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Old April 6th 08, 11:00 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Scotty Davis
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM

Hi, I just built a system using an Asus PK5-VM motherboard and an
E2180 cpu. I have a Thermaltake fan and heatsink and 2 case fans in
the case. I'm relatively new at overclocking.


What can I reasonably expect to push this thing to without better
cooling? I'm not looking for anything too grand, I'd just like to game
at a higher level. I'd like to get 3.0 out of it if possible.

What should I set the bios settings at?

FBS?
Ratio?
Voltage?

Thanks.

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Old April 9th 08, 05:59 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
~misfit~[_3_]
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM

Somewhere on teh intarweb "Scotty Davis" typed:
Hi, I just built a system using an Asus PK5-VM motherboard and an
E2180 cpu. I have a Thermaltake fan and heatsink and 2 case fans in
the case. I'm relatively new at overclocking.


What can I reasonably expect to push this thing to without better
cooling? I'm not looking for anything too grand, I'd just like to game
at a higher level. I'd like to get 3.0 out of it if possible.

What should I set the bios settings at?

FBS?
Ratio?
Voltage?

Thanks.


Are those settings available in the BIOS?

I always believed that the -VM series of Asus motherboards were
business-oriented/low-end market and had virtually no overclocking options.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.


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Old April 9th 08, 06:44 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
DonC
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM



"~misfit~" wrote in message
...
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Scotty Davis" typed:
Hi, I just built a system using an Asus PK5-VM motherboard and an
E2180 cpu. I have a Thermaltake fan and heatsink and 2 case fans in
the case. I'm relatively new at overclocking.


What can I reasonably expect to push this thing to without better
cooling? I'm not looking for anything too grand, I'd just like to game
at a higher level. I'd like to get 3.0 out of it if possible.

What should I set the bios settings at?

FBS?
Ratio?
Voltage?

Thanks.


Are those settings available in the BIOS?

I always believed that the -VM series of Asus motherboards were
business-oriented/low-end market and had virtually no overclocking
options.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.


I have a "-VM" series board (M2NPV-VM). It has full overclocking
capabilities. CPU frequency, multiplier, voltage, or OC steps
(5%-10%-etc.), FSB, memory voltage and so on. I don't see any
"business-oriented/low-end market" characteristics you speak of.



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Old April 9th 08, 09:54 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Paul
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM

DonC wrote:


I have a "-VM" series board (M2NPV-VM). It has full overclocking
capabilities. CPU frequency, multiplier, voltage, or OC steps
(5%-10%-etc.), FSB, memory voltage and so on. I don't see any
"business-oriented/low-end market" characteristics you speak of.


That warning is given, to encourage people to download the user
manual *before* they buy a motherboard. I don't know how many
times people will come looking for overclocking settings, only
to discover they cannot even set the CPU input clock in the
BIOS. There are motherboards, which are only suited to business
systems, which is why you read the manual before buying.

As for setting them up, even without the manual there is a
simple recipe. (I overclocked my A7N8X-E without reading the
manual, and this is how...)

1) If you see something with "AI Overclock" or "AI Tune" or
the like in the BIOS, and the default is "Auto", change it
to "Manual". For each setting that you put in a "Manual" mode,
extra settings should appear on the BIOS screen. At takes
about 30 minutes of blind checking of BIOS screens, to find
all the things to set to manual, and learn how your BIOS works.

2) For instant satisfaction, change the CPU input clock by 5MHz.
I.e. If the CPU input clock was 200MHz, change it to 205MHz.
Go to the Exit menu and "Save and Exit" the BIOS. Reboot
and use CPUZ (from cpuid.com) to verify the increase in
frequency. Now you're overclocking :-) The reason for taking
such a "baby step", is to ensure it doesn't crash on the
first try.

Part of the overclocker creed, is figuring out the best
settings yourself. Even if it means reading a few postings
on a forum like this one. There is a wealth of information
here.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/

HTH,
Paul
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Old April 10th 08, 12:30 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
~misfit~[_3_]
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM

Somewhere on teh intarweb "Paul" typed:
DonC wrote:


I have a "-VM" series board (M2NPV-VM). It has full overclocking
capabilities. CPU frequency, multiplier, voltage, or OC steps
(5%-10%-etc.), FSB, memory voltage and so on. I don't see any
"business-oriented/low-end market" characteristics you speak of.


That warning is given, to encourage people to download the user
manual *before* they buy a motherboard.


Yep. That coupled with the fact that the OP either has a really rare board
that I can't find details on or he in fact means a P5K-VM.

If he does mean a P5K-VM then it's a uATX board with what appears to be only
3 or 4 phase un-sinked PWM for the CPU. Any serious overclocker will know
that uATX boards aren't the best choice for overclocking and that 3/4 phase
PWMs are boderline for a fast C2D yet alone overclocking one. Yet it seems
that Asus are promoting this board as being C2Q capable! shudder I'd hate
to hold my finger on one of those bare MOSFETs when it was running a C2Q and
doing some work. However, that said, it should handle OCing an E2xxx or an
E1xxx.

As for "DonC" (who's post I'm yet to see. Maybe he resides in my killfile?)
saying he doesn't see any business oriented/low-end market characteristics
(obviously other than the uATX format and the on-board graphics) then he
hasn't read the manual. On page 14, where it lists package contents, it
lists things and says in brackets (Retail version only) after some. This
(IME) isn't common with consumer-grade mobos and usually denotes that they
are able to be bought in 'packs' of 10/50/100/1000 for system builders.

However, good has come of this. I see now that Asus are adding overclocking
options to their previously un-overclockable budget VM range although the
target customer for that range remains smaller OEMs and non-power users. If
I were building a bunch of machines for a business I might not consider the
Asus VM range anymore though, although they're priced accordingly
(especially in bulk). Who would want the to risk the chance that
office-workers would get into the BIOS and try to overclock their (possibly
mission-critical) machine? A nightmare for support staff. Asus need to
decide exactly where they're 'placing' their products. We used to joke that
"VM" stood for "Vanilla Model", however now it sems that Asus are trying to
straddle the fence with this range of boards. Never a good move, they
usually end up doing nothing well.

Anyway, a suggestion for the OP. Google is your friend:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1274769
--
Shaun.


  #6  
Old April 10th 08, 02:24 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
DonC
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM



"~misfit~" wrote in message
...
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Paul" typed:
DonC wrote:


I have a "-VM" series board (M2NPV-VM). It has full overclocking
capabilities. CPU frequency, multiplier, voltage, or OC steps
(5%-10%-etc.), FSB, memory voltage and so on. I don't see any
"business-oriented/low-end market" characteristics you speak of.


That warning is given, to encourage people to download the user
manual *before* they buy a motherboard.


Yep. That coupled with the fact that the OP either has a really rare board
that I can't find details on or he in fact means a P5K-VM.

If he does mean a P5K-VM then it's a uATX board with what appears to be
only 3 or 4 phase un-sinked PWM for the CPU. Any serious overclocker will
know that uATX boards aren't the best choice for overclocking and that 3/4
phase PWMs are boderline for a fast C2D yet alone overclocking one. Yet it
seems that Asus are promoting this board as being C2Q capable! shudder
I'd hate to hold my finger on one of those bare MOSFETs when it was
running a C2Q and doing some work. However, that said, it should handle
OCing an E2xxx or an E1xxx.

As for "DonC" (who's post I'm yet to see. Maybe he resides in my
killfile?) saying he doesn't see any business oriented/low-end market
characteristics (obviously other than the uATX format and the on-board
graphics) then he hasn't read the manual. On page 14, where it lists
package contents, it lists things and says in brackets (Retail version
only) after some.


Why would boring ole me be in anybody's killfile? ; )

I was specifically referring to the M2MPV-VM which I own -- along with the
manual which I most certainly have read.

I guess any MB that isn't overclocked or used heavily for serious gaming is
considered BO/LE ; )





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Old April 10th 08, 05:01 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Michael W. Ryder
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM

DonC wrote:


"~misfit~" wrote in message
...
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Paul" typed:
DonC wrote:


I have a "-VM" series board (M2NPV-VM). It has full overclocking
capabilities. CPU frequency, multiplier, voltage, or OC steps
(5%-10%-etc.), FSB, memory voltage and so on. I don't see any
"business-oriented/low-end market" characteristics you speak of.


That warning is given, to encourage people to download the user
manual *before* they buy a motherboard.


Yep. That coupled with the fact that the OP either has a really rare
board that I can't find details on or he in fact means a P5K-VM.

If he does mean a P5K-VM then it's a uATX board with what appears to
be only 3 or 4 phase un-sinked PWM for the CPU. Any serious
overclocker will know that uATX boards aren't the best choice for
overclocking and that 3/4 phase PWMs are boderline for a fast C2D yet
alone overclocking one. Yet it seems that Asus are promoting this
board as being C2Q capable! shudder I'd hate to hold my finger on
one of those bare MOSFETs when it was running a C2Q and doing some
work. However, that said, it should handle OCing an E2xxx or an E1xxx.

As for "DonC" (who's post I'm yet to see. Maybe he resides in my
killfile?) saying he doesn't see any business oriented/low-end market
characteristics (obviously other than the uATX format and the on-board
graphics) then he hasn't read the manual. On page 14, where it lists
package contents, it lists things and says in brackets (Retail version
only) after some.


Why would boring ole me be in anybody's killfile? ; )


It may be that his news server is filtering posts by domain to cut down
on spam. I was using Cox Cable's news server when they did this and
over a third of all the posts were missing. It was very hard to read a
thread when someone replied to a non-existent post without any quoting.


I was specifically referring to the M2MPV-VM which I own -- along with
the manual which I most certainly have read.

I guess any MB that isn't overclocked or used heavily for serious gaming
is considered BO/LE ; )





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Old April 10th 08, 01:58 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
~misfit~[_3_]
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM

Somewhere on teh intarweb "DonC" typed:
"~misfit~" wrote in message
...
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Paul" typed:
DonC wrote:


I have a "-VM" series board (M2NPV-VM). It has full overclocking
capabilities. CPU frequency, multiplier, voltage, or OC steps
(5%-10%-etc.), FSB, memory voltage and so on. I don't see any
"business-oriented/low-end market" characteristics you speak of.


That warning is given, to encourage people to download the user
manual *before* they buy a motherboard.


Yep. That coupled with the fact that the OP either has a really rare
board that I can't find details on or he in fact means a P5K-VM.

If he does mean a P5K-VM then it's a uATX board with what appears to
be only 3 or 4 phase un-sinked PWM for the CPU. Any serious
overclocker will know that uATX boards aren't the best choice for
overclocking and that 3/4 phase PWMs are boderline for a fast C2D
yet alone overclocking one. Yet it seems that Asus are promoting
this board as being C2Q capable! shudder I'd hate to hold my
finger on one of those bare MOSFETs when it was running a C2Q and
doing some work. However, that said, it should handle OCing an E2xxx
or an E1xxx. As for "DonC" (who's post I'm yet to see. Maybe he resides
in my
killfile?) saying he doesn't see any business oriented/low-end market
characteristics (obviously other than the uATX format and the
on-board graphics) then he hasn't read the manual. On page 14, where
it lists package contents, it lists things and says in brackets
(Retail version only) after some.


Why would boring ole me be in anybody's killfile? ; )


Heh! I have no idea what you may or may not get up to in other groups that I
frequent. ;-)

I was specifically referring to the M2MPV-VM which I own -- along
with the manual which I most certainly have read.


Yes. However, isn't that board also uATX with on-board graphics? Not long
ago boards such as those were the domain of business or bare-bones machines,
specifically designed for situations where the budget's tight, so you don't
have to shell out for graphics/sound/NIC....

I guess any MB that isn't overclocked or used heavily for serious
gaming is considered BO/LE ; )


Make that any uATX board with on-board everything and you're getting closer
to the mark.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.


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Old April 10th 08, 02:00 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
~misfit~[_3_]
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM

Somewhere on teh intarweb "Michael W. Ryder" typed:
DonC wrote:


"~misfit~" wrote in message
...
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Paul" typed:
DonC wrote:


I have a "-VM" series board (M2NPV-VM). It has full overclocking
capabilities. CPU frequency, multiplier, voltage, or OC steps
(5%-10%-etc.), FSB, memory voltage and so on. I don't see any
"business-oriented/low-end market" characteristics you speak of.


That warning is given, to encourage people to download the user
manual *before* they buy a motherboard.

Yep. That coupled with the fact that the OP either has a really rare
board that I can't find details on or he in fact means a P5K-VM.

If he does mean a P5K-VM then it's a uATX board with what appears to
be only 3 or 4 phase un-sinked PWM for the CPU. Any serious
overclocker will know that uATX boards aren't the best choice for
overclocking and that 3/4 phase PWMs are boderline for a fast C2D
yet alone overclocking one. Yet it seems that Asus are promoting
this board as being C2Q capable! shudder I'd hate to hold my
finger on one of those bare MOSFETs when it was running a C2Q and
doing some work. However, that said, it should handle OCing an
E2xxx or an E1xxx. As for "DonC" (who's post I'm yet to see. Maybe he
resides in my
killfile?) saying he doesn't see any business oriented/low-end
market characteristics (obviously other than the uATX format and
the on-board graphics) then he hasn't read the manual. On page 14,
where it lists package contents, it lists things and says in
brackets (Retail version only) after some.


Why would boring ole me be in anybody's killfile? ; )


It may be that his news server is filtering posts by domain to cut
down on spam.


[snip]

Or it could be gremlins. I saw that post you replied to just fine and I very
rarely have those head-scratching moments where there's a post missing.
Hence the speculation about my bulging killfile. (I have many, many
people/nicks killfiled who crosspost excessively or are simply trolls.)

Chairs,
--
Shaun.


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Old April 10th 08, 07:23 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
DonC
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Default OCing an E2180 on a PK5-VM



"~misfit~" wrote in message
...
Somewhere on teh intarweb "DonC" typed:
"~misfit~" wrote in message
...
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Paul" typed:
DonC wrote:


I have a "-VM" series board (M2NPV-VM). It has full overclocking
capabilities. CPU frequency, multiplier, voltage, or OC steps
(5%-10%-etc.), FSB, memory voltage and so on. I don't see any
"business-oriented/low-end market" characteristics you speak of.


That warning is given, to encourage people to download the user
manual *before* they buy a motherboard.

Yep. That coupled with the fact that the OP either has a really rare
board that I can't find details on or he in fact means a P5K-VM.

If he does mean a P5K-VM then it's a uATX board with what appears to
be only 3 or 4 phase un-sinked PWM for the CPU. Any serious
overclocker will know that uATX boards aren't the best choice for
overclocking and that 3/4 phase PWMs are boderline for a fast C2D
yet alone overclocking one. Yet it seems that Asus are promoting
this board as being C2Q capable! shudder I'd hate to hold my
finger on one of those bare MOSFETs when it was running a C2Q and
doing some work. However, that said, it should handle OCing an E2xxx
or an E1xxx. As for "DonC" (who's post I'm yet to see. Maybe he resides
in my
killfile?) saying he doesn't see any business oriented/low-end market
characteristics (obviously other than the uATX format and the
on-board graphics) then he hasn't read the manual. On page 14, where
it lists package contents, it lists things and says in brackets
(Retail version only) after some.


Why would boring ole me be in anybody's killfile? ; )


Heh! I have no idea what you may or may not get up to in other groups that
I frequent. ;-)

I was specifically referring to the M2MPV-VM which I own -- along
with the manual which I most certainly have read.


Yes. However, isn't that board also uATX with on-board graphics? Not long
ago boards such as those were the domain of business or bare-bones
machines, specifically designed for situations where the budget's tight,
so you don't have to shell out for graphics/sound/NIC....

I guess any MB that isn't overclocked or used heavily for serious
gaming is considered BO/LE ; )


Yes it's a uATX with on-board graphics but so what? I was after a
reasonably priced and well rated board that supported both SATA and IDE
drives, had reasonably flexible BIOS parameters, DVI output, and preferably
a parallel port . I could have cared less about its size and on-board
goodies that I could simply ignore.

As planned, I added a PCI-Express card which I would have used on any other
board I would have purchased.

So for about $95 all my needs were met. I guess my bottom line is that the
OP needs to detail his specific needs and search for a matching MB. IMHO,
Newegg user reviews are far more useful than meaningless classifications
assigned by posters who don't own the board in question.

Cheers





 




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