsoever regarding text and 2D with a Matrox Parhelia 128 DVI connected to a Samsung Syncmaster 213T @1600 x 1200, normal (i. not "large") desktop fonts. This is the "native" resoution for the 213t. It is important that the resolution matches that "native" one, specified by the manufacturer. Otherwise, yes, text does look awful. Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia |
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The Real Slim Shady wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:32:17 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: If he sees a _significant_ improvement in text by going from a Radeon 8500 to a G550 then his radeon was broken. There may be some slight difference that an expert on text rendering might be able to detect with a magnifier or instruments, but there is none perceptible to the average user. The notion that there is some huge difference in text quality between Matrox and other boards is pure hyperbole. Wait. I'm using a superb Sony 19" lcd attached to a G400 (VGA) and an ATI (DVI). What model ATI and how old is it? There *is* a noticeable difference: the former, 5 years old card, has a better output. Running at native res on the DVI? You should have one dot per pixel--the video board should be producing no artifacts at all. If it is then something is broken. OTOH, if you use a standard monitor like the ones people buy everyday, you won't notice any difference, as they are pure crap anyway, designed for games. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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The Real Slim Shady wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:47:55 -0400, J. Clarke wrote: If he sees a _significant_ improvement in text by going from a Radeon 8500 to a G550 then his radeon was broken. There may be some slight difference that an expert on text rendering might be able to detect with a magnifier or instruments, but there is none perceptible to the average user. The notion that there is some huge difference in text quality between Matrox and other boards is pure hyperbole. Wait. I'm using a superb Sony 19" lcd attached to a G400 (VGA) and an ATI (DVI). What model ATI and how old is it? 2004 vintage. 9600. There *is* a noticeable difference: the former, 5 years old card, has a better output. Running at native res on the DVI? You should have one dot per pixel--the video board should be producing no artifacts at all. If it is then something is broken. Of course it's native resolution. This what you claim is called "wishful thinking". Nothing is broken, it's just their output is simply not comparable to matrox quality. Nvidia and ati are designed for games. No one cares if their output looks weird when you shoot around at unreal tournament. Now try to make some real work and pretend to have real colors on a real monitor. You need a different card. I see. So to display black text on a white background you need "real colors". What you are reporting is called "anecdotal evidence" and further, since you knew which was which, a certain amount of placebo effect. You want Matrox to look better so you find something that leads you to believe that what you are seeing is "better". If it makes you happy go for it, but when you start selling other people Matrox boards because of this vast difference in text quality and the find out what all they can't do with those boards and find out that they can't tell the difference in output between those boards and their friends ATI and nvidia boards then they will stop listening to your advice. OTOH, if you use a standard monitor like the ones people buy everyday, you won't notice any difference, as they are pure crap anyway, designed for games. And the former is the second part of the equation. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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J. Clarke wrote:
What you are reporting is called "anecdotal evidence" and further, since you knew which was which, a certain amount of placebo effect. You want Matrox to look better so you find something that leads you to believe that what you are seeing is "better". If it makes you happy go for it, but when you start selling other people Matrox boards because of this vast difference in text quality and the find out what all they can't do with those boards and find out that they can't tell the difference in output between those boards and their friends ATI and nvidia boards then they will stop listening to your advice. Sorry for breaking in here, but what I find is that there's a lot of things I could do with my *Matrox* card that I simply can't do with the nVidia (or ATI). Hardware text anti-aliasing? Forget it. Independent or hardware-accellerated overlays? Sorry, nope. Get used to TV that is 1-2 seconds delayed even with a top nVidia card. Two monitors in independent mode plus a TV? Forget it -- you have to clone then. 10 bits per colour, at least? No, 255 greys or greens is all you get. Face it -- the nVidia/ATI cards are made for gamers, and they do an *excellent* job for that. If frame rate and the latest DX features is what you want, they *rock*. But for things like video or Photoshop work, give me a Matrox Parhelia any day. -- *Art |
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:59:38 -0500, "Tony Pacc"
wrote: Hi, I am currently using a ATI Radeon 8500 on an older Dell P3 1000mgh Pentium,I'm not into games ,so I am wondering if I would get better 2 D performance with the G550,I using a Samsung 930B flat panel with digital output,I am basically looking at better text performance.Thanks I've never had good luck with any ATI video cards when attempting to use them with either of 2 LCD monitors (3 cards tested). All of the ATI cards showed instability to varying degrees, and this has never been a problem with the G450 or G550. In my present setup I need a digital hookup to eliminate ghosting, so am using an offbrand non-ATI that works great. |
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