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Biostar M7NCG 400 MoBo wAMD3300_any Ngroup for help
"Bud in FL" wrote in message ... Is there a NG for this Moboard? Purchased TIGER's BareBone special last week. I'm up & running but have a few questions not answered in the very slim-manual or nothing in FAQ on their home site. I saw the solution, I think, while looking at the multiple reviews for this board, but now I can't find that site with the 250+ reviews. It has to do with the 400 FSB settings in the BIOS [maybe?] at half rate in order for it to show correct results. Mine read at posting "Freq for DDR 333" when it is "Ultra's DDR Memory 1024MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz"....The jumper on the MoBo is soldered over & the settings for OC are in the BIOS,, but which & what? Thanxs for any pointers SPAM-KILLER- If you really want to contact me, then -budinflatcfldotrrdotcom DDR400 RAM is run at an actual clock speed of 200MHz. Most mainboards will allow you to run asynchronously, meaning that your RAM speed is in no way related to any other component. Your BIOS is telling you that the RAM is running at 166MHz (DDR333). Your RAM is under-clocked, which is not good. It's POSSIBLE that your RAM is being clocked in relation to your Processor "FSB", which could be 166MHz, if it is an older Sempron (3000 or lower). BUT, any processor you bought last week should PROBABLY be running at some multiple of 200MHz. It looks like your CPU or RAM or possibly BOTH have been incorrectly identified by BIOS. Try the following: Remove CMOS battery and move CMOS jumper to CLEAR setting for about 15 minutes. After that, enter BIOS and load default settings (not optimized default settings). If your system reboots and still shows DDR333 for RAM, Enter the BIOS settings for RAM manually, changing the frequency to 200MHz. If simply upping the frequency to 200MHz causes a problem, then you've got defective (misidentified?) RAM or a defective mainboard or possibly you might need a BIOS upgrade already. (!) -Dave |
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Biostar M7NCG 400 MoBo wAMD3300_any Ngroup for help
Thanks for the reply Dave,,, I did as you suggested & moved CMOS jumper,Waited with power unpluged & replaced, then booted into BIOS. I can not find the "default" settings for a couple of the choices. The AWARD Bios is dated 12/24/2005 Version 6.0 PG,,,NCG 1221 BF 400. It showed Processor AMD XP 1100Mhz MEMORY 1015808k OK + 32M shared. Freq for DDR 333.. This CPU is AMD Sempron 3300+ should be 2G. The choices in BIOS a System Perform [Optimal-Expert] CPU Ratio ,,[Default- or x5..to x12.5] FSB Freq,,[ I set to 200] CPU interface,,[Optimal- Auto] Memory Freq,,,[by SPD-Auto] what is" spd"?? Resulting Freq....= 166Mhz Memory Timings...[Optmal-Expert] If I change the System Perform to EXPERT..then CPU Interface becomes,,Agressive & the Mem Freq can be 200 in AUTO Resulting Freq gets 400.. Trouble is It stalls & will not boot. The only way I can get it to boot is Hit "Insert Key" & Turn on power at same time. That sets it back to low readings to boot. The DDR 200 reading gives me a tan screen with verticle dark lines & sometime a black screen with white blips in rows accross the screen. I wonder if this board is not equiped to take RAM 400Mhz?? The manual calls forRAM Access Time: 2.5V Unbuffered DDR 200/266/333 MHz Type required. DRAM Type:46MB/128MB/256MB/1 GB DIMM module (184 pin).. I intend to try a stick of DDR 333 256MB to see what it does. The System Properties reads AMD Athlon,,,,I thought it was like XP 1100 Mhz DDR 200 or something else before but shows 1.10 Ghz 992MB of RAM. Thanks for any ideas, Bud SPAM-KILLER- If you really want to contact me, then -budinflatcfldotrrdotcom ****. Ummmm . . . From what you just wrote, it appears that your RAM is OK, but you've got a bigger problem (MUCH bigger). I just reviewed the Biostar web site because at first what you wrote didn't make any sense at all. How could a BIOS have a 200MHz setting and only support DDR333 RAM??? But, it appears that is EXACTLY the situation you are dealing with. Your mainboard will clock at FSB200, and yet is only rated to handle DDR333 RAM. Soooooooo .. . . changing the RAM settings on your mainboard will do no good. Your DDR400 RAM is timed at DDR333 speed, because that is the fastest RAM setting that your mainboard was DESIGNED to accept. But the main problem is that your CPU has been misidentified by the BIOS. According to Biostar, the 3300+ Sempron is the fastest Sempron processor that your mainboard will support. The problem is, your mainboard is NOT currently supporting it. Clock speed on that processor should be 2GHz. As the FSB is 200MHz, this means your multiplier is 10. If the FSB was wrong, your CPU should be showing up as a 1.6GHZ processor or 1.7GHz processor. But if it is showing up as a 1.1GHz processor, then I'm betting both the FSB and multiplier are wrong, in your mainboard's BIOS settings. First thing you need to do is to flash your BIOS to a later version. And when I went to find an updated BIOS for your board, I discovered that the latest BIOS version was released SPECIFICALLY to add support for the Sempron 3300 processor: http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdownloa...el=M7NCG%20400 A BIOS flash is usually a last resort, as it can damage your mainboard if it fails. But in this case, it appears you have no choice. Before you do anything, prepare yourself a DOS bootable floppy. If you need one go to www.bootdisk.com. But it appears that Biostar boards might be able to update their BIOS from within BIOS, possibly. So you might not need it. Good luck, -Dave |
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Biostar M7NCG 400 MoBo wAMD3300_any Ngroup for help
Hello "Mike T." & or Dave; This morning I changed the 400MHz stick of 1GB RAM for a 256 MB of DDR 333. Lo and Behold ! it booted fine & the Sys Properties Device Manager showed it as the correct AMD Sempron 3300+ @ 2.19 & 2.21 Mhz w/ 224 MB of RAM. NOTE:: the BIOS V6.00 400 ,,,NCG1221 BF 400 is on the Award's splash screen with DDR 333.. That is the one you suggested that I "Flash update" . I have a V7.2 . So the MoBo *will* read the chip correct, if settings are right, & it has the 333Mhz memory. I guess, my next move is to test changing some of the settings with the 400Mhz stick of RAM. Also I understand that I'm using the "Default" CPU RATIO settings. You mention that it must be now using x10=default in order to show the 200 FSB=400 FSB ratings? Is this where the OverClocking settings are located? The jumper is soldered over on the MoBo. What is the FSB Spread Spectrum [Disable-.50% or 100%] & The AGP Spread Specturm[ Disable- ..50%]?..They are set to DEFAULT now. Thanks for replies...Bud SPAM-KILLER- If you really want to contact me, then -budinflatcfldotrrdotcom That's wierd. There should be no problem running DDR400 RAM at DDR333 settings. In effect, you are running the RAM SLOWER than it was designed to run at. That should cause no problems (should be ultra-stable that way, in fact), although it is kind of a shame to run RAM slower than it CAN run. OK, I'm glad you got the system running OK. If you WANT to try the DDR400 RAM in it again, try the following settings in the BIOS: (I'm going to assume your RAM is CAS3 as I can't find the specs for it, even on the Ultra web site) RAM: SPD: DISABLE CL: (or CAS): 3 RAS to CAS (tRCD): 3 Row Precharge (tRP): 3 RAS Active (tRAS): 7 Frequency: 166MHz (this is DDR333, which is as fast as your mainboard can handle) Voltage: 2.5V or 2.6V (start at 2.5V) (The above is pretty conservative, even for DDR333, so DDR400 should work at those settings) CPU: You shouldn't have to touch these settings, if you disable the SPD on the RAM. BUT: FSB: 200MHz Multiplier: 10X Or just leave the default settings in here. If you get a setting in RAM that will not allow your computer to boot at all (unlikely, but . . .), just clear all CMOS settings by removing the battery and shorting the CLEAR CMOS jumper for a while. -Dave |
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