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SSD - is it worth the extra?
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Just a quick question. I am considering going to SSD. I am not that familiar with the ins and outs of SSD vs. regular HDD but do you think SSD is worth the extra outlay? Thanks |
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SSD - is it worth the extra?
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 10:53:52 -0500, Melmail_9494 wrote:
Just a quick question. I am considering going to SSD. I am not that familiar with the ins and outs of SSD vs. regular HDD but do you think SSD is worth the extra outlay? Yes! Certainly if you install your OS on the SSD. -- s|b |
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Melmail_9494 wrote:
Hi guys, Just a quick question. I am considering going to SSD. I am not that familiar with the ins and outs of SSD vs. regular HDD but do you think SSD is worth the extra outlay? Thanks Win7 to Win10 = worth it Older OS = not really worth it (older OS don't make wasteful disk usage like new OSes do) Windows 10 is always scanning stuff, so an SSD makes it perform more as intended. Using Windows 10 with a hard drive, makes it "seem slow". Windows 7 through Windows 10 have partitions aligned on 1 megabyte boundaries. This is specifically to suit the arrangement of Flash chips on things like USB sticks or SSD flash drives. If you use Macrium ReflectFree for the cloning function from HDD to SSD, you can verify and fix the alignment for best flash-chip operation. (I formatted a disk using WinXP once, then installed Windows 7, and the alignment was wrong, and I fixed that alignment problem with Macrium during the clone to the SSD.) As for the "extra outlay of cash", that's a value judgment. If the computer uses a HDD, you will "eventually get your answer". Using a hard drive does not stop any of those OSes from working, you just have to wait a bit longer. It's the seek time of the HDD which is the issue, rather than the datarate alone. A modern HDD can do 200MB/sec, so the sustained data rate is "decent". But the seek time is 15 milliseconds or so, and modern Windows does a ton of tiny file reads when Windows Defender scans the disk. Or when the Search Indexer reads all the files, while generating an inverted search index file. Once the seek time is accounted for, the average HDD data rate is not remotely near to the 200MB/sec number. Whereas on an SSD, you get a bit better response. (Windows NTFS stack is the eventual bottleneck.) Even SSDs do not have perfect response on small 4KB files (because the files are smaller than the Flash page size). If you want perfect response, you'd use an Optane drive, which uses a different kind of Flash memory (it's byte-addressable). The cheapest useful one here is ~$1000. And the "2.5" form factor" looking items on here, have a connector your computer doesn't have. The PCIe cards are a better choice in the average computer room. No 4KB files would hold you back with one of those, and you'd win your CrystalDiskMark bar bet with it. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...0x-series.html "...chalcogenide flash" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_XPoint No, real people don't buy those. They're for Enterprise big bux usage. They even do memory caches using those cards. I haven't heard of any "gamer kiddies" using those :-) Just not worth it. But good CrystalDiskMark... Or you need to win "computer boot time contest". Who would not spend $1000 to be able to brag about their boot time ? Even my Windows 10 on SSD, doesn't boot particularly fast. No Tomshardware "10 second" boot times here, unfortunately. And if you dual boot Win10, even on an SSD, it's even slower. And unbearable on a hard drive. Sample usage in my computer room: Typing Machine Test Machine Win8.1 (HDD) Win10 (SSD) Win10 (SSD) Win10 Insider dual boot (SSD) Others (HDD) Scratch drive (SSD) [Currently Win7 and two Linux OS] Win8.1 (HDD) Win7 (HDD) Many other HDDs for backups, data As you can see, I don't have a lot of SSD drives here, but they're all busy. The SSDs are mainly for boot drives, but the scratch drive is used for some data-full projects. I sometimes tether the scratch SSD on a USB3 cable, for sneakernet transfers to the Typing Machine (the scratch drive is actually connected to this thing right now). My SSDs are low power, and the USB bus power is sufficient for them (as far as my power meter can tell me). There are some Kingston SSDs with higher peak power usage. https://www.startech.com/HDD/Adapter...P~USB3S2SAT3CB Paul |
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On 10/22/2019 10:53 AM, Melmail_9494 wrote:
Hi guys, Just a quick question. I am considering going to SSD. I am not that familiar with the ins and outs of SSD vs. regular HDD but do you think SSD is worth the extra outlay? Thanks Yes. Period. 1 TB for $115: https://www.amazon.com/Blue-NAND-1TB...dp/B073SBQMCX/ Lynn |
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SSD - is it worth the extra?
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/22/2019 10:53 AM, Melmail_9494 wrote: Hi guys, Just a quick question. I am considering going to SSD. I am not that familiar with the ins and outs of SSD vs. regular HDD but do you think SSD is worth the extra outlay? Thanks Yes. Period. 1 TB for $115: https://www.amazon.com/Blue-NAND-1TB...dp/B073SBQMCX/ I'm still waiting for cheaper prices for bigger sizes. 3.5" Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB HDD is $40 according to https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barra...FPK/ref=sr_1_3. https://www.amazon.com/Red-4TB-NAS-H...dp/B00EHBERSE/ for WD 4 TB HDD for $115. I'm a data hoarder. :/ -- Why is this old ant still sick daily and almost all day, but with a nasty allergy (leaks, sneezes, and itches)? No cold, flu like from the end of August, etc. Also, minor muscle pain in left nipple area. Dang old body! Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.ma.cx. Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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Melmail_9494 wrote:
Hi guys, Just a quick question. I am considering going to SSD. I am not that familiar with the ins and outs of SSD vs. regular HDD but do you think SSD is worth the extra outlay? Thanks What is your current hardware and software setup like? How much are you willing to spend? You could do just add a SSD with that HDD if you're a storage hoarder like me. -- Why is this old ant still sick daily and almost all day, but with a nasty allergy (leaks, sneezes, and itches)? No cold, flu like from the end of August, etc. Also, minor muscle pain in left nipple area. Dang old body! Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.ma.cx. Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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SSD - is it worth the extra?
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:46:33 -0500, Lynn McGuire
wrote: On 10/22/2019 10:53 AM, Melmail_9494 wrote: Hi guys, Just a quick question. I am considering going to SSD. I am not that familiar with the ins and outs of SSD vs. regular HDD but do you think SSD is worth the extra outlay? Thanks Yes. Period. 1 TB for $115: https://www.amazon.com/Blue-NAND-1TB...dp/B073SBQMCX/ Lynn What I'd expect may be found for $80 on a rainy-day sale. WD and Sandisk effectively market the same drive in apparent duplicity, although Sandisk may or not share the greater distinction for certain if a similar reticence to release published specifications for precise components that constitute their build;- WD and Sandisk operate much the same in a subsidiary capacity as do ASUS and ARock. Practically, which what a WD warranty may help to negate, speculatively, over what matter or manner may be a performance consideration to another brand with identical characteristics. Samsung would presently continue hold the best-test of all SSDs, needless to say. Perhaps at a marginal ten-percent additional allowance to mollify WD among others, notably Crucial MX5 models. Given a generality of SSD sizes, conjecturally, the net is considerable when accounting available operating system whereby to deploy it on. We're hardly so afar from the marginality of 2G OS from yesterday, by what liberal allowances account to a 20G OS, I tend doubt a LINUX REDHAT platform conceivably entails;- REDHAT and W10 being of course what computing actually means to an extant PC and its so-called revolutionary impetus: A standpoint given Pacific Rim manufacturers, at present, of motherboards and their "official" driver support/compliance policies. Which then in consequence opens a present state of hardware controller support at intersection to three types of so intended "silicon to mechanical" drive successions. The latest, such as form an AM4 socket platform, being not least an operational system dependency permitted thruputs of 5 or x6 faster, than our proposed WD/Sandisk capacity. One hardly to be seen for other than inane to consider from a SATA conjecture, were it not but for a theoretical juncture of Widest Comparability which nicely tailors itself to a loyal if not traditionally and quite niche *NIX crowd. Leaving, lastly, an immediacy of stratagem whereby best disparate technology meets: What benefits by a SSD are negated to older mechanical platters. Which indeed they do, disposed, as they are, to a ongoing reserve implemented best by a discretional capacity best to tactically deploy hardware resources. True, slapping a SSD upside and into a laptop for replacement of a mechanical device, may indeed permit the appointed reviewer obsequiously to declare to the world of reviewers his intent, as well, to have successfully reached satorical enlightenment. For all intents such a person then immediately derives by performance considerations per force and usual to such rites entitled to a "Cloned" conversion. But, that is not necessarily nor all there is about organization skills programs and their representational datum respectively, individualistically, and potentially, proceed from upon a premise to empirically derive measurable results from where advantage serves physical placement in arrays of differential platform storage mechanisms. |
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