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Printers survive 83 alone
In message , VanguardLH
writes: micky wrote: I might have posted here 3 months ago looking for help on how to schedule a print job for every month I was gone, so my inkjet printer heads wouldn't dry out. For long term storage, keep the cartridges humidified. Take the cartridges out of the printer, put them (nozzles up) in an airtight plastic tub that has a lid. Do NOT use a plastic bag. Put a damp cloth in the tub and attach lid. Store the tub out of sunlight, like in a drawer. A long time ago, some printers used to come with a humidor for that purpose. I think mainly the ones that could use either a large black cartridge, or a small one with colour cartridges, and the humidor was for storing the one(s) you weren't using. While the cartridges are stored outside the printer, pull the power cord to the printer to prevent it from running a self-test or calibration at periodic intervals or when repowering (by you because you powered it off during non-use or after a power outage). My aunt complained about ink getting dumped into a waste tank (aka diaper aka spittoon) every time she powered up her Epson. Also, different printers waste different Some - I know at least one Brother model did - "count" how much goes into the waste tank/pad/whatever, and eventually refuse to work, on the basis that the level in it has reached the point where it is likely to cause smearing - even if it isn't actually doing so. For that particular model, we found at least one video on YouTube telling you how to reset that counter (it didn't involve doing anything with the hardware, just software actions); obviously it didn't actually empty the tank, so in theory the printer _would_ eventually start smearing. (Actually emptying the tank is I understand not too practical, involving breaking into parts of the printer it's beyond the home user to repair afterwards.) [] I dislike printers that have the heads separate of the cartridges. I want new heads when I put in new cartridges. I print maybe once per I'm in two minds about that: I know what you mean, but it does tend to make the cartridges more expensive. At least one make - I think it was Xerox - used to have a removable head that itself had removable tanks; that was the best of both worlds - you normally just replaced the inner tank, but could replace the outer container (which included the head) when necessary. I very much doubt any make/model still has that arrangement, though I'd like to be pleasantly surprised. [] formulation or pay royalty to use someone else's. "printer ink must be formulated to withstand heating to 300 degrees, vaporization, and being squirted at 30 miles per hour, at a rate of 36,000 drops per second, through a nozzle one third the size of a human hair. After all that it must dry almost instantly on the paper.¡ (statement by HP). Another factor is archival quality: how well the ink will last on the paper. Ink is the other "black gold". There are also the two ways of squirting the ink: piezoelectric and thermal. Piezo uses tiny crystals in the head - I don't think it involves heating at all, though I wouldn't be surprised if they _get_ at least warm; in thermal, the heads actually contain tiny resistors (heaters) that boil a bubble in the actual ink itself, the pressure of which forces the ink out. I am pretty certain that at one time, EPSON were the only ones using the piezo method (I think they had a patent on it); I don't know if that is still the case. The piezo heads are more expensive to make, so are usually part of the printer. If you have one of the resistive types of printer where the heads _are_ part of (and thus replaced with) the cartridge, you can experiment with refilling without too much concern, as if all else fails you just replace the cartridge (and thus head) as you would have done anyway; for piezo printers, you have to be more careful about using dubious ink, as if things go wrong you're stuck with replacing part of the printer. (For those wondering: piezoelectric materials are materials that actually change shape if you apply electricity to them, or generate electricity if you squeeze them; they used to have two common uses - microphones [and record-player cartridges], where the squeeze-to-make-electricity was used; and quartz [mainly] crystals, where both properties are used in an oscillator circuit to make something that works at a precise frequency related to the mechanical dimensions of the piece of quartz. Now piezo printers are another widespread use of these materials; you can also get desk fans that use them, instead of a motor, but such are more a novelty than a widespread use.) For inkjet printing, I've come across CISS - continuous ink supply systems; these use a set of four big bottles that stand beside the printer, feeding four tiny pipes that go to dummy cartridges (which presumably have some sort of electronics that keep the printer and/or driver software happy). I presume there must be _some_ snag with these, as I've rarely seen them in use - the cynic in me thinks it's subject to the continuing arms race between the manufacturers over the chips/firmware in the cartridges, but I suppose there could be practical reasons too. I once - probably ten or more years ago! - saw such a system operating at a computer fair: the owner had left the printer running, churning out high-density colour pictures, unattended, in a way nobody would ever have done with cartridges. _Maybe_ large-quantity users just all go to colour laser (which produces better, and certainly more durable, output anyway - just tends to be a more expensive [both to buy and to maintain] printer). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go. - Oscar Wilde |
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Printers survive 83 alone
In comp.periphs.printers, on Sat, 3 Jun 2017 22:46:10 +0100, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , micky writes: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 3 Jun 2017 18:17:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: [] _Some_ printers, if you leave them powered, will start up, and clean the heads, at intervals - I think some of them once a day; people have come back after a _long_ time away and found that the printer has used up a complete set of cartridges doing this. Are you sure yours didn't just do that? No, not sure at all! Wasn't even saying otherwise. I didnt' think of that, but that's probably it. I don't like it doing that once a day. Once a week or once every two or three weeks would be often enough, I would think. But it was better to do it however often than while I was away for 80 days than to have to buy a new printer. BTW, was supposed to be titled Printers survive 83 days alone. The "once a day" was just off the top of my head; I don't know if any do Okay, thanks. I have to leave the printer plugged in. For a while the computer was in the basement and the pritner on the second floor, but even now it's in the next room. Too much trouble to get up and plug it in. But since I've been using the really cheap ink, the ink used in periodic cleaning** isn't a concern. I'll see how long my luck lasts with the really cheap ink. **It may still be annoying if I don't print for a month and I have to replace a carttridge that is empty anyhow. it that often. But I think I did have one printer that disconcertingly woke up and did something occasionally, if you left the power connected. [] --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:03:42 +1200, Frank Williams
wrote: On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:42:35 -0400, Alek wrote: micky wrote on 3/6/2017 11:03 AM: I might have posted here 3 months ago looking for help on how to schedule a print job for every month I was gone, so my inkjet printer heads wouldn't dry out. I spend over an hour the night before I left trying to write a bat file that woudl do this, but I failed^^. So I was very happy when I returned, printed a test pattern I'd downloaded 3 months ago, and it came out just about perfect. All the more strange since the black and yellow? heads on one of them had dried out in February and I had to soak them in alcohol with a paper towel slipped under the heads. (The process worked well. Details on request). Requesting details, please. To stop your print heads from drying out make sure that the printer is OFF, not at the Wall at the printer, as this caps the pint heads. I brought a Epson R390 recently, had been stored for 2 years, replaced a faulty cartridge that was locking up the printer, the printer prints OK after 2 year in storage. Having the printer turned on causes the print heads to dry out, as they are not capped. I was given a nice ink jet printer with five ink cartridges. It had been stored so long even the unopened cartridges were useless. I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:30:36 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar
wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:03:42 +1200, Frank Williams wrote: On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:42:35 -0400, Alek wrote: micky wrote on 3/6/2017 11:03 AM: I might have posted here 3 months ago looking for help on how to schedule a print job for every month I was gone, so my inkjet printer heads wouldn't dry out. I spend over an hour the night before I left trying to write a bat file that woudl do this, but I failed^^. So I was very happy when I returned, printed a test pattern I'd downloaded 3 months ago, and it came out just about perfect. All the more strange since the black and yellow? heads on one of them had dried out in February and I had to soak them in alcohol with a paper towel slipped under the heads. (The process worked well. Details on request). Requesting details, please. To stop your print heads from drying out make sure that the printer is OFF, not at the Wall at the printer, as this caps the pint heads. I brought a Epson R390 recently, had been stored for 2 years, replaced a faulty cartridge that was locking up the printer, the printer prints OK after 2 year in storage. Having the printer turned on causes the print heads to dry out, as they are not capped. I was given a nice ink jet printer with five ink cartridges. It had been stored so long even the unopened cartridges were useless. I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. Update. The toner light has gone out presumably due to the toner drying out. |
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Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:30:36 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:03:42 +1200, Frank Williams wrote: On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:42:35 -0400, Alek wrote: micky wrote on 3/6/2017 11:03 AM: I might have posted here 3 months ago looking for help on how to schedule a print job for every month I was gone, so my inkjet printer heads wouldn't dry out. I spend over an hour the night before I left trying to write a bat file that woudl do this, but I failed^^. So I was very happy when I returned, printed a test pattern I'd downloaded 3 months ago, and it came out just about perfect. All the more strange since the black and yellow? heads on one of them had dried out in February and I had to soak them in alcohol with a paper towel slipped under the heads. (The process worked well. Details on request). Requesting details, please. To stop your print heads from drying out make sure that the printer is OFF, not at the Wall at the printer, as this caps the pint heads. I brought a Epson R390 recently, had been stored for 2 years, replaced a faulty cartridge that was locking up the printer, the printer prints OK after 2 year in storage. Having the printer turned on causes the print heads to dry out, as they are not capped. I was given a nice ink jet printer with five ink cartridges. It had been stored so long even the unopened cartridges were useless. I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. Update. The toner light has gone out presumably due to the toner drying out. ******* begin quote ******* a. Do not take a new toner cartridge out of the protective bag until it is ready to be used. b. When you take the toner cartridge out of the printer for servicing the printer or other purposes, place the toner cartridge into the original protective bag, or wrap it with a thick cloth immediately. [Light-sensitive belt...] c. Do not place it vertically or upside-down. Store the toner cartridge in the same orientation as when installed in the printer. [Toner leakage...] d. Do not store the toner cartridge in a place exposed to direct sunlight. [Light-sensitive belt...] e. Do not store cartridges in a hot or humid place, or a place where the temperature and humidity can change significantly. Storing environment temperatu 0 to 35°C (32 to 95°F) --- [pretty low temp limit!!!] Storing humidity range: 35 to 85 % RH (no condensation) f. Do not store the toner cartridge in a place where corrosive gases, such as ammonia, are generated, or where a considerable amount of salt is contained in the air, or where there is a lot of dust. [So no lasers at the seashore.] ******* end quote ******* The 85% RH is pretty generous, the temperature range, not so much. You can see in some of the text in this patent, which direction the design of toner is headed in. According to this, they're trying to push toner down to lower-temperature fusing, which may account for the low storage temperature in the above quoted text. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0131652.html The patent content helps fill in some of the less-defined details in this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner While the outside layer of the toner particle may be the same as in previous generations, the composition can be quite a bit more complex. Maybe it's the color toner that has all the technical innovation ? Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:30:36 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: [] I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. Update. The toner light has gone out presumably due to the toner drying out. ******* begin quote ******* [] e. Do not store cartridges in a hot or humid place, or a place where the temperature and humidity can change significantly. Storing environment temperatu 0 to 35°C (32 to 95°F) --- [pretty low temp limit!!!] Storing humidity range: 35 to 85 % RH (no condensation) [] The 85% RH is pretty generous, the temperature range, not so much. [] Might be low for you: in most of England, we hardly ever see temperatures that high, except perhaps for a few days in July and August; I _think_ I'm right in saying we don't see 35 at all most years! (28.0°C [82.4°F] here now after sunny all day so far, and I'm in Kent.) I suppose a store cupboard in an uncooled room could get well above that. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf age. fac ut gaudeam. |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:46:15 -0400, Paul
wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:30:36 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:03:42 +1200, Frank Williams wrote: On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:42:35 -0400, Alek wrote: micky wrote on 3/6/2017 11:03 AM: I might have posted here 3 months ago looking for help on how to schedule a print job for every month I was gone, so my inkjet printer heads wouldn't dry out. I spend over an hour the night before I left trying to write a bat file that woudl do this, but I failed^^. So I was very happy when I returned, printed a test pattern I'd downloaded 3 months ago, and it came out just about perfect. All the more strange since the black and yellow? heads on one of them had dried out in February and I had to soak them in alcohol with a paper towel slipped under the heads. (The process worked well. Details on request). Requesting details, please. To stop your print heads from drying out make sure that the printer is OFF, not at the Wall at the printer, as this caps the pint heads. I brought a Epson R390 recently, had been stored for 2 years, replaced a faulty cartridge that was locking up the printer, the printer prints OK after 2 year in storage. Having the printer turned on causes the print heads to dry out, as they are not capped. I was given a nice ink jet printer with five ink cartridges. It had been stored so long even the unopened cartridges were useless. I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. Update. The toner light has gone out presumably due to the toner drying out. ******* begin quote ******* a. Do not take a new toner cartridge out of the protective bag until it is ready to be used. b. When you take the toner cartridge out of the printer for servicing the printer or other purposes, place the toner cartridge into the original protective bag, or wrap it with a thick cloth immediately. [Light-sensitive belt...] c. Do not place it vertically or upside-down. Store the toner cartridge in the same orientation as when installed in the printer. [Toner leakage...] d. Do not store the toner cartridge in a place exposed to direct sunlight. [Light-sensitive belt...] e. Do not store cartridges in a hot or humid place, or a place where the temperature and humidity can change significantly. Storing environment temperatu 0 to 35°C (32 to 95°F) --- [pretty low temp limit!!!] Storing humidity range: 35 to 85 % RH (no condensation) f. Do not store the toner cartridge in a place where corrosive gases, such as ammonia, are generated, or where a considerable amount of salt is contained in the air, or where there is a lot of dust. [So no lasers at the seashore.] ******* end quote ******* The 85% RH is pretty generous, the temperature range, not so much. You can see in some of the text in this patent, which direction the design of toner is headed in. According to this, they're trying to push toner down to lower-temperature fusing, which may account for the low storage temperature in the above quoted text. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0131652.html The patent content helps fill in some of the less-defined details in this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner While the outside layer of the toner particle may be the same as in previous generations, the composition can be quite a bit more complex. Maybe it's the color toner that has all the technical innovation ? Paul Is it OK if the toner light on my Brother monochrome laser printer flashes for a short while and should I wait for the toner light to go out before printing? |
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Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:46:15 -0400, Paul wrote: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:30:36 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:03:42 +1200, Frank Williams wrote: On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 11:42:35 -0400, Alek wrote: micky wrote on 3/6/2017 11:03 AM: I might have posted here 3 months ago looking for help on how to schedule a print job for every month I was gone, so my inkjet printer heads wouldn't dry out. I spend over an hour the night before I left trying to write a bat file that woudl do this, but I failed^^. So I was very happy when I returned, printed a test pattern I'd downloaded 3 months ago, and it came out just about perfect. All the more strange since the black and yellow? heads on one of them had dried out in February and I had to soak them in alcohol with a paper towel slipped under the heads. (The process worked well. Details on request). Requesting details, please. To stop your print heads from drying out make sure that the printer is OFF, not at the Wall at the printer, as this caps the pint heads. I brought a Epson R390 recently, had been stored for 2 years, replaced a faulty cartridge that was locking up the printer, the printer prints OK after 2 year in storage. Having the printer turned on causes the print heads to dry out, as they are not capped. I was given a nice ink jet printer with five ink cartridges. It had been stored so long even the unopened cartridges were useless. I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. Update. The toner light has gone out presumably due to the toner drying out. ******* begin quote ******* a. Do not take a new toner cartridge out of the protective bag until it is ready to be used. b. When you take the toner cartridge out of the printer for servicing the printer or other purposes, place the toner cartridge into the original protective bag, or wrap it with a thick cloth immediately. [Light-sensitive belt...] c. Do not place it vertically or upside-down. Store the toner cartridge in the same orientation as when installed in the printer. [Toner leakage...] d. Do not store the toner cartridge in a place exposed to direct sunlight. [Light-sensitive belt...] e. Do not store cartridges in a hot or humid place, or a place where the temperature and humidity can change significantly. Storing environment temperatu 0 to 35°C (32 to 95°F) --- [pretty low temp limit!!!] Storing humidity range: 35 to 85 % RH (no condensation) f. Do not store the toner cartridge in a place where corrosive gases, such as ammonia, are generated, or where a considerable amount of salt is contained in the air, or where there is a lot of dust. [So no lasers at the seashore.] ******* end quote ******* The 85% RH is pretty generous, the temperature range, not so much. You can see in some of the text in this patent, which direction the design of toner is headed in. According to this, they're trying to push toner down to lower-temperature fusing, which may account for the low storage temperature in the above quoted text. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2017/0131652.html The patent content helps fill in some of the less-defined details in this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner While the outside layer of the toner particle may be the same as in previous generations, the composition can be quite a bit more complex. Maybe it's the color toner that has all the technical innovation ? Paul Is it OK if the toner light on my Brother monochrome laser printer flashes for a short while and should I wait for the toner light to go out before printing? The light comes on for a reason. Does it have a feed mechanism or agitation ? We used to pull the cartridge out of some of the equipment at work, and *gently* tilt from side to side, to get the last drop out of it. If you were careless, you got a bit dirty :-) On that gear, the toner light was likely to come on and stay on. Unless you performed the ceremony. Your worst fear, you see, was going to the stock cabinet, and not finding a replacement toner waiting for you. I think Santa Claus used to bring them, because I could never see anybody re-fill the cabinet. When you use the unit for a while, you tend to develop a feel for the "feeding habit" of the unit. Is the behavior you saw, something that only appeared after the high humidity interval ? Or has it always been a bit of a sluggard, and enters the "I need toner" state, when all it needed to do was wait a bit ? Not even the most detailed service manual, will admit "the design is twitchy", but the users soon figure that out :-) With my ink jet, I still haven't developed a model of what it's doing. There will be LED flashing, grinding, carriage movement, and I haven't been able to "count" all the actions and figure out "yes, after 39 seconds, it'll be ready". So the ink jets take the cake for randomness. Just when you think it's ready, more "carriage movement" and cleaning noises will come out of the thing again. I think the unit waits until you speak an expletive, before it stops. Paul |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:08:53 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:30:36 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: [] I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. Update. The toner light has gone out presumably due to the toner drying out. ******* begin quote ******* [] e. Do not store cartridges in a hot or humid place, or a place where the temperature and humidity can change significantly. Storing environment temperatu 0 to 35°C (32 to 95°F) --- [pretty low temp limit!!!] Storing humidity range: 35 to 85 % RH (no condensation) [] The 85% RH is pretty generous, the temperature range, not so much. [] Might be low for you: in most of England, we hardly ever see temperatures that high, except perhaps for a few days in July and August; I _think_ I'm right in saying we don't see 35 at all most years! (28.0°C [82.4°F] here now after sunny all day so far, and I'm in Kent.) Britain has never (well whilst the Met Office has been recording it) had 40°C 2003 record (in your area!) down the page he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faversham I suppose a store cupboard in an uncooled room could get well above that. -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug |
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Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:08:53 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul writes: Lucifer Morningstar wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:30:36 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote: [] I suppose a laser printer could be stored forever due to not having any ink, or could the drum or toner be damaged? Can the toner absorb moisture? I just switched on my Brother Laser printer and the toner light is flashing even though it printed a test page OK and it shows 50% toner remaining. The weather has been very damp lately. Update. The toner light has gone out presumably due to the toner drying out. ******* begin quote ******* [] e. Do not store cartridges in a hot or humid place, or a place where the temperature and humidity can change significantly. Storing environment temperatu 0 to 35°C (32 to 95°F) --- [pretty low temp limit!!!] Storing humidity range: 35 to 85 % RH (no condensation) [] The 85% RH is pretty generous, the temperature range, not so much. [] Might be low for you: in most of England, we hardly ever see temperatures that high, except perhaps for a few days in July and August; I _think_ I'm right in saying we don't see 35 at all most years! (28.0°C [82.4°F] here now after sunny all day so far, and I'm in Kent.) Britain has never (well whilst the Met Office has been recording it) had 40°C 2003 record (in your area!) down the page he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faversham I suppose a store cupboard in an uncooled room could get well above that. It's the temperature in the cupboard that counts. Old houses have pretty good solar gain on a cloudless summer day. And 35C is two degrees short of human blood temperature, to put it in perspective. You can't even go to sleep at night, hugging your toner cartridge. It might get too warm. Paul |
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