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Seagate Barracuda
Hi, I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells
for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. Specifically, I was looking at the: "Seagate ST380013ARK Internal Barracuda 7200 RPM 80 GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive" If I buy this drive, can I expect to have very few bad blocks show up over the first couple of years? I'm kind of tired of using Linux's "badblocks" and "e2fsck" programs to isolate my current hard disk's bad blocks, which are showing up with more frequency. Thank you very much for any helpful insights. |
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Seagate Barracuda
TenPercent wrote
I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. No it doesnt. Specifically, I was looking at the: "Seagate ST380013ARK Internal Barracuda 7200 RPM 80 GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive" If I buy this drive, can I expect to have very few bad blocks show up over the first couple of years? You can with any decent drive. I dont include maxtors or WDs in that. I'm kind of tired of using Linux's "badblocks" and "e2fsck" programs to isolate my current hard disk's bad blocks, which are showing up with more frequency. Its dying, have decent backups and replace it now. |
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Seagate Barracuda
TenPercent wrote:
Hi, I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. Specifically, I was looking at the: "Seagate ST380013ARK Internal Barracuda 7200 RPM 80 GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive" If I buy this drive, can I expect to have very few bad blocks show up over the first couple of years? I'm kind of tired of using Linux's "badblocks" and "e2fsck" programs to isolate my current hard disk's bad blocks, which are showing up with more frequency. Thank you very much for any helpful insights. If bad blocks are showing up with increasing frequency then you need to replace the drive. This is the classic symptom of impending drive failure. You should not have to use "badblocks" or "e2fsck"--the drive should spare bad sectors transparently--if it doesn't this suggests that its sparing has been used up which means that it is in _really_ bad shape. I don't know where you're getting that 80 gig Barracudas go for twice the price of other 80 gig drives--Newegg lists Western Digital for $50, Seagate for $53, and Samsung for $59. Before you replace your drive make _sure_ that it is getting adequate clean power and adequate cooling--that means check voltages with a meter to make sure your motherboard is reporting them accurately then monitor for a while to make sure that they aren't dropping out of spec under load and check drive temperatures with a thermocouple probe or tempilstik. If you've got a power or cooling problem fixing it might correct the problem you're having with your existing drive. Regardless of any of this, bad sectors after a year of operation is _not_ normal. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Seagate Barracuda
TenPercent wrote: Hi, I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. Several months ago, I paid a final price of $20 for my 160G Seagate Barracuda 7200.7, $40 for my 200G Seagate, and I haven't noticed any local price differences among brands, except for Samsung, which I can't buy as cheaply because it's never sold with a rebate here. |
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Seagate Barracuda
Previously J. Clarke wrote:
TenPercent wrote: Hi, I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. Specifically, I was looking at the: "Seagate ST380013ARK Internal Barracuda 7200 RPM 80 GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive" If I buy this drive, can I expect to have very few bad blocks show up over the first couple of years? I'm kind of tired of using Linux's "badblocks" and "e2fsck" programs to isolate my current hard disk's bad blocks, which are showing up with more frequency. Thank you very much for any helpful insights. If bad blocks are showing up with increasing frequency then you need to replace the drive. This is the classic symptom of impending drive failure. I completely agree to this. The highest number of bad sectors I have on a Maxtor disk is 279, but a) it has not changed for 1 year now and b) they are all invisible to the user except in the SMART status. You should not have to use "badblocks" or "e2fsck"--the drive should spare bad sectors transparently--if it doesn't this suggests that its sparing has been used up which means that it is in _really_ bad shape. You should run e2fsck regularly, but not because of bad blocks. The occasional automatic run on start-up is enough. ''badblocks'' is a relict from an earlier time when HDDs did not hide defect sectors from the user. As much other Unix tools it is very old. Today it rarely serves a purpose. I don't know where you're getting that 80 gig Barracudas go for twice the price of other 80 gig drives--Newegg lists Western Digital for $50, Seagate for $53, and Samsung for $59. I would stay away from WD and Maxtor today. Seagate and Samsung seem both ok. Before you replace your drive make _sure_ that it is getting adequate clean power and adequate cooling--that means check voltages with a meter to make sure your motherboard is reporting them accurately then monitor for a while to make sure that they aren't dropping out of spec under load and check drive temperatures with a thermocouple probe or tempilstik. Actually checking drive temperature with hdd_temp or smarctl should be enough, if your drive supports this. If you've got a power or cooling problem fixing it might correct the problem you're having with your existing drive. Regardless of any of this, bad sectors after a year of operation is _not_ normal. It might have been dropped. I saw this in several Maxtor drives that had been dropped. Arno |
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Seagate Barracuda
Arno Wagner wrote:
Previously J. Clarke wrote: TenPercent wrote: Hi, I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. Specifically, I was looking at the: "Seagate ST380013ARK Internal Barracuda 7200 RPM 80 GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive" If I buy this drive, can I expect to have very few bad blocks show up over the first couple of years? I'm kind of tired of using Linux's "badblocks" and "e2fsck" programs to isolate my current hard disk's bad blocks, which are showing up with more frequency. Thank you very much for any helpful insights. If bad blocks are showing up with increasing frequency then you need to replace the drive. This is the classic symptom of impending drive failure. I completely agree to this. The highest number of bad sectors I have on a Maxtor disk is 279, but a) it has not changed for 1 year now and b) they are all invisible to the user except in the SMART status. You should not have to use "badblocks" or "e2fsck"--the drive should spare bad sectors transparently--if it doesn't this suggests that its sparing has been used up which means that it is in _really_ bad shape. You should run e2fsck regularly, but not because of bad blocks. The occasional automatic run on start-up is enough. ''badblocks'' is a relict from an earlier time when HDDs did not hide defect sectors from the user. As much other Unix tools it is very old. Today it rarely serves a purpose. I don't know where you're getting that 80 gig Barracudas go for twice the price of other 80 gig drives--Newegg lists Western Digital for $50, Seagate for $53, and Samsung for $59. I would stay away from WD and Maxtor today. Seagate and Samsung seem both ok. I don't have enough recent experience with WD or Maxtor to comment--on my own systems I just had to replace a bad Maxtor but it had been running continuously for about four years and the other three Maxtors in that system seem to be fine. Before you replace your drive make _sure_ that it is getting adequate clean power and adequate cooling--that means check voltages with a meter to make sure your motherboard is reporting them accurately then monitor for a while to make sure that they aren't dropping out of spec under load and check drive temperatures with a thermocouple probe or tempilstik. Actually checking drive temperature with hdd_temp or smarctl should be enough, if your drive supports this. Agreed. If you've got a power or cooling problem fixing it might correct the problem you're having with your existing drive. Regardless of any of this, bad sectors after a year of operation is _not_ normal. It might have been dropped. I saw this in several Maxtor drives that had been dropped. For a while (during the 75GXP era by the way) a lot of drives seemed to be arriving wrapped in a couple of layers of small-bubble bubble wrap, which did not provide the three inches of padding that the drive manufacturers specify. During that time I encountered a couple of drives that reported "excessive shock" right out of the package--after that I started ordering retail drives--it was worth a couple of bucks extra to be sure it was properly packaged. Arno -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Seagate Barracuda
larry moe 'n curly wrote:
TenPercent wrote: Hi, I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. Several months ago, I paid a final price of $20 for my 160G Seagate Barracuda 7200.7, $40 for my 200G Seagate, and I haven't noticed any local price differences among brands, except for Samsung, which I can't buy as cheaply because it's never sold with a rebate here. May I ask where you found those prices? -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Seagate Barracuda
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
TenPercent wrote: Hi, I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. Specifically, I was looking at the: "Seagate ST380013ARK Internal Barracuda 7200 RPM 80 GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive" If I buy this drive, can I expect to have very few bad blocks show up over the first couple of years? I'm kind of tired of using Linux's "badblocks" and "e2fsck" programs to isolate my current hard disk's bad blocks, which are showing up with more frequency. Thank you very much for any helpful insights. If bad blocks are showing up with increasing frequency then you need to replace the drive. This is the classic symptom of impending drive failure. You should not have to use "badblocks" or "e2fsck"--the drive should spare bad sectors transparently-- if it doesn't this suggests that its sparing has been used up which means that it is in _really_ bad shape. Ignore this troll, he knows better than that. Badly written 'bad' sectors are not spared automatically. So bad sectors showing is *NOT* necessarily a sign 'that its sparing has been used up'. A huge number of sector reallocations in SMART to the amount of the number of spares as documented in the drive's specs is the only indicator 'that its sparing has been used up'. Other signs may be that the drive has switched off it's write cache. I don't know where you're getting that 80 gig Barracudas go for twice the price of other 80 gig drives--Newegg lists Western Digital for $50, Seagate for $53, and Samsung for $59. Before you replace your drive make _sure_ that it is getting adequate clean power and adequate cooling--that means check voltages with a meter to make sure your motherboard is reporting them accurately then monitor for a while to make sure that they aren't dropping out of spec under load and check drive temperatures with a thermocouple probe or tempilstik. If you've got a power or cooling problem fixing it might correct the problem you're having with your existing drive. See, he knows better. Regardless of any of this, bad sectors after a year of operation is _not_ normal. It is when you have PowerSupply or cooling problems. Logical bad sectors developed during such incidents go away when these sectors are overwritten |
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Seagate Barracuda
This is the funny thing about my
hard disk. I run badblocks and it reports 41 bad blocks on /home. So I run "e2fsck -c -v /dev/hda10" so the bad block inodes will be placed in the bad blocks inode list. But after running "dumpe2fs -b /dev/hda10" to see the inode numbers of the bad blocks in the list, some of the 41 are NOT appearing in the list--some are but some are not. So I'm kind of confused about what's happening. Why wouldn't e2fsck place all 41 inode numbers in the list? Thanks. |
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Seagate Barracuda
J. Clarke wrote:
TenPercent wrote: Hi, I see the Seagate 80 gig barracuda sells for about twice the price of other 80 gig EIDE/ATA drives like Maxtor's and Western Digital's. If bad blocks are showing up with increasing frequency then you need to replace the drive. This is the classic symptom of impending drive failure. You should not have to use "badblocks" or "e2fsck"--the drive should spare bad sectors transparently--if it doesn't this suggests that its sparing has been used up which means that it is in _really_ bad shape. I don't know where you're getting that 80 gig Barracudas go for twice the price of other 80 gig drives--Newegg lists Western Digital for $50, Seagate for $53, and Samsung for $59. Before you replace your drive make _sure_ that it is getting adequate clean power and adequate cooling--that means check voltages with a meter to make sure your motherboard is reporting them accurately then monitor for a while to make sure that they aren't dropping out of spec under load and check drive temperatures with a thermocouple probe or tempilstik. If you've got a power or cooling problem fixing it might correct the problem you're having with your existing drive. Regardless of any of this, bad sectors after a year of operation is _not_ normal. Good advice here - I recently (two weeks ago) bought a new Seagate SATA drive - got lots of (about 20) bad blocks in the first couple of days. Realised that the PSU was the problem and replaced it. No new bad blocks now - system now working faster and better than before. John. |
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