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Incredible shrinking cartridges
My old HP printer, a deskjet 970, had 41 ml ink cartridges. Very nice.
I was about to buy a HP Officejet 6310, when I noticed that the cartridge holds only 11 ml, the color cartridge 7 ml. I can't believe this. I thought office models would have larger cartridges. This is ridiculous! This speaks very poorly for HP. It looks like a rip-off. Does anyone known of an HP or Canon AIO that has better ink cartridges than this?? Thanks -- Walter www.rationality.net |
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"Walter R." wrote in message
: My old HP printer, a deskjet 970, had 41 ml ink cartridges. Very nice. I was about to buy a HP Officejet 6310, when I noticed that the cartridge holds only 11 ml, the color cartridge 7 ml. I can't believe this. I thought office models would have larger cartridges. This is ridiculous! This speaks very poorly for HP. It looks like a rip-off. Does anyone known of an HP or Canon AIO that has better ink cartridges than this?? The ml capacity of the cartridges is only part of the story, as recent printers have better pages per ml due to better print model and darker inks. The Deskjet 6980 printer uses cartridges that give comparable prints per cartridge as the Deskjet 970. In general you can find page yield information for recent HP models at http://www.hp.com/go/pageyield For all-in-one units the HP Officejet Pro series have generally higher page yields than the lower end consumer models. See the Officejet Pro L7500/L7600/L7700/L7800 series printers for examples. The standard cartridges have comparable yields to the #45 cartridge from your 970, while the XL versions of the cartridges have ~ 3X the yield (2450 pages from the black cartridge, 1700 pages composite from the individual color cartridges). As an added benefit of the times the Officejet Pro series printers may well cost significantly less than you paid for your Deskjet 970 a half decade ago. Regards, Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging |
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On 5 Apr, 07:45, "Bob Headrick" wrote:
"Walter R." wrote in message : My old HP printer, a deskjet 970, had 41 ml ink cartridges. Very nice. I was about to buy a HP Officejet 6310, when I noticed that the cartridge holds only 11 ml, the color cartridge 7 ml. I can't believe this. I thought office models would have larger cartridges. This is ridiculous! This speaks very poorly for HP. It looks like a rip-off. Does anyone known of an HP or Canon AIO that has better ink cartridges than this?? The ml capacity of the cartridges is only part of the story, as recent printers have better pages per ml due to better print model and darker inks. *The Deskjet 6980 printer uses cartridges that give comparable prints per cartridge as the Deskjet 970. *In general you can find page yield information for recent HP models athttp://www.hp.com/go/pageyield For all-in-one units the HP Officejet Pro series have generally higher page yields than the lower end consumer models. *See the Officejet Pro L7500/L7600/L7700/L7800 series printers for examples. *The standard cartridges have comparable yields to the #45 cartridge from your 970, while the XL versions of the cartridges have ~ 3X the yield (2450 pages from the black cartridge, 1700 pages composite from the individual color cartridges). As an added benefit of the times the Officejet Pro series printers may well cost significantly less than you paid for your Deskjet 970 a half decade ago. Regards, Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging Part of printer manufacturers strategy is to ship new models with small ink cartridges to achieve a low selling price, but replacements will be normal capacity. |
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On Apr 4, 10:16*am, "Walter R." wrote:
My old HP printer, a deskjet 970, had 41 ml ink cartridges. Very nice. I was about to buy a HP Officejet 6310, when I noticed that the cartridge holds only 11 ml, the color cartridge 7 ml. I can't believe this. I thought office models would have larger cartridges. This is ridiculous! Keep in mind that you need to look at the page yield above raw volume. HP has actually gotten MUCH better about getting more yield per volume than Canon. http://h10060.www1.hp.com/pageyield/...300/index.html HP 98 Black Inkjet Print Cartridge 420 standard pages $23.99 5.7c/ page 5.7c/page is on the high side of things. http://h10060.www1.hp.com/pageyield/...400/index.html HP 564XL Black Ink Cartridge 800 standard pages $22.99 2.8c/page As Bob Headrick suggests the OfficeJet Pro series are actually more geared for high volume users, as in larger volume & yield cartridges at a lower price per page. I describe them as double the price but triple the yield. http://h10060.www1.hp.com/pageyield/.../28-564XL.html http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...sku=CC335A#ABA It looks like you can get the HP Officejet 6310 for $80 from amazon.com. The HP Photosmart Premium Fax All-in-One Printer CC335a is $255 from the same source. Difference of $175 For black it looks like it costs about $72.50 extra per 250 pages over the CC335a. You'd make back the difference after about 6000 pages on this model. The Officejet pro L7500 costs $200 from amazon.com. The #88 black is $35 with an estimated page yield of 2450 or 1.4c/page. Price difference of $120 over the 6310 but you'd save $107.50 per 2500 pages and would break even at about 3000 pages or so. I'm not making a recommendation here, only pointing out the raw prices. As a good rule of thumb if you find a unit for a very low price the cost to operate could be high. 70 5.7c 2.8c |
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On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 06:45:17 +0000, Bob Headrick wrote:
"Walter R." wrote in message : My old HP printer, a deskjet 970, had 41 ml ink cartridges. Very nice. I was about to buy a HP Officejet 6310, when I noticed that the cartridge holds only 11 ml, the color cartridge 7 ml. I can't believe this. I thought office models would have larger cartridges. This is ridiculous! This speaks very poorly for HP. It looks like a rip-off. Does anyone known of an HP or Canon AIO that has better ink cartridges than this?? The ml capacity of the cartridges is only part of the story, as recent printers have better pages per ml due to better print model and darker inks. The Deskjet 6980 printer uses cartridges that give comparable prints per cartridge as the Deskjet 970. In general you can find page yield information for recent HP models at http://www.hp.com/go/pageyield And all of this corporate jargon is coming from a retired HP Employee that really knows how to sing the party line. For all-in-one units the HP Officejet Pro series have generally higher page yields than the lower end consumer models. See the Officejet Pro L7500/L7600/L7700/L7800 series printers for examples. The standard cartridges have comparable yields to the #45 cartridge from your 970, while the XL versions of the cartridges have ~ 3X the yield (2450 pages from the black cartridge, 1700 pages composite from the individual color cartridges). As an added benefit of the times the Officejet Pro series printers may well cost significantly less than you paid for your Deskjet 970 a half decade ago. Regards, Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging |
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measekite wrote:
And all of this corporate jargon is coming from a retired HP Employee that really knows how to sing the party line. --------------------------------------------- You are an idiot moron POS oem ink drinking loser! Get lost asshole and don't bother coming back. |
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On Apr 5, 10:32*am, measekite wrote:
And all of this corporate jargon is coming from a retired HP Employee that really knows how to sing the party line. What's the party line? Pay attention to the page yields. Officejet Pro printers cost as much or less than consumer models bought in 2000? Current models offer better ml/page than older models (#45). Could be a conspiracy but it's also true. |
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I concur with those that believe the cartridges and/or their contents are shrinking. I have had many HP printers over the years and I have noted the less then gradual drop in the number of pages I'm getting from each model. I now have an HP C5550 and it is the worst. I don't have an exact count but it seems like I didn't get much more then 100 pages before running out of ink. I replaced the 74 and 75 cartridges (that shipped with the printer) when they ran out and had the same results with the second set (74/75). Yesterday I bought 74XL and 75XL cartridges (2 packs of each totalling $144) that claim to get 3X (compared to 74 and 75). I was surprised to find that the 75XL cartridge was exactly the same size as the 75 cartridge. That confirms it. I just paid for a full cartridge as apposed to a 1/3 full cartridge last time. I am very perturbed. The 74XL cartridge is about 30% bigger then then 74 cartridge (not 3x bigger). I believe we are being ripped off in the name of profit margin. http://tinyurl.com/onwyu2 +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Filename: P5158769_smaller.JPG | |Download: /attachment.php?attachmentid=27 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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