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Is ddr2 worth the extra cost?
I'm torn between two socket system from AMD.
My initial system upgrade is : 1) AMD Athlon 64 3500 (socket 939 venice) 2) Asus A8N-E nForce4 Ultra * mobo* 3)ASUS Extreme N6600 Silencer GeForce 6600 PCI Express 256Mb 4)DDR400 PC3200 (Cosair or Kingston) CL2 Total cost ~ $364.00 My second option system upgrade: 1) AMD Athlon 64 3800 (socket AM2 orleans) 2) Asus M2N-E nforce 570 Ultra 3)ASUS Extreme N6600 Silencer GeForce 6600 PCI Express 256Mb 4)Cosair DDR2-800 PC 6400 CL5 Tolal cost ~ $415.00 The thing that's confusing me is DDR2 memory. I've read that it's not that much faster than DDR1; depending on the cpu's clock speed. DDR2 starts to outperform DDR1 at higher speeds, 2.4Ghz. The high latency of DDR2 make me wonder. |
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Is ddr2 worth the extra cost?
If you don't own a socket 939 system already, then AM2 is the best way to go
as this leaves you able to upgrade further as AM2 matures. Since I already own a 939 system and AM2 offers no significant advantage(yet) over 939, plus the fact I already dished out $350 for 2 gigs of ram, I don't intend to switch so that I have to spend another $450 on DDR2 stuff. From what I've read, my opinion is if you alredy have a 939 system,(and a decent motherboard) might as well hang on to it until AM2 offers a significant and noticable improvement, or AMD switches to DDR3 and another new socket type. -------------------------------------- Sapphire X1600 Pro 512mb AGP MSI Theater 550Pro TV Tuner Thermaltake LanFire Midtower(4X80mm fans),Antec 550 Watt PSU Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939 nForce3, A64 3500+, Stock Cooler IdleTemp 28 C 2 Gb Dual Channel PC3200 OCZ Platinum 2-3-2-5 CL2.5 Viewsonic A91f 19in Moniter 2XSATA WD 320gb Raid Edition, PATA WD 120Gb HD Pioneer 110D Dual Layer burner Logitech MX 310 Optical Mouse Microsoft Sidewinder Precision 2 Joystick Microsoft ergonomic keyboard Cheap computer speakers with Sennheiser HD 477 Headphones 3DMark05Free-Overall-3134 1024X768, 4XAA/8XAF 6.4Drivers Cpu - 4405 3Dmark2001 - 8702 4XAA/8XAF 1280X1024 Games I'm Playing- IL-2 Sturmovick Series Empire Earth 2, Need For Speed: Underground 2, Civ IV, Warhammer 40,000 Gold "RDN" wrote in message ... I'm torn between two socket system from AMD. My initial system upgrade is : 1) AMD Athlon 64 3500 (socket 939 venice) 2) Asus A8N-E nForce4 Ultra * mobo* 3)ASUS Extreme N6600 Silencer GeForce 6600 PCI Express 256Mb 4)DDR400 PC3200 (Cosair or Kingston) CL2 Total cost ~ $364.00 My second option system upgrade: 1) AMD Athlon 64 3800 (socket AM2 orleans) 2) Asus M2N-E nforce 570 Ultra 3)ASUS Extreme N6600 Silencer GeForce 6600 PCI Express 256Mb 4)Cosair DDR2-800 PC 6400 CL5 Tolal cost ~ $415.00 The thing that's confusing me is DDR2 memory. I've read that it's not that much faster than DDR1; depending on the cpu's clock speed. DDR2 starts to outperform DDR1 at higher speeds, 2.4Ghz. The high latency of DDR2 make me wonder. |
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Is ddr2 worth the extra cost?
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:08:27 -0400, RDN wrote:
I'm torn between two socket system from AMD. My initial system upgrade is : 1) AMD Athlon 64 3500 (socket 939 venice) 2) Asus A8N-E nForce4 Ultra * mobo* 3)ASUS Extreme N6600 Silencer GeForce 6600 PCI Express 256Mb 4)DDR400 PC3200 (Cosair or Kingston) CL2 Total cost ~ $364.00 My second option system upgrade: 1) AMD Athlon 64 3800 (socket AM2 orleans) 2) Asus M2N-E nforce 570 Ultra 3)ASUS Extreme N6600 Silencer GeForce 6600 PCI Express 256Mb 4)Cosair DDR2-800 PC 6400 CL5 Tolal cost ~ $415.00 The thing that's confusing me is DDR2 memory. I've read that it's not that much faster than DDR1; depending on the cpu's clock speed. DDR2 starts to outperform DDR1 at higher speeds, 2.4Ghz. The high latency of DDR2 make me wonder. The advantage of DDR2 is that you can buy 2G DDR2 DIMMs while the biggest DDR DIMMs are only 1G. This allows you to have 8G on an AM2, the 939s are limited to 4G. Aside from that there aren't any performance differences. The other advantage of AM2 is that there is a upgrade path, the 939s are dead end, all new A64s will be AM2. Before you make any decision you should wait for the Conroes to come out in a couple of weeks. All indications are that the Conroes will be faster then the A64s. However AMD is adjusting their prices to reflect that, so that you should be able to buy an equivalent AMD system for an equivalent price except at the high end where there will be no equivalent AMDs. At the lower end you'll probably be better off with an AMD because the processors are mature. The NForce 5s almost certainly are just tweeked Nforce4s so they are less likely to have bugs then the new Intel chipsets. |
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Is ddr2 worth the extra cost?
RDN wrote:
" I'm torn between two socket system from AMD. " Your socket 939 combination costs $364.00. Your socket AM2 combination costs $415.00. Isn't the "extra cost" because you've actually chosen a faster CPU with the socket AM2 setup? 939 Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz 512KB AM2 Athlon 64 3800+ 2.4GHz 512KB Go with AM2. You'll have a higher upgrade path. Even if you don't upgrade the processor on the AM2 motherboard, you'll still have the DDR2 for the future. If the small extra expense is pushing your limit, then why not go with an AM2 Athlon 64 3500+ ? There's an awful lot to choose from on socket AM2: AM2 Sempron 64 2800+ 1.6GHz 128KB Manila AM2 Sempron 64 3000+ 1.6GHz 256KB Manila AM2 Sempron 64 3200+ 1.8GHz 128KB Manila AM2 Sempron 64 3400+ 1.8GHz 256KB Manila AM2 Sempron 64 3500+ 2.0GHz 128KB Manila AM2 Sempron 64 3600+ 2.0GHz 256KB Manila AM2 Athlon 64 3000+ 1.8GHz 512KB Orleans AM2 Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz 512KB Orleans AM2 Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz 512KB Orleans AM2 Athlon 64 3800+ 2.4GHz 512KB Orleans AM2 Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0GHz 512KB Windsor AM2 Athlon 64 X2 4000+ 2.0GHz 1024KB Windsor AM2 Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2GHz 512KB Windsor AM2 Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2.2GHz 1024KB Windsor AM2 Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz 512KB Windsor AM2 Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2.4GHz 1024KB Windsor AM2 Athlon 64 X2 5000+ 2.6GHz 512KB Windsor AMD Athlon 64 FX62 2.8GHz 1024KB Windsor That's 18 CPUs available for AM2 and the socket's only been around a few weeks, although production of the 1024KB X2 processors is already being phased out. |
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Is ddr2 worth the extra cost?
"Cuzman" wrote in message
... RDN wrote: " I'm torn between two socket system from AMD. " Your socket 939 combination costs $364.00. Your socket AM2 combination costs $415.00. Isn't the "extra cost" because you've actually chosen a faster CPU with the socket AM2 setup? 939 Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz 512KB AM2 Athlon 64 3800+ 2.4GHz 512KB Yes But also : The memory DDR1-400 to DDR2-800 $ 12 more Motherboard nVidia GeForce 4 to GeForce 570 $ 8 more My concern was with the latency of DDR2 memory. I just may get the AM2 system (after July 24th) and hope DRAM manufact. will some day improve on the memory chip latency. Thanx |
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RDN wrote:
" My concern was with the latency of DDR2 memory. I just may get the AM2 system (after July 24th) and hope DRAM manufact. will some day improve on the memory chip latency. " You might find these an interesting read then. http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...2-800-am2.html http://www.legendmemory.com/modules....cle&sid= 2309 http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...dr2-ddr_5.html |
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