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JK wrote:
Stacey wrote: JK wrote: You seem to be obsessed with those early test results for a 1.6 ghz Athlon 64, for which it appears that SSE2 was probably not properly enabled. They were very preliminary results for an early prototype, that are not indicative of how the final production line chips will perform. Very soon we should have benchmarks for the one way Opterons. So now you're going to compare server chips to desktops ones? If they are within the same price range as a higher end P4 solution for the platform(CPU, motherboard, and ram) then it is a fair comparion. Unless they are missing desktops "normal" things like AGP ports etc.. -- Stacey |
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I'd like to see the performance difference between the computers jocking for
64bit position & once again there's more computer than the average person really needs except if you are becoming a scientist. BBoppie "John Johnson" wrote in message ... Power challenge of new Macs By Ian Hardy BBC ClickOnline Apple released its latest desktop machine with all the usual pizzazz, with Chief Executive Steve Jobs claiming the Power Mac G5 to be "the world's fastest personal computer". But can we take his word for it? Nick Stam, Director of PC Magazine's testing laboratory in New York is not convinced quite yet. In 1998 he successfully challenged Apple's claims that the original iMac was faster than a Windows machine under certain conditions. So is the new G5 truly the world's faster personal computer? "You take that with a grain of salt because you don't know what they're presenting in the benchmark up there," said Mr Stam. "We don't have a system to test ourselves and we know there is all kind of tweaking that can be done and that's the big issue right now." Steve Jobs also made a big announcement about the G5 processor, ahead of competitors such as chip maker AMD. "The 64-bit revolution has begun and the personal computer will never be the same again," said Mr Jobs in his address last week to Apple devotees in San Francisco. "The new Power Mac G5 combines the world's first 64-bit desktop processor, the industry's first 1GHz front-side bus and up to 8GB of memory to beat the fastest Pentium 4 and dual Xeon-based systems in industry-standard benchmarks and real-world professional applications." But his statement about being the first 64-bit machine has to be taken in context. "Of course it isn't shipping yet. It's not shipping for a couple of months. So they're not first-to-market today as Steve said," said Mr Stam. "AMD may likely decide to come out in August instead of September with their new desktop Athlon 64. It's bragging rights is what it is, and that's what Steve is great at." Hardcore fans True Macintosh believers see things a different way. POWER MAC G5 SPECS 1.6 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 800 MHz front-side bus 256MB 333 MHz Dual Channel (128-bit) DDR 4 DIMMs, 4GB maximum memory 80GB Serial ATA hard drive NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra-64MB DDR US retail price - $1,999 For people like Matt Cohen, co-owner of Tekserve, an Apple reseller in Manhattan, comparing Macs and PCs is a long-established yet meaningless tradition, especially to his customers. "I don't think that the PC market is their competition, in that sense," said Mr Cohen. "The performance and the ease-of-use of a Mac operating system is at the forefront of his argument." Apple is currently on a roll after recovering from such problematic products as the Cube computer. They now have a growing list of recent achievements which customers crave. It goes on with Apple's online music store iTunes and its chain of US stores have also been doing very well. "When Apple agree that a standard makes sense, they embrace it," said Mr Cohen. "I'm actually quite impressed that Apple is able to innovate new standards that they then make accessible to the rest of the computing community as well." Challenges ahead Just days before the official launch of the G5, details of the new machine were posted on the Apple website for a few seconds. But Mr Jobs even turned that major blunder into a promotional slogan calling it a premature specification. Apple's CEO delivered his presentation as if no-one in the audience had heard the rumours. Yet the biggest question still remains - can Apple generate enough excitement in the coming months from developments such as its new Panther operating system and its iSight video web camera to increase market share from a miniscule 3.5%? That is where big announcements and banner headlines really play their part. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...gy/3044824.stm Published: 2003/07/05 07:32:57 GMT © BBC MMIII |
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:44:52 GMT, "Boppie" wrote:
I'd like to see the performance difference between the computers jocking for 64bit position There are some more important things to reflect on, than some 5-15% difference in performance. The G5 will have 3-4% of the market. If it gets 4%, it's a hell of an achievement and Jobs and Apple is going to be over the roof. I'm sure the G5 is brilliant in relation to its transistor count and clockspeed. Motorolas cpus have been the best designs there are, for more than 20 years now. But I can't see it taking over the PC market. The PC market will go either of two ways. AMD's way, in which case the Athlon64/WindowsXP64 succeeds in making a relevant market penetration. This will force Intel to release their own secret 86-64 compatible cpu, and invest massive work in it, in order to make it competitive. After that things will basicly progress as today. AMD should be somewhat stronger though. The other way is the one Intel prefers. AMD dies and goes away. Intel can then control and completely restructure the cpu market. What they will do then is to spread out the performance spectrum and make price/performance more linear. While we today have more than 50% performance increase per year, you can expect that to slow to 10-20% for desktop machines, anyway, not more than Intel needs in order to sell new cpus and keep Motorola/Apple out. Progress might pick up again once the desktop is moved down the ladder, since the highend still competes with the likes of Sun. But I expect Intels main motivator to force people to "upgrade" will be new features like copyright locked software & media that requires new hardware features inside the cpu to unlock and run new apps and content. Finally this will also allow them to delay 64-bit technology until they can move their Itanium down market. Having succeeded in migrating the PC desktop to the Itanium::: - They will have the entire world by the balls! ancra |
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:44:52 GMT, "Boppie" wrote:
& once again there's more computer than the average person really needs except if you are becoming a scientist. This would be a good idea for a triva competition: - How many citations, that paraphrases this, can we find in the history of computing. ;-) ancra |
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"Ancra" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:44:52 GMT, "Boppie" wrote: I'd like to see the performance difference between the computers jocking for 64bit position There are some more important things to reflect on, than some 5-15% difference in performance. The G5 will have 3-4% of the market. If it gets 4%, it's a hell of an achievement and Jobs and Apple is going to be over the roof. I'm sure the G5 is brilliant in relation to its transistor count and clockspeed. Motorolas cpus have been the best designs there are, for more than 20 years now. But I can't see it taking over the PC market. The PC market will go either of two ways. AMD's way, in which case the Athlon64/WindowsXP64 succeeds in making a relevant market penetration. This will force Intel to release their own secret 86-64 compatible cpu, and invest massive work in it, in order to make it competitive. After that things will basicly progress as today. AMD should be somewhat stronger though. The other way is the one Intel prefers. AMD dies and goes away. Intel can then control and completely restructure the cpu market. What they will do then is to spread out the performance spectrum and make price/performance more linear. While we today have more than 50% performance increase per year, you can expect that to slow to 10-20% for desktop machines, anyway, not more than Intel needs in order to sell new cpus and keep Motorola/Apple out. Progress might pick up again once the desktop is moved down the ladder, since the highend still competes with the likes of Sun. But I expect Intels main motivator to force people to "upgrade" will be new features like copyright locked software & media that requires new hardware features inside the cpu to unlock and run new apps and content. Finally this will also allow them to delay 64-bit technology until they can move their Itanium down market. Having succeeded in migrating the PC desktop to the Itanium::: - They will have the entire world by the balls! ancra I agree with most of what you say. Although I have only built Intel machines, I appreciate AMD for having forced Intel to continually upgrade their cpu. I believe, as you apparently do, that were it not for AMD we would still be running 600 MHz Pentiums. There is a physics law that describes this best, " A body at rest tends to remain at rest until acted upon by an outside force." -- PWY |
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