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June 21st 05, 03:46 AM
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news-50.giganews.com wrote: Providing I have a powerful enough power supply: Can I put 2 SATA hard drives (one the master boot) on the SATA1 and SATA2 ports, 4 IDE hard drives on the primary and secondary IDE ports and I was thinking on getting these SATA to IDE adapters to use for my 3 DVD drives: http://www.cwol.com/serial-ata/seria...-converter.htm Will this setup work? And if so, where do I plug them into, the SATA3 and SATA4 ports, but that leaves me with another DVD drive to plug in. Will that go into the SATA_RAID port? I'm so confused... I would put the 3 DVD drives on the two Southbridge IDE ports. Take the 4 IDE drives and put them on a Promise Ultra133 TX2. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc... o.x=0&Go.y=0 By doing that, you won't need any SATA adapters of unknown quality. Some of the early adapter chips in the SATA adapters were crap, and you have to select carefully when buying those things. HTH, Paul 
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June 21st 05, 03:56 AM
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Can I put 4 IDE HDD's, 2 Sata HDD's and 3 DVD drives on an A8N-SLI Deluxe?
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:00:22 -0400, HST wrote:
Providing I have a powerful enough power supply: Can I put 2 SATA hard drives (one the master boot) on the SATA1 and SATA2 ports, 4 IDE hard drives on the primary and secondary IDE ports and I was thinking on getting these SATA to IDE adapters to use for my 3 DVD drives: http://www.cwol.com/serial-ata/seria...-converter.htm Will this setup work? And if so, where do I plug them into, the SATA3 and SATA4 ports, but that leaves me with another DVD drive to plug in. Will that go into the SATA_RAID port? I'm so confused... You can squeeze all those drives into a computer with an A8N-SLI, but I suspect that with that motherboard, you'd be better off buying a two-channel PCI IDE controller to connect the optical drives. 1 -- almost everyone who's tried running optical drives from the SATA controllers has experienced difficulty. Since some companies are now manufacturing SATA optical drives, the day will come when the firmware and drivers will run them, but I don't think that day is here yet for the A8N-SLI. 2 -- most folks have a lot of trouble getting anything but RAID arrays of SATA HDs to run on the Silicon-Image SATA controller. I think you're really asking for trouble if you try to do it the way you're thinking about. So, I think I'm probably speaking for everyone in asking what in the world you run on a computer that requires SIX hard drives and THREE optical drives??? I'm not sure you could cram all those cables into any case I've seen recently. I could heat my family room with a rig like that. You've really got me curious. Surely you could accomplish everything you need to do with two large SATA and two large IDE drives, judiciously partitioned and set up with wisely chosen logical drives, and surely you could do anything that needs to be done with two optical drives. Failing that, if absolutely necessary to have three optical drives, you should still be able to get by with one IDE drive and three SATAs or four SATAs. Ron
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June 21st 05, 04:45 AM
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In article , millerdot90
@SPAMlessosu.edu, milleron says... On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:00:22 -0400, HST wrote: Providing I have a powerful enough power supply: Can I put 2 SATA hard drives (one the master boot) on the SATA1 and SATA2 ports, 4 IDE hard drives on the primary and secondary IDE ports and I was thinking on getting these SATA to IDE adapters to use for my 3 DVD drives: http://www.cwol.com/serial-ata/seria...-converter.htm Will this setup work? And if so, where do I plug them into, the SATA3 and SATA4 ports, but that leaves me with another DVD drive to plug in. Will that go into the SATA_RAID port? I'm so confused... You can squeeze all those drives into a computer with an A8N-SLI, but I suspect that with that motherboard, you'd be better off buying a two-channel PCI IDE controller to connect the optical drives. Excellent suggestion on the controller card.....I would suggest, believe it or not, a Sil card, not promise for optical drives........ 1 -- almost everyone who's tried running optical drives from the SATA controllers has experienced difficulty. Since some companies are now manufacturing SATA optical drives, the day will come when the firmware and drivers will run them, but I don't think that day is here yet for the A8N-SLI. 2 -- most folks have a lot of trouble getting anything but RAID arrays of SATA HDs to run on the Silicon-Image SATA controller. I think you're really asking for trouble if you try to do it the way you're thinking about. Agreed......... So, I think I'm probably speaking for everyone in asking what in the world you run on a computer that requires SIX hard drives and THREE optical drives??? I myself have 5 optical drives & six HD's in my machine.....4 opticals are connected to my Silicon Image Sil 0860 ATA/133 Controller......I can burn 3cd's at once and the machine does not flinch....Im running an A7M266 board.........Still smokin' I'm not sure you could cram all those cables into any case I've seen recently. Sure you can if you have a 2ft high tower like I have....He, He... ;0) I could heat my family room with a rig like that. You've really got me curious. Surely you could accomplish everything you need to do with two large SATA and two large IDE drives, judiciously partitioned and set up with wisely chosen logical drives, and surely you could do anything that needs to be done with two optical drives. Depends, I make lots of copies of things.......... Failing that, if absolutely necessary to have three optical drives, you should still be able to get by with one IDE drive and three SATAs or four SATAs. Ron
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June 21st 05, 11:31 AM
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June 21st 05, 02:52 PM
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June 21st 05, 08:41 PM
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June 22nd 05, 03:02 AM
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:11:57 -0400, HST wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:56:05 GMT, milleron wrotf: So, I think I'm probably speaking for everyone in asking what in the world you run on a computer that requires SIX hard drives and THREE optical drives??? I'm not sure you could cram all those cables into any case I've seen recently. I could heat my family room with a rig like that. You've really got me curious. Surely you could accomplish everything you need to do with two large SATA and two large IDE drives, judiciously partitioned and set up with wisely chosen logical drives, and surely you could do anything that needs to be done with two optical drives. Failing that, if absolutely necessary to have three optical drives, you should still be able to get by with one IDE drive and three SATAs or four SATAs. Ron I do alot of downloading, about 5GB every night, then I sort out what I don't want/need and delete the junk saving the good stuff. It adds up  ) I also do alot of movie rendering and DVD ripping/burning, likeI said, it adds up )Currently besides the 6 hdd's I have on my system right now I have 2 more IEEE as well. The DVD drives are all burners, I guess I have way too much free time on my hands, he he he. I could like you said get 2 huge drives and settle all scores but I have a total of 8 drives, 6 that are installed now that have too much stuff that I have no time to burn to back them up. That's why I asked what I asked. I'm currently considering the A8N-SLI Deluxe with an X2 4800+ dual core and that's why I want to get my answers in now before I buy. Thanks for the advice. HST X2 4800+ -- GREAT choice, but it tells me that you're not on a limited budget. Just buy a couple of Seagate 7200.8 or Hitachi Deskstar 400GB SATA drives, or even three of them, and forget about the extra PCI controller(s) and the dozens of HDs you have. You can get three optical drives and more than a TERRABYTE of HD space on the A8N-SLI's controllers this way, and I defy you to use that up no matter how much junk you download, process, and burn. Ron
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June 22nd 05, 03:25 AM
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:53:38 -0400, HST wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:52:22 -0400, ByTor wrotf: Silicon Image SiI 0680 ATA/133 Controller I assumed you had seen it in my comments to milleron? Did you see my specs I posted? ok, I am a little confused, the Silicon Image controller you talk about, is that an actual PCI card or is it actually part of the motherboard, because when I do a search for it on Google, it's not showing me a specific card. and yes, I did see your comments and your specs, I'm still trying to understand the A8N-SLI motherboard fully before I take the leap buying it with my other planned purchases. There's a lot to understand. I'm not speaking from experience because mine will not be built until 96 hours from now, but I've spent hundreds of hours poring over the manual, this News group, and almost every forum on the Internet that discusses the board. The salient points for your situation a 1 -- don't count on using the SI SATA controller for anything but RAID. Since you're not anticipating RAID, I'd recommend not trying to allocate any drives to it during your planning phase. (I suppose that you could install more than one drive there with JBOD disk spanning, but that would force you to reformat those drives, and I don't think you want to do that.) 2 -- Don't plan on attaching any optical drives to the nVidia SATA controller, not even something like a Plextor SATA burner. This will change with newer nVidia chipset drivers, but I'm not aware that it has as yet. 3 -- Be sure to order the A8N-SLI Premium and NOT the A8N-SLI Deluxe. In case you're not familiar with the Premium, it replaces the southbridge fan with a heatpipe cooler that gets rid of all of the noise inherent to the board, itself, and hopefully makes the board more reliable. It uses different BIOS versions, and Asus has listed it as X2 compatible from its first iteration. If not for the recent advent of the Premium, Asus presumably would have come out with its next revision of the A8N-SLI Deluxe. Considering your almost unlimited budget, you do not want to buy a Deluxe. It would be like buying a revision 1.02 board when the 1.03 is already available.. There is no advantage to having lots of relatively small HDs compared to a few relatively large ones. You may need to burn three optical discs at once. I can't second guess you on that, but I sure hope that when you get this world-class dream-machine A8N-SLI x with an X2 4800+, you don't clog up the case with way more HDs and cables than is good for the power and cooling capacities of your PSU and case. That would seem like such a shame. Ron
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June 22nd 05, 03:54 AM
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In article , millerdot90
@SPAMlessosu.edu, milleron says... On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:53:38 -0400, HST wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:52:22 -0400, ByTor wrotf: Silicon Image SiI 0680 ATA/133 Controller I assumed you had seen it in my comments to milleron? Did you see my specs I posted? ok, I am a little confused, the Silicon Image controller you talk about, is that an actual PCI card or is it actually part of the motherboard, because when I do a search for it on Google, it's not showing me a specific card. and yes, I did see your comments and your specs, I'm still trying to understand the A8N-SLI motherboard fully before I take the leap buying it with my other planned purchases. There's a lot to understand. I'm not speaking from experience because mine will not be built until 96 hours from now, but I've spent hundreds of hours poring over the manual, this News group, and almost every forum on the Internet that discusses the board. The salient points for your situation a 1 -- don't count on using the SI SATA controller for anything but RAID. Since you're not anticipating RAID, I'd recommend not trying to allocate any drives to it during your planning phase. (I suppose that you could install more than one drive there with JBOD disk spanning, but that would force you to reformat those drives, and I don't think you want to do that.) 2 -- Don't plan on attaching any optical drives to the nVidia SATA controller, not even something like a Plextor SATA burner. This will change with newer nVidia chipset drivers, but I'm not aware that it has as yet. 3 -- Be sure to order the A8N-SLI Premium and NOT the A8N-SLI Deluxe. In case you're not familiar with the Premium, it replaces the southbridge fan with a heatpipe cooler that gets rid of all of the noise inherent to the board, itself, and hopefully makes the board more reliable. It uses different BIOS versions, and Asus has listed it as X2 compatible from its first iteration. If not for the recent advent of the Premium, Asus presumably would have come out with its next revision of the A8N-SLI Deluxe. Considering your almost unlimited budget, you do not want to buy a Deluxe. It would be like buying a revision 1.02 board when the 1.03 is already available.. There is no advantage to having lots of relatively small HDs compared to a few relatively large ones. You may need to burn three optical discs at once. I can't second guess you on that, but I sure hope that when you get this world-class dream-machine A8N-SLI x with an X2 4800+, you don't clog up the case with way more HDs and cables than is good for the power and cooling capacities of your PSU and case. That would seem like such a shame. Ron Thanks for putting it in a better technical perspective for myself also.....New boards are becoming more complex, less PCI slots, improved PCI, lesser relience on AGP, more focus on SATA/RAID.....etc....It appears the newer boards will cost more in the end run to stock the board itself.....Wondering when IDE will be fully dismissed? I'm sure my A7M266 board has hit the archives already, but damn I love this board, last of its kind I believe on the AMD 760 chipset, or maybe the A7M266- D? Anyway, I appreciate the explanation as it confirms my thoughts but on my limited understanding, I hear what you're saying but my education needs to be enhanced anyway....I never claim to be a hardware specialists but I know what works for me.........I clearly did not peek at the OP's board well enough.....Oh well, learn something new every day...... ;0) Cheers............
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June 22nd 05, 08:18 AM
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HST wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:25:49 GMT, milleron wrotf: There's a lot to understand. I'm not speaking from experience because mine will not be built until 96 hours from now, but I've spent hundreds of hours poring over the manual, this News group, and almost every forum on the Internet that discusses the board. The salient points for your situation a 1 -- don't count on using the SI SATA controller for anything but RAID. Since you're not anticipating RAID, I'd recommend not trying to allocate any drives to it during your planning phase. (I suppose that you could install more than one drive there with JBOD disk spanning, but that would force you to reformat those drives, and I don't think you want to do that.) 2 -- Don't plan on attaching any optical drives to the nVidia SATA controller, not even something like a Plextor SATA burner. This will change with newer nVidia chipset drivers, but I'm not aware that it has as yet. 3 -- Be sure to order the A8N-SLI Premium and NOT the A8N-SLI Deluxe. In case you're not familiar with the Premium, it replaces the southbridge fan with a heatpipe cooler that gets rid of all of the noise inherent to the board, itself, and hopefully makes the board more reliable. It uses different BIOS versions, and Asus has listed it as X2 compatible from its first iteration. If not for the recent advent of the Premium, Asus presumably would have come out with its next revision of the A8N-SLI Deluxe. Considering your almost unlimited budget, you do not want to buy a Deluxe. It would be like buying a revision 1.02 board when the 1.03 is already available.. There is no advantage to having lots of relatively small HDs compared to a few relatively large ones. You may need to burn three optical discs at once. I can't second guess you on that, but I sure hope that when you get this world-class dream-machine A8N-SLI x with an X2 4800+, you don't clog up the case with way more HDs and cables than is good for the power and cooling capacities of your PSU and case. That would seem like such a shame. Ron Ron, thank you for taking the time to write back, here's my deal with questions as well. I'm not on an unlimited budget but my wife has agreed to let me spend 2 grand to get my sorry ass Intel 2.0 up to speed just as long as I do the dishes more, take out the garbage more and get her a nice 10 year wedding ring this August, he he he. I do plan on the X2 4800+ just as soon as Newegg or Zipzoomfly gets them in stock. I also plan on 2GB (1GB per stick times 2 sticks because I hear the board doesn't work well with all 4 slots used up) Corsair Twin XMS 3200 LL Pro DDR 400 ram, am I ok so far? I want the ATI All In Wonder X600 Pro SLI (don't laugh) because I want to hook up 2 monitors, one main one and the other for watching TV and recording shows and stuff. Two Western Digital Raptor 74GB drives for the SATA ports, one the main boot drive (SATA1 and SATA2) am I ok on that? Now, about the other IDE drives I have installed now, I can go out like you said and get some huge drives but I have sooooooooo much valuable stuff on these drives, 700GB total that I have no time at all to burn them/it to DVD's, so I'm taking the lazy way out. The only reason I'm getting the Raptors is so I can have a fast boot drive and I hope to render and encode movies from one Raptor to the other without any problems. I do not plan on Raid as you already know from your reply. I have 2 DVD burners and a CDR burner (don't ask me why I still use it) and I'm still trying to decide how to hook them up. Am I rambling on or are you with me )I hear you on the Premium and not the Deluxe but the Asus website doesn't have any info on it, have you seen it anywhere? I just saw one at Fry's here in Las Vegas. I think the price was around $189. Will I hook up all the drives besides the Raptors as JBOD like you mentioned or does that mean I have to reformat for sure? How else would I hook them up without losing all my data? HST
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