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bought non-wireless priinter by mistake
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:46:02 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: If there are two new Apple computers, I don't understand trying to get Tiger and XP to work with the printer, unless they just want to make it work for whatever reason. Something I've been known to do. I'm not sure if he has an apple laptop. I lost track of his story, and of course whatever he said, he may have returned it after that, if he even bought one. (My own memory isn't so hot these days either.) The only laptop I know he's used is the PC. I had him convinced that it wouldn't be much effort to get out of bed and plug the rpinter into it -- that was the first part of my OP, if just pulling the USB plug could do any harm -- but he also though 21 dollars for the print server was worth it. |
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On 12/9/14 2:41 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:46:02 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: If there are two new Apple computers, I don't understand trying to get Tiger and XP to work with the printer, unless they just want to make it work for whatever reason. Something I've been known to do. I'm not sure if he has an apple laptop. I lost track of his story, and of course whatever he said, he may have returned it after that, if he even bought one. (My own memory isn't so hot these days either.) I know how this goes, I've given up trying to keep track of what goes on with my inlaws systems. It's a case where the old adage (Too many cooks spoil the pot.) is a perfect fit. The only laptop I know he's used is the PC. I had him convinced that it wouldn't be much effort to get out of bed and plug the rpinter into it -- that was the first part of my OP, if just pulling the USB plug could do any harm -- but he also though 21 dollars for the print server was worth it. As long as he doesn't want to share files without doing a modern day version of sneakernet, it sounds like the print server is a great solution for him. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 33.1 Thunderbird 31.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 12/9/14 2:35 PM, micky wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:42:49 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/8/14 9:29 PM, micky wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:00:07 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/7/14 1:59 PM, micky wrote: snip If he has a new Mac desktop, a new Mac laptop, and an iPad, why bother with the old stuff? It seems a waste of time to me. See below. Back when my Mac was new, I took it to my inlaws to show them a Mac. They are all Windows users. Their son brought his HP XP laptop. It took me about 10 minutes to get connected to their network. It took their son 3 hours to get his XP laptop connected. No joke. I don't know if this is related. I took an old IBM Thinkpad on a car trip to Dallas and most motels had a password I was supposed to enter. I could almost never get it to work if there was a passwords. This was running winME! Now like my friend I have an Acer netbook running XP and it connects just fine. The engine failed near Ashville, N.C and if I didn't have a computer to shop for another car, I would have had to go buy one. In this case, and my nephew's case, hardware may also be part of the problem. I think this is a downside of the "open" way MS has done things, some thing no one seems to talk about. Someone puts out an accessory card that's somehow just a little bit different than what the programming expects, and the system fails. But Apple's "walled garden" approach seems to keep this to a minimum. I was once rebuilding a Gateway desktop to give away, XP for the OS. After installing OS updates, the computer would not shut down. Tracked the issue down to a particular high security update. Leave it out, worked fine. MS offered free tech support for this update, and I kept escalating it up the food chain until I was dealing with MS engineers in New Delhi, India, who finally gave up on the problem. I'm no trained tech, but I sat and watched how the computer reacted, and a couple weeks later I said to myself "I wonder what would happen if.......") I put in an older Ethernet card, and everything worked fine. IMO, you guys are wasting your time with getting the old equipment to work together. No, I was talking about getting the new equipment installed and working. He wants wireless so he can print easily from the laptop, wherever he is at the time. I"m sorry I was confusing. Sorry here too, I should have said "getting the old equipment to work together with the new printer. If you set up the new stuff, and if he has an Apple account, all three Apple products should talk to each other without a hitch. For Apple apps, lets say the notepad, if you enter something into the notepad app on the desktop, in a couple of minutes the data you entered will be downloaded to the laptop and iPad. And vice-versa. Caveat... The age and model of the iPad may be an issue. I'm not a big Apple user, no iPad, no iPhone, no iPod, etc. I don't buy a product because it's Apple, I buy what fits my needs/desires/wants. My tablet is a Google Nexus 7, which is Android. :-) I ended up buying the wireless print server that no one else bid on, for 15 + 6 dolllars. It 's going to take months his new stuff running, but this is a start. ?????? The last sentence isn't making any sense to me. It shouldn't take much time at all to get the new stuff running, if it's all Apple. It will because it's still in the box. It's been in the box for 2 months and will remain there who knows how long. And it will depend on how familiar you are with the Mac way of doing things, too. Unless the problem is one of simply getting together to do it. G Yeah, that's it. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 33.1 Thunderbird 31.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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micky wrote: Oh, and an Ipad. Micky- Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB. There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem (PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing. There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time you want to print from the iPad. Fred |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:48:34 -0500, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article , micky wrote: Oh, and an Ipad. Micky- Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB. Ugh. There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem (PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers (BTW, this reminds me. He doesn't have an apple laptop after all, I think. He has an apple ipad, or whatever by apple is called a tablet. I don't like to be pushy in helping him, because every guy likes to do things themselves if they can. Plus I don't know much about apple stuff. I'd like to learn, but on someone who is more desperate than he is.) that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing. There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time you want to print from the iPad. He might be leaving it on anyhow. I wouldn't do that but I don't tell him he shouldn't. And from what you say, it might turn out to be a good thing. I'll keep the words AirPrint in mind. Fred |
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On 12/10/14 11:48 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article , micky wrote: Oh, and an Ipad. Micky- Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB. There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem (PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing. There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time you want to print from the iPad. Fred, Does the iPad have a print to PDF option like OS X? I don't have an iPad, so no clue. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 33.1 Thunderbird 31.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 12/10/14 7:48 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:48:34 -0500, Fred McKenzie wrote: In article , micky wrote: Oh, and an Ipad. Micky- Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB. Ugh. I should have asked Fred in my reply to him if this applies to all iPads, or just some of the older ones. There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem (PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers (BTW, this reminds me. He doesn't have an apple laptop after all, I think. He has an apple ipad, or whatever by apple is called a tablet. I don't like to be pushy in helping him, because every guy likes to do things themselves if they can. Plus I don't know much about apple stuff. I'd like to learn, but on someone who is more desperate than he is.) The iPad is Apple's tablet, and there's a smaller version called the iPad Mini. that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing. There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time you want to print from the iPad. He might be leaving it on anyhow. I wouldn't do that but I don't tell him he shouldn't. And from what you say, it might turn out to be a good thing. I'll keep the words AirPrint in mind. Fred -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 33.1 Thunderbird 31.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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bought non-wireless priinter by mistake
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Ken Springer wrote: On 12/10/14 11:48 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote: In article , micky wrote: Oh, and an Ipad. Micky- Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB. There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem (PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing. There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time you want to print from the iPad. Fred, Does the iPad have a print to PDF option like OS X? I don't have an iPad, so no clue. Ken- Yes, it applies to all iPads. The original iPad could not print when it first came out. An early revision to the iOS added AirPrint capability. I have an old iPad 2, but it runs the latest iOS 8.1.2. It does not have a "print to PDF" option, but there are paid Apps that claim to provide that. (I think PrintCentral can be upgraded to do that for a price.) One program that can share a computer printer as AirPrint over the network, is Printopia (for Macintosh) at http://www.ecamm.com/mac/printopia/. If you need more info on iPads, try the comp.mobile.ipad newsgroup. There is also an Apple forum at https://discussions.apple.com/community/ipad/using_ipad. Fred |
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On 12/12/14 1:34 PM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article , Ken Springer wrote: On 12/10/14 11:48 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote: In article , micky wrote: Oh, and an Ipad. Micky- Next you will find that the iPad will not print to the USB printer, even though it is on the network. The iPad uses the AirPrint system, which only works over Ethernet or WiFi, NOT USB. There are iPad Printing Apps that can get around the problem (PrintCentral for example), and Apps from various printer manufacturers that work with their printers. However they can not be used from within other Apps unless they have an "Open In" or "Open Using" option. They have their own web browsing, mail and photo functions to enable printing. There are also programs that run on your computer to share its printer as AirPrint over the network. The computer must be turned on any time you want to print from the iPad. Fred, Does the iPad have a print to PDF option like OS X? I don't have an iPad, so no clue. Ken- Yes, it applies to all iPads. The original iPad could not print when it first came out. An early revision to the iOS added AirPrint capability. I have an old iPad 2, but it runs the latest iOS 8.1.2. It does not have a "print to PDF" option, but there are paid Apps that claim to provide that. (I think PrintCentral can be upgraded to do that for a price.) One program that can share a computer printer as AirPrint over the network, is Printopia (for Macintosh) at http://www.ecamm.com/mac/printopia/. If you need more info on iPads, try the comp.mobile.ipad newsgroup. There is also an Apple forum at https://discussions.apple.com/community/ipad/using_ipad. Thanks, Fred, I was just curious about the iPad. I had been planning on buying an iPad Mini until I saw the Google Nexus 7. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 33.1 Thunderbird 31.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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bought non-wireless priinter by mistake
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:18:12 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: On 12/9/14 2:35 PM, micky wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:42:49 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/8/14 9:29 PM, micky wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:00:07 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/7/14 1:59 PM, micky wrote: snip If he has a new Mac desktop, a new Mac laptop, and an iPad, why bother with the old stuff? It seems a waste of time to me. See below. Back when my Mac was new, I took it to my inlaws to show them a Mac. They are all Windows users. Their son brought his HP XP laptop. It took me about 10 minutes to get connected to their network. It took their son 3 hours to get his XP laptop connected. No joke. I don't know if this is related. I took an old IBM Thinkpad on a car trip to Dallas and most motels had a password I was supposed to enter. I could almost never get it to work if there was a passwords. This was running winME! Now like my friend I have an Acer netbook running XP and it connects just fine. The engine failed near Ashville, N.C and if I didn't have a computer to shop for another car, I would have had to go buy one. In this case, and my nephew's case, hardware may also be part of the problem. I think this is a downside of the "open" way MS has done things, some thing no one seems to talk about. Someone puts out an accessory card that's somehow just a little bit different than what the programming expects, and the system fails. But Apple's "walled garden" approach seems to keep this to a minimum. I was once rebuilding a Gateway desktop to give away, XP for the OS. After installing OS updates, the computer would not shut down. Tracked the issue down to a particular high security update. Leave it out, worked fine. MS offered free tech support for this update, and I kept escalating it up the food chain until I was dealing with MS engineers in New Delhi, India, who finally gave up on the problem. I'm no trained tech, but I sat and watched how the computer reacted, and a couple weeks later I said to myself "I wonder what would happen if.......") I put in an older Ethernet card, and everything worked fine. I don't think I would have figured that out. I think you know more than I do. IMO, you guys are wasting your time with getting the old equipment to work together. No, I was talking about getting the new equipment installed and working. He wants wireless so he can print easily from the laptop, wherever he is at the time. I"m sorry I was confusing. Sorry here too, I should have said "getting the old equipment to work together with the new printer. If you set up the new stuff, and if he has an Apple account, all three Apple products should talk to each other without a hitch. For Apple apps, lets say the notepad, if you enter something into the notepad app on the desktop, in a couple of minutes the data you entered will be downloaded to the laptop and iPad. And vice-versa. Caveat... The age and model of the iPad may be an issue. I'm not a big Apple user, no iPad, no iPhone, no iPod, etc. I don't buy a product because it's Apple, I buy what fits my needs/desires/wants. My tablet is a Google Nexus 7, which is Android. :-) I ended up buying the wireless print server that no one else bid on, for 15 + 6 dolllars. It 's going to take months his new stuff running, but this is a start. ?????? The last sentence isn't making any sense to me. It shouldn't take much time at all to get the new stuff running, if it's all Apple. It will because it's still in the box. It's been in the box for 2 months and will remain there who knows how long. And it will depend on how familiar you are with the Mac way of doing things, too. Very little. Let me ask you a question. He was going away and worried about burglars breaking in and stealing his computer. I told him a much greater risk was harddrive failure and he should get a backup drive. He said Yes. Because of what's below** I lent him a 1.5TB internal drive and a BlacX caddy, and we connected it together and he bought and installed SuperDuper. I tried to look at the backup it made, but because I know so little about Mac, I didn't know if I was looking at the original or thte backup. But he continued to run SuperDuper, with scheduled backups. Months later something went wrong and his old in and out email was missing. He looked, he said, on the backup and it wasn't there either. There seemed to be a chance that it had run and made the backup just like the original, no email. But it wasn't scheduled to run. I didn't know what to say or do. A month ago when my harddrive started clicking, I rushed to get my HD and caddy back to make full backups. I looked at the drive first and it had no partitions. I'm not stupid enough to give it to him that way, and he's not technical enough to delete a partition (but the subject is a sore one with me, even though we talked often and he hasn't complained again, so I haven't asked him.) Then I found out that Mac and MS have no partition designs in common. And I don't remember partitioning the drive at his house. I'm sure I checked this before I gave the HD to him, but even if I didn't, how could we/he run SuperDuper without its complaining that it couldn't write to the harddrive. It didn't complain at all. And I know it gave a list of drives to choose one for the To: drive and the external drive was on the list. What happened? **I ordered one from the big store in NYC, J&R or the other one with two initials. and after they shipped it, I read online that it didn't work right with what he had, even though most of the same company's drives did. They gave me my money back with no problem, but then I didn't buy anything else. 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