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David Maynard wrote: [snip] That's why I prefer Slot-1 BX boards for Tualatins - the adapter gives you adjustable VID and FSB without resorting to 'ambitious' modifications. Yeah, unless you're using the 'super slocket III" (modified, of course). Don't those things need modification to work at all? :-) (I won't use an adapter without voltage clamps) Besides, I thought you pined for the 'old fashion' days of tape and solder IMHO overclocking was more fun back when soldering in a faster crystal was the only option, but I'm happy as long as I get to mess with the hardware. Keyboard overclocking just doesn't cut it for me.... |
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~misfit~ wrote: P2B wrote: IME Tualatins don't respond to Vcore increases anyway - at least not on BX boards. Every Tually I've tested tops out at around 1650Mhz, and won't go any further even if you increase Vcore to dangerous levels. OTOH, most of my Tuallies will do over 1600 at 1.35v, and would probably go even lower except Vcore tends to exhibit increasing ripple below 1.4v on BX boards. Thanks for the input, it's good to 'talk' with someone who has a bit of experience with these things. The really ambitious have been known to break the motherboard traces to the socket and wire in their own DIP switches for the VID and FSB signals to make both adjustable. That's why I prefer Slot-1 BX boards for Tualatins - the adapter gives you adjustable VID and FSB without resorting to 'ambitious' modifications. What adapter P2B? I like BX boards and have a couple here. However I think that they need the odd capacitor replaced. I like the Upgradeware Slot-T - it'll run any Coppermine or Tualatin, fits anywhere a Slot-1 CPU will, has nice clean signals up to at least 150Mhz FSB, and is readily available at reasonable prices. The only thing it's missing is a jumper to select which pin you want to use for bus request in a dual CPU system - but I've taken advantage of that too, just sold my 40th pair of dual-modded Slot-Ts :-) P2B |
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Spajky wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:14:52 +1200, "~misfit~" wrote: Also, Spajky, what speed do you have your Tui at and how many marks does it get with CPUMark99 on a BX? 1.0A@1,35G I tested it with PCMark2002 & I get 3400 points ... CPUMark99, 1.0A@1500Mhz = 132 CPUMark99, P3-S@1575Mhz = 143 (both on a P2B-S) More Tualatin on BX benchmarks at tipperlinne.com/benchmark.htm P2B |
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P2B wrote:
David Maynard wrote: [snip] That's why I prefer Slot-1 BX boards for Tualatins - the adapter gives you adjustable VID and FSB without resorting to 'ambitious' modifications. Yeah, unless you're using the 'super slocket III" (modified, of course). Don't those things need modification to work at all? :-) That IS why I said "modified, of course." Cheaper than buying a new one and they're dern near the only 'non-tualatin' slotket let. (I won't use an adapter without voltage clamps) Besides, I thought you pined for the 'old fashion' days of tape and solder IMHO overclocking was more fun back when soldering in a faster crystal was the only option, but I'm happy as long as I get to mess with the hardware. Keyboard overclocking just doesn't cut it for me.... Of course. Feels more like you're accomplishing something if it isn't just a push button operation, 'built-in' no less. |
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P2B wrote:
Spajky wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:14:52 +1200, "~misfit~" wrote: Also, Spajky, what speed do you have your Tui at and how many marks does it get with CPUMark99 on a BX? 1.0A@1,35G I tested it with PCMark2002 & I get 3400 points ... CPUMark99, 1.0A@1500Mhz = 132 CPUMark99, P3-S@1575Mhz = 143 (both on a P2B-S) More Tualatin on BX benchmarks at tipperlinne.com/benchmark.htm Wow! Those are good numbers. I might have to have another attempt at getting one of these Tuis to work in a BX board. I wish I could find a couple of P2B's. I checked your page, your CPUMark figure for a Tui Celeron 1400 (14 x 100) of 123 is amazing. I tried the same CPU in this board I have and got 87.3. Huge difference. -- ~misfit~ |
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P2B wrote:
~misfit~ wrote: P2B wrote: IME Tualatins don't respond to Vcore increases anyway - at least not on BX boards. Every Tually I've tested tops out at around 1650Mhz, and won't go any further even if you increase Vcore to dangerous levels. OTOH, most of my Tuallies will do over 1600 at 1.35v, and would probably go even lower except Vcore tends to exhibit increasing ripple below 1.4v on BX boards. Thanks for the input, it's good to 'talk' with someone who has a bit of experience with these things. The really ambitious have been known to break the motherboard traces to the socket and wire in their own DIP switches for the VID and FSB signals to make both adjustable. That's why I prefer Slot-1 BX boards for Tualatins - the adapter gives you adjustable VID and FSB without resorting to 'ambitious' modifications. What adapter P2B? I like BX boards and have a couple here. However I think that they need the odd capacitor replaced. I like the Upgradeware Slot-T - it'll run any Coppermine or Tualatin, fits anywhere a Slot-1 CPU will, has nice clean signals up to at least 150Mhz FSB, and is readily available at reasonable prices. The only thing it's missing is a jumper to select which pin you want to use for bus request in a dual CPU system - but I've taken advantage of that too, just sold my 40th pair of dual-modded Slot-Ts :-) I might have to buy one and give it a try, thanks. -- ~misfit~ |
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Spajky wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:14:52 +1200, "~misfit~" wrote: Also, Spajky, what speed do you have your Tui at and how many marks does it get with CPUMark99 on a BX? 1.0A@1,35G I tested it with PCMark2002 & I get 3400 points ... Thanks. -- ~misfit~ |
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:21:59 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote: CPUMark figure for a Tui Celeron 1400 (14 x 100) of 123 is amazing. I tried the same CPU in this board I have and got 87.3. mine 1.0A@1,35G CPUMark99 score 118 looks like that Fsb doesn´t matter much & also not L2 much for this bench; its almost proportional to Cpu clock (on the same chipset) ... -- Regards, SPAJKY ® & visit my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" E-mail AntiSpam: remove ## |
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Spajky wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:21:59 +1200, "~misfit~" wrote: CPUMark figure for a Tui Celeron 1400 (14 x 100) of 123 is amazing. I tried the same CPU in this board I have and got 87.3. mine 1.0A@1,35G CPUMark99 score 118 looks like that Fsb doesn´t matter much & also not L2 much for this bench; its almost proportional to Cpu clock (on the same chipset) ... Yep, I think I'm gonna have to do without something or other for a week or two and save the money for a Slot-T to put in an MSI 6163 Pro (with blue sticker). I have a Tualatin Celeron 1.4Ghz in my drawer doing nothing and a couple of 6163's, although one of them has a couple of caps bulging slightly (The two biggest ones near the ATX connector and power FET's) and won't run Coppermines anymore. Must get some replacement caps and try to replace them. Didn't you replace a cap or two on your 6163 Pro Spajky? Was it one of those ones? Cheers, -- ~misfit~ |
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:17:50 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote: caps bulging slightly (The two biggest ones near the ATX connector and power FET's) and won't run Coppermines anymore. Must get some replacement caps and try to replace them. there are a lot of dead MoBos around to canibalize them & use parts .. :-) Didn't you replace a cap or two on your 6163 Pro Spajky? Was it one of those ones? I was replacing caps few times partially till now, because I was replacing only bulged ones & now almost all are replaced behind the slotket & some others too! Some of them for the second time & maybe tomorrow will replace again one the third time, because its top is heating to much @ heavy tasks (up to 60°C). My experience for replacing caps: take phisically bigger (thicker & taller if you can put them in) ones with greater capacity & voltage for one value, especially the first left (back slash situated) two after a toroidal coil (seen from the front way). So will heat less!!! & last longer! ALSO solder on these 2 ones terminals on the back bottom of a MoBO a small (thin) 100nF block capacitor, so will heat even less! There between 1st ram slot & slot 1 on the left from chipset close to unused MoBo mounting hole is a small mosfet transistor which heats up to 70°C (remember I have fans @5V , case closed & is summer here); so I soldered on its metal base soldered to MoBo additional small piece of metal to act as an additional HS I did not wanted to open my setup, but 3 weeks ago here was a storm & I encountered a close lightning hit & had not much damage because I have few surge protectors, but could not handle this time fully so strong strike (was a real BigBANG). My neighbors around my house had much much more damage! w/o that my surge protectors, now I would not have anything to repair. After a week or two later problems with my machine started to manifest (illegal ops with Agent often for example) ...(bulged caps, one almost exploded) Still have some problems with my PSU (in the meantime I repaired it, than tried some mod & made a short & there was a true :-) firework in my kitchen, repaired it again, but I think I would get a new one soon cause IMHO it heats more than it used too sometimes Yep, this July for me was quite an andrenaline fullfiled month ... :-) -- Regards, SPAJKY ® & visit my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" E-mail AntiSpam: remove ## |
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